When buy 2nd hand car...the condition of the car is more important than color. You pick the best condition car and can paint it purple if you like later.


btw, after driving the Savvy for 1 week plus...compared to Myvi...the pick up is not as good as Myvi 1.3. Myvi still rules supreme in pick up power and engine quietness. You don't have to rev as hard to get the same speed and Myvi just get there faster than the Savvy. Also, when going uphill with full load, i can feel the Myvi got loads of oomp raring to accelerate even at 5th gear when i hit over 60km/h. With full load and uphill, the Savvy can feel losing power and not accelerating unless i press the pedal hard.

Of course, handling Savvy rules supreme...have some fun in the hilly areas before you reach the Mall (dunno what u call that hill...can link to Bank Negara also)...turn left and right very quickly and laugh at the Iswara behind trying to keep up.

Current mileage is 500km++. Can book for 1st service already. Thanks for your offer , i'll see how it goes. Maybe i'll just ask those guys at SC to do it for me.

But i wouldn't wait until last bar...also last two bars very funny...blink when there's still 2 bars. I topped up the petrol and it fills up to about 26.xx litre.

Currently fill with V-Power, seems like getting a bit better mileage...i seriously think Shell Green sucks. Gonna fill with BHP on next refill.

Ha-ha...last night i simply close eyes and spray underneath the clutch there...i guess must have kena the spot. This morning no squeaking sound already. I hope i didn't spray anything else i'm not suppose to spray....

Now i also noticed something...a screw or bolt behind the front disc break looks rusty!!! Do you spot any rusty bolts behind your disc brake? WTH....new car already got rusty bolts!

Well, it's not a big problem, but i'll mentioned it during 1st service. Make em change my bolt!! I wonder if this is cover under anti-rust warranty?

My Myvi also got some rust at door hinge...going to fix to complain that to P2 SC as well.

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Added on August 28, 2007, 8:13 pmYep, no need liao. Thanks anyway.

I'll update the FC again when this tank of V-POWER finishes.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 28 2007, 08:13 PM

You should have stopped and ask her for 4D number....then share with us mah!!!!

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Added on August 29, 2007, 9:10 amGonna go for 1st service soon.

I'm thinking of using synthetic oil straight away....or should i start with semi first? How much is Ploton charging for full-synth oil? I'm thinking to buy my own oil and take there.

Any savvy owners here using full-synth??

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 29 2007, 09:10 AM

Called my SA today and asked him whether can bring my own oil to use. He says "can", but advise to talk to the SC advisor when i'm there. AFAIK, the manual only says must meet the 10W/30 SJ standard or void warranty. As long my oil can meet this standard, should be ok right?

But i'm wondering if they'll blame...next time if ignition coil rosak also blame my own oil......hmmm...it's much cheaper to get full synth oil outside than Plotong...

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Added on August 29, 2007, 5:44 pmYou mean 2000km or 2km???

Now you pscyhe me into getting the AMSOIL...the petronas oil seems too thick and doesn't have 10W/30 for full synth (only 10W/40)....or maybe i go ENEOS shopping...but if SC reject my oil, then i would have waste $$$..

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 29 2007, 05:44 PM

How much is the ELF full synth? 10W/30??

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Added on August 29, 2007, 8:29 pmYep, at least for first 2 years...after that if not much problem, then just go outside. If u don't go back SC, anything major you can't claim...

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 29 2007, 08:29 PM

but the full synth 10W-50 is too thick ler. Good for bigger CC engine, but i don't think cars below 1.3cc is suitable.

Anyway, i think there's 10W-30 for Synthium 800 also, maybe i just use this for 1st service and see how it goes.

Latest FC update:

Last tank of V-POWER gives me 14.58km/l. Not too bad, considering only 2nd tank and not even 1st service yet. Today pumped BHP.....i wonder if it'll gives the same mileage as V-POWER?

Well, i hope i can hit 16km/l after 1st service...

Ha..ha lousy SA. You can try my SA. He give good service even after sales(even offered to arrange to fetch me back to office when i go for 1st service ). PM me if interested.

Anyway, just to clarify:
(1) the 36/37K savvy IS standard Savvy. This is after the discounted price.

(2) The SA knows nuts. All Savvy has power steering...hydraulic power steering to be exact...it's not the typical electric power steering. Yes, it does feels heavier but actually there's pros and cons. Heavy steering will feel steady when driving at high speed while light steering will be twitchy at high speed. With the handling capability of the Savvy, a heavier steering is better suited. If you want to know what no power steering means, test drive a VIVA 850/660 and try to turn from stationery position (etc: traffic light stop).

(3) Underpower? What are you comparing against? 1.5 or 1.6 car? This is a 1.15cc car (yes, it's not 1.2..only 1149cc..Proton lied), so cannot expect too much. Still, I can safely say it's more powerful than all the VIVAs i've tested. But it definitely lose out to Myvi 1.3 in terms of fast pick up. (but also cheaper by 6k to 7k)....or maybe the car just no fuel...so no power lor!!!

As for zero fuel...wat to do...idiot SA...no cure.

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Added on September 8, 2007, 6:28 pmIs that the "Genetic Silver"? I think the Genetic Silver sucks...

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SerenaYap: Oopss....you said 36k AMT Savvy..which means Savvy Lite...of course not the same as standard Savvy!!



This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 8 2007, 07:11 PM

That's exxagerated. I'll say it's about 6 to 7K per year. Look at the bright side, a Gen 2 and Waja already lose about 30k and worth half the price after 3 years or so....Savvy is only 30k++++.....how much more can you lose?

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Added on September 9, 2007, 5:29 pmI drive both. Myvi 1.3 wins in power and pick up, no doubt. Myvi can reach RPM and speed faster without needing to push hard and engine sounds much quieter. But Savvy is decent enough. When you pick up speed, it can trounce most, if not all 1.0 cars easily.

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Added on September 9, 2007, 5:37 pmWhich 1.0 u drive? If you talk about P2 cars, i think most, if not all 1.0 variants are 3 cylinder engine. I dunno about u, but i just hate 3 cylinders...engine sounds very stressed and the whole car just feels like loud and can't describe it...like motorcycle....

Try to go at least 60km/h at windy roads with many turns and you'll appreciate the difference between the Savvy and most other small cars.

But if you like more power, i think u should consider Myvi 1.3 instead....everytime i drive Myvi, i just like accelerate and overtake everyone...LOL...so i let wife drive Myvi instead....too dangerous for me!

Or maybe should test drive Persona 1.6 @45k (if you're not worried about FC).

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 9 2007, 05:45 PM

Fuiyo...ur SA super idiot. Savvy runs on Renault DF4 engine...4 cylinders and 16valves. Maybe he told you the Savvy runs on Kancil engine also!!!

http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?pa...tion=view&id=28

You should also try driving the manual version. But from my experience, there is very little difference between MT and AMT (unless you rev higher with MT).

Also, bear in mind, Savvy is much heavier at 950kg...also much safer and sturdier than a Kelisa or Kancil. I drive Kelisa before and yes it has good pick-up, but you can't run at high speed without feeling floaty and when you have full load going uphill, i think the Savvy will be a tad better.

Anyway, what's ur budget for ur new car?

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Added on September 10, 2007, 2:18 pmMajor damage??

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Added on September 10, 2007, 2:24 pmThis sound serious, better send back to SC and complain like hell......this sucks....does it happens almost everytime now?

Now my car got some noise...like plastic vibration...not sure where...it happens on and off. Still bearable at the moment and it isn't that loud, but annoying enough.....but really dissapointed with the quality....i don't have a single problem with my Myvi after 6 months, no noise, no weird vibration......P2 owns Ploton anyday in quality. Well, at least lucky for me, none of the problems are major........




This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 10 2007, 02:42 PM

Well, count yourself one of the few lucky Proton owners. Reach the sounds easily to eliminate problems?? Even SC can't solve it. Maybe you should apply a job at Proton SC. I'm sure you'll do a better job then them.

And i pity blind fan boys who can't take an honest comment. So much for "An "Honest" Review of the Savvy".

Good comments=Honest. Bad comments=whining.

Grow up.

Hey not me. I'm waiting for scapegoat to test out the Persona and might even buy one after 2 years...just like i did for Myvi and Savvy. LOL.
Anyway, we all know who's the champion fanboy in Fast and Furious...the one that can't speak properly and goes pufrtt all over the web like gigi sudah tercabut...LOL.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 3:34 pmMarketing lah.....where can go 23.7Km/l or 26.2km/l under normal city driving. Those are very optimised figure...they probably drive like that guy in the Digi or Maxis ad...stop car engine roll downhill...start car engine go uphill....LOL.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 3:47 pmThanks dude. And i haven't even start an actual review of the Savvy coz i don't think it's fair to make comments on things like FC becoz car is still new and haven't burn in properly.

Still waiting for 1 tank of BHP to finish up after 1st service. But can feel engine is smoother after 1st service.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 3:49 pmThank you!!

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 11 2007, 03:52 PM

There should be no charge for complain on defects, if they charge screw them kaw-kaw and threaten to write to media or say your father is the Star editor...LOL. But if it's not to loud or not too scary, you might wanna wait coz sending ur car to SC is a waste of time. I'll rather spend time doing something else.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 4:02 pmAbout RM87.xx. Changed engine oil (Mach5), sealant ring, oil filter and viper washing liquid.

When u go for 1st service, tell them u want to use semi-synth oil and see what kinda response they give u, probably a different story from mine.

Btw, Proton-I-don't-give-a-fcuk still haven't reply to my enquiries regarding whether how semi-synth oil can void engine warranty. I'll give them one week before i take further actions...cannot let them go so easily.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 4:18 pmPersonally, i think you're decent person going by the heaps of info you contribute at savoc (unlike that OTHER guy who does nothing but PRRFFFT), but your attitude is all wrong. This is not about being treated like a King. This is about CONSUMER POWER. Cars don't come cheap for Malaysian and it's this "tidak apa attitude" that makes Malaysia such a sucky unforward moving country...no point having 1st world infra when we've 3rd world mentality.

An indian friend (from India) once told me someone there sues the soap company becoz the soap didn't meet the specs in weight...and won.

I would also like to share some experience with you about being really treated like kings....i was in Denmark, Copenhagen (the city frankly looks lau-yah and nothing compared to the mega structures in KL). The flight was delayed that night and we were promptly whisked away by the flight steward to get some traveller packs, taxi coupons and send us to a nice hotel for another free night stay at ZERO cost (and i even used the hotel facility to surf web and send e-mails from my room which is chargeable).. The next morning, after a nice hefty buffet breakfast, we're whisked away in cabs using the coupons given to send us to the airport. And i wasn't even flying business class. If i'm stuck at KLIA due to a flight delay, i really doubt i can expect the same such service from MAS.

So do you want to be treat like kings or treat like dirt?? So you want to take it all because "biasa-lah, Proton bang!!" or do you want to make a change to be treated like a king?? Your call.

btw, remember to vote for the Opposition and make a change!!!


This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 11 2007, 04:18 PM

Also forgot to mention, CITY is what...40K more expensive??

Let's see, that means you save 1cents per km with City over Savvy( 7cents/km to 8 cents/km)...say u travel 25,000km a year..that makes..25,000 x 1 cents=RM250/year. So, say you use the car for 10 years...that saves you a grand total of RM2500...in 10 YEARS.

If you put 40k in bank at 3% interest per annum, by the end of 10 years, you get RM52,190.

Err...which option do you think is more $$$ saving?

Not that i'm saying Honda City is bad...but comparing this too is just way out of league. Of course, if you're going to buy a car in almost same price range as Honda City ( say a Waja at 6xk, or a VIOS around the same price), then the FC saving of the City will plays a very important factor.(btw, i do like the City very much....in fact, much more than a VIOS or all the Proton Sedans).

Anyway, unless you're a frequent highway traveller, the savings is also much less...I don't see any real Savvy owners can even achieve close to those figures. So far my Savvy is around 14km/l...which i consider quite good for city driving already....hopefully it'll improve after a few more thousand km as the car is still new.

I don't think it's the knob...sounds more like plastic or maybe windows?? It doesn't always happen though, i think at low gears more like likely, after car is smooth and at maybe > 70km/h, i don't hear it. I think it happens more often when i accelerate and change gear at low speed (gear 1 to 3).

Still i'll just check out the knob just in case....knob looks sturdy and solid though...

Maybe find a dog...anyone wants to borrow me his dog??

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Added on September 11, 2007, 9:54 pmYeah...heard loads of this jerking crap issue. Mostly due to TB dirty...if not must be one of the sensors...TDC, O2, and a few other sensors. I sure hope i won;t have to face it...

I believe u refer to the ignition coil. That's a common problem with Savvy....should cost around RM380. But i got 5 years warranty...

I think u should warm up ur engine at least 30 seconds every morning before u move the car. Also, leaving a car long while without using is bad...your friend should change the oil even before it's interval because it should be 3 months or 5000km interval (or 6 months or 10000km interval)....since the car is not used much, must change the oil even if the mileage interval is not reached.

My myvi haven't use for 3 days (over 2 very cold rainy days) and i have problem starting it on 3rd day.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 11 2007, 09:54 PM

Thanks for sharing. I haven't been stranded in KLIA before with MAS, so i dunno lar...anyway, the point is, we should expect the same good service whether it's an airplane or a car manufacturer. We pay the dough, we are the customer and customer is always right.

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Added on September 12, 2007, 3:59 pmWhy get agitated so easily, just discussion only.....nothing personal dude.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 12 2007, 03:59 PM

Haiya...pm me to get my Proton SA contact ler...very nice guy...my P2 SA on the other hand is average only...no after sales service at all.

I think it's not a good criteria to make a decision to buy a car just because of a bad SA (but no doubt, it does leave a very bad taste and impression). I've actually been to a few Proton showroom, tried about 4 or 5 savvys and deal with different SA before i pick to buy from my current Proton SA coz i think he's honest enuff and knowledgable enuff.

Anyway, i don't get much free stuff with my Myvi either...if u go dealer, then can haggle more, branch is usually very standard stuff. Try to see if they can give you full free service voucher for first 2 service, if not, try to haggle for additional free service(labor) coupon.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 15 2007, 09:15 AM