AMT is actually an old technology from Europe or somewhere there. Some continental car are using this. But in Malaysia, not many cars has this technology. Finding parts and people who knows how to fix it might turns out to be a prominent problem few years down the road.

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Added on July 26, 2007, 2:51 pmForget the technology blah..blah. It's irrelevant. Why does people want to drive auto? Because it's easy and no clutch, good for especially lady drivers.

What's the purpose of having AMT? So simulate the same benefits of an auto transmission without the clutch and make it easy for the ladies....wtihout a real auto-transmission. U go to any proton showroom and see how the salesperson tries to market this thing to you.

Will they tell u it's semi-automaic blah blah, please refer to wikipedia yadda yadda or will they tell you "this car can drive auto and manual!!"??


They'll also conveniently forget to tell u it'll jerks if u try to drive it like an auto and u have to treat it like a manual...
Which defeats the whole purpose anyway.

Seriously, i see AMT as pointless, unless cost wise it can be cheaper than auto significantly or maintenance wise is cheaper than reconditioning an auto box (RM2K easily for a car like Wira...more expensive for imported cars...KIA Sephia cost RM4K to recond the damn autogear box), there's really no purpose. People who craves to drive will prefer manual...i mean what sissy will wanna drive a car with no clutch?? (just ask hypermount. )

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 26 2007, 02:58 PM

Let's just say MOST ladies would prefer an auto. That's a very real fact. Heck, most people stuck in a jam would prefer an auto.

Yes, it's fuel efficient like an MT...which i think is the only good selling point. But it's simply not worth it to take the risk with oddball tech which not many people knows how to fix or god knows when the parts will become extinct or available next.

The Engine and AMT is still sourced from France according to P1 salesman.

I keep to my stance it DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE of having an easy drive like an auto but you have to drive it like a manual to avoid the jerks.

If you're willing to pay a bomb when it broke, by all means, go ahead. For me, i'll avoid potential stink bomb whenever possible. Just give me a manual car or give me a real auto. Btw, how come they don't fix a real auto in Savvy??

ha...ha...the anti-DVVT fella who kena ownzed for his lousy CAMPRO FC is back already.


At least i evaluate the products on a fair basis based on my needs....unlike blind fanboy who's so jealous his CAMPRO tadak DVVT, tadak VIMS, tadak CPS, tadak nothing...

Bash all you want. I'm having fun evaluating and reseraching the cars.

And please try not to pirate other people's style of writing by ending with a "you know who u are". Run out of oriiginal ideas ar?? LOL.

Which i agreed. So?? I never said DVVT got more power than Campro.

Mr. Anti-DVVT still kena pawned for his arrogance and ignorance, which is all that matters.

Well, who's the smart aleck who challenge DVVT with ur miserable Campro FC in the first place?

Who's the annoying b****td who post nothing but anti-DVVT in nearly every post?

If not jealous, apa lagi??

Ownzed again.

Typical-lar...people like that wan...jealous mar...talk bad about something you don't have....then pretend not interested...ha-ha....typical moronic fanboy style.

Triple ownzed.

I think u better keep queit already or you'll need another id to hide ur face already.

I only pawn people who rightly deserved to get pawned.

Ok, let's get back to the Savvy review.



btw, been looking hi and low for more SAvvy reviews on the web...not a lot...always go back to same few.

Who's driving the new facelifted 07 version? Anybody plan to book a Savvy lite?

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 27 2007, 04:53 PM

Actually..Proton didn't make mistake...they just EMBEZLE LOADS OF $$$. As in all cases everywhere, whenever corruptions are abound, quality drops like fly.......why else do you think Korea got so many buildings and bridges collapsing (less nowadays, but last time a lot)??

And they do make loads of "mistake". Just have a very nice long talk with a P1 salesman today...told me loads of stories...including how they wasted money making the wrong type of showroom which can't be used properly to store cars, lax of security, and also build dunno what somewhere all bloody useless....but then again, this is all the cronies rice bowl...

Also told me how the Saga 27K can comes about...because they've contracts with tons of suppliers to produce the parts (cronies, cronies etc etc), they have a huge stockpile of Saga parts and thus negotiated with the gov to allow them to reduce the tax somemore to clear off all the junk parts to build more junk cars. Also told me that the material used for the SAGA frame is even worst than before...super milo tin.....so if u love ur family, DON'T BUY A 27k SAGA.

The P1 salesman really honest guy-lah...he even admited the main problem with Proton is quality. I told him if u said like that also, than i better cabut!!! LOL.

Anyway, today i hope i haven't done something regretablle...just booked a standard MT Savvy as a 2nd car!

I've tested Viva 850, Auto 1.0 and Manual 1.0, Savvy MT pre-facelift, Savvy FL AMT and Savvy FL MT over a period of 3 weeks or so.

My wife preferred a Viva but i really feel lousy paying 37K for a Manual 1.0 viva. In terms of power, it's decent enuff and clutch is very soft, steering super light...i think it's great for ladies driver. However, i just feel the quality overall doesn't justify the price...even premium model has worst interior than my Myvi premium. Also, driving a Viva is very similar experience as Myvi...except that it's an inferior one, with louder engine (low speed still ok, highway will probably louder)...seats looks cheaper, power lesser, size smaller...it's like a downgraded Myvi......and i suspect it'll feel floaty when going pass 100km/h on the highway like a Kancil... i seriously can't say i fall in love with the Viva no matter what the ad tells me (Love Viva...yadda yadda ...yuck!!)..

So in the end it's a Savvy manual for me...my wife can take the Myvi since i do more travelling...hopefully FC will be better than my Myvi and thus save some $$$ there.

I sure hope it don't gives me problem or i'll really kena from my wife..."See! I told you not to buy Plotong Sawi!!!"....fingers double crossed... ...must pray very hard...

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 29 2007, 04:08 PM

Kancil still ok ler...at 23k...but Viva are overpriced...if all the VIVA range off by 4K, then it's more acceptable.

Paying 44K for an auto "premium" that looks ridiculously and feels ridiculously cheap is nuts. VIVA premium should not exceed 40K....low end 24k...then it's considerable.
And Kancil 660 should be phase out like other kancil as well.

Good to hear... How many months is ur sis car??

My wife company's Iswara...power window KO in 1 month and all sorts of cranky problem...

Water stain?? Roof leaking?? Wooo....serious problem...

btw, i plan to demand a car wash on the Savvy when taking the car to check water leak....anybody done that when taking ur new car?

What's ur average FC in km/litre?

ha-ha...i thought water got inside and stain the car.

Anyway it's like that wan if u don't take care of your car paint...once dirty must wash quickly. If left under the sun to burn, will kena unwashable marks...

Last time my old Sephia kena mango juice as mango drop from the tree...cannot remove the stain at all.

Probably i didn't take care to wash it off immediately until i notice too late liao...

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Added on July 30, 2007, 9:40 ambtw, is it true that interest rate for Proton loan is fixed at 3.88%?? Can nego with bank ar? Any ideas?


This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 30 2007, 09:40 AM

RM10 for 80km, RM10=10/1.92=5.2 litre

80km/5.2litre=15.38km/l , which is quite good.

You rev kaw kaw or what?

I'm expecting at least 15km/l with the Savvy. Since i can achieve 13.x km with my Myvi, i think that is possible...otherwise gotta go SC complain already!!

Ha..ha...err...but i hope i don't have any issues to solve...i'm not car techie like you....i'm car idiot....

Since ur car already running on mineral previously, will it harm the engine if go synthetic? I understand from my previous mechanic that as the car gets older, no need to use full synthetic oil. I'm buying the 5 years warranty to be on the safe side, only extra RM2xx. Sure worth it.

Better change ur tyres ler...not safe already!!!

How much did u pay when u buy ur Savvy?? Or do you mean u pay RM28K for ur Savvy(2nd hand)?? The resale value of this car will sure be low...but i look at the bright side ler...it's only 3xK and won't be able to drop more than a KIA....LOL.

btw, is the cabin sound loud when doing > 100km/h? I think have only go max 60 km/h during test as it was jam on the LDP highway. Maybe need ur advice on padding and sound proofing if neccessary.

Hopefully, from what the P1 salesman told me, the SAGA and WIRA will be discontinue and the Savvy will represent the P1 low-end budget market. Seriously, WIRA makes no sense at 4xK when all the brand new Gen2 Sedan is at same price.

If like that hopefully the Savvy still can continue for another few years at least.

(PS: My old Sephia...power window 7 years zero problems....not a bad car....too bad it sucks petrol and a recond auto gearbox will cost me RM4K....i gave up and decided to buy a new car...quite sad really, still miss it. ).

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 30 2007, 06:03 PM

I was never bias to begin with, just pointing out the facts. Even P1 salesman tells me all the Proton problems. So P1 salesman is biased??

Just because i bought a Savvy doesn't means i've automatically have high regards for Proton. It just so happen for my budget and for my situation, i found the Savvy a more attractive option than the Viva.

Just hope i don't have regrets 3 years down the road...

Myvi is indeed worth praising. Why not? Loads of space, quiet engine, pick up power, decent FC, comfortable. I luv my Myvi!!!

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Added on July 30, 2007, 9:30 pmNo. The lite version...alarm pun tadak...

I took advantage of the 3K discount offer supposely ends this month (who knows...maybe next month Savvy got permanent price drop...u know Plotong lar)....so i bought the standard version at around 37K+, it's only about 3K+ more than the Savvy Lite.

Consider this...the Alloy rims ( 1K? Maybe can trade in ur Steel rims with Savvy Lite), Alarm (RM500?), 2 power windows (RM500? Not sure), spoiler (RM500?), nice color paint (RM2K!!! Lite only comes with crappy black and white), reverse sensor etc...maybe these items alone will cost ya 1.5k to 2k already at least even if u don't count the paint. Might as well get the full set and you can claim warranty if something goes haywire.

If there's no discount, i'll sure take the Savvy Lite coz RM7K is significant and i dun need that much to get the critical accesories.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 30 2007, 09:30 PM

Huh? What does that means?

Wah!! So cheap meh? Is there any conditions? Or is it only for civil servants?

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Added on August 2, 2007, 10:50 amJust called em....3.9% ler for 7 years.....higher than most which is 3.88%.


This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 2 2007, 10:50 AM

3.88% is for max 7 years. 9 years maybe 4.1% or higher.

btw, i read in classified that the discount for SAvvy(and a few other Proton) is now RM4K!!! WTF! I call up one of them to check and they confirm RM4K discount!!

I'm going to call another dealer and if confirm, i'm gonna bug my dealer to match the discount!!!!