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davidke20
post Jul 9 2013, 08:40 PM

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Engine oil talk

Fubar20 TitanRev

I know you guys have your idea on how motor oil benefit the car. Here's my piece to chip in despite I'm not particular and have very little knowledge on engine oil. I've been driving several years, changing engine oil almost every 3 month, sometimes twice when I hit 3000 miles too soon. Due to cost of motor oil start increasing, I found I'm paying more and more on the vehicle maintenance, so I start to dig more info from magician. Helping to overhaul engine benefit the most in terms of technical knowledge and understand how motor oil affect engine performance.

Rule of thumb, buy engine oil with API stamp. Here's a link, please download and print a copy put inside your car. The next time when you wanna purchase motor oil, make sure you read the ratings whether its SN/SJ/SM/SL.

http://www.api.org/certifications/engineoi...2010_120210.pdf

With API ratings, you'll get an idea how these engine oil comply to your power unit. Your motor vehicle rely on the chemical inside the motor oil to survive friction. The viscosity only meant very little, but the API rating worth the most. Hence, when you use cap ayam motor oil, despite they put down 10w60, that does not mean the molecule can stand your car's 10.1:1 compressrion ratio with 400'c extreme heat during the ignition. Be it 10w100, it doesn't make any difference when the oil being channeled into the combustion chamber.

However, don't take my word as a whole. The viscosity does yield it's importance. For instance 10w40 multi-visco simply means 10 comes suffixed with W, meaning WINTER(not weight/watt as claim by others) for cold start viscosity. The 40 after W is hot viscosity. The front winter denote has lower figure, meaning the liquid has lower "beku" point. Sorry ran out of vocabulary. The hot visco higher denote a higher boiling point. You don't want oil to boil, just like your mommy cooking in the kitchen.

I've seen many horrible incident's while helping customer to do engine overhauling. Unsurprisingly, most of them having problem with their motor, they tend to miss their oil change quite often, sometimes up to few years did not change oil at all. Before dismantle an engine for overhaul, as I loosen the oil sum nut, I'll be extremely careful to not let oil spill on my hand. These burnt oil can irritate my skin and cause allergy. However, most of the time after the sum nut being pull off, there aren't any oil drip out. Even if there is, very little and very thick. Got once we unable to drain anything out from the sum, because those oil already turned grease. Can imagine how not to jammed the pistons?

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Thinner hot viscosity oil does not mean you have less chance building up sludge, infact it's the opposite. Otften I ask magician why not fully synthetic as those expansive oil usually added cleaning agent, can last up to 6000 miles. The answer is simple, recycle the same oil in the engine can only make those oil turn into sludge. Debris and dirt to have more opportunity to form a bigger object between molecule, hence sludge start to build.

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I used to worship 76 racing motor oil 10w40 for NASCAR, until my car start to emit white smoke and finally ended up with a full overhaul. Again, I did the overhaul by myself with assistance of magician to find that not much sludge built up, but the piston ring has been fully grounded off. Lesson learned as magician explain, usually racing motor oil does meant for racing. Those oil wouldn't last more than few thousand miles as it degrade faster than normal oil from the market. The dangerous part is, motor oil should form a film of coating on engine parts, but the degraded oil does not. It will be fully drained to the sump. Believe it or not, your engine life were shorten each time you crank start it, not when you taking it to the redline(provided the redline figure is properly balanced on your crankcase).

From the above little knowledge I gained from magician, I've been practicing frequent oil change. For your information, VTEC oil is rated SAE10w30 have no problem running at 8krpm.

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dares
post Jul 9 2013, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(Patik @ Jul 9 2013, 07:38 PM)
other than changing the tyre, does the other mod have issue with warranty ?  hmm.gif
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1) Firestorm - plug and play only. Easily removable.
2) Voltage Stabilizer - plug and play only. Easily removable. But I think will only void battery warranty.
3) Grounding cables - plug and play. But no so easily removable.
4) cabin paper air filter - plug and play only. Easily removable. But they probably won't care.
5) semua jenis strut bar - Not easily removable. void suspension warranty and potentially all components related to suspension depending on your faceproblem level.


QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Jul 9 2013, 08:19 PM)
I also want to claim my left side front Lamp. Got a lot of water vapour mark inside. Can claim warranty for this correct? Anybody claimed the lamp inside got water vapour marks?
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I claimed once. But according to Maxwell6635's case, if it is scratched or damage in anyway they won't honor the warranty.

QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Jul 9 2013, 08:27 PM)
So what is the benefit to install this little gadget? how much does it cost?
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It reads sensor output from the ECU and transmits it via bluetooth or wifi to your smartphone (you'll need an app to display those information). You can get vacuum reading, coolant temp, fuel flow rate, intake temp etc. etc. etc. depending on what car.

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This post has been edited by dares: Jul 9 2013, 08:44 PM
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post Jul 9 2013, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jul 9 2013, 12:38 PM)
SC ady know u r a tarp.  whistling.gif
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Ye la I tarp la. U win. Suka ati?
QUOTE(iskazulka @ Jul 9 2013, 04:39 PM)
refund pasai apa?
i tak dapat refund.
i got rm50 TnG card, full tank petrol. i got extra request for free umbrella je. lol.
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I dpt full tank petrol n umbrella je.
Got my baby 2 weeks after visit showroom. Super fast.

QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Jul 9 2013, 08:19 PM)
Go EON SC Larkin and try claim there.

I also want to claim my left side front Lamp. Got a lot of water vapour mark inside. Can claim warranty for this correct? Anybody claimed the lamp inside got water vapour marks?
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Okay! Roger! Then I only can go on weekend. Saturday need call for appointment eh?
Plus since yday I keep heard sound from my suspension I think whenever I go thru bumper or hump.
I scare is my suspension got problem...... doh.gif
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post Jul 9 2013, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 9 2013, 08:40 PM)
1) Firestorm - plug and play only. Easily removable.
2) Voltage Stabilizer - plug and play only. Easily removable. But I think will only void battery warranty.
3) Grounding cables - plug and play. But no so easily removable.
4) cabin paper air filter - plug and play only. Easily removable. But they probably won't care.
5) semua jenis strut bar - Not easily removable. void suspension warranty and potentially all components related to suspension depending on your faceproblem level.


Thanks, so looks like they have wait a bit more. hmm.gif

This post has been edited by Patik: Jul 9 2013, 08:52 PM
TitanRev
post Jul 9 2013, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 9 2013, 08:40 PM)
Engine oil talk

Fubar20 TitanRev

I know you guys have your idea on how motor oil benefit the car. Here's my piece to chip in despite I'm not particular and have very little knowledge on engine oil. I've been driving several years, changing engine oil almost every 3 month, sometimes twice when I hit 3000 miles too soon. Due to cost of motor oil start increasing, I found I'm paying more and more on the vehicle maintenance, so I start to dig more info from magician. Helping to overhaul engine benefit the most in terms of technical knowledge and understand how motor oil affect engine performance.

Rule of thumb, buy engine oil with API stamp. Here's a link, please download and print a copy put inside your car. The next time when you wanna purchase motor oil, make sure you read the ratings whether its SN/SJ/SM/SL.

http://www.api.org/certifications/engineoi...2010_120210.pdf

With API ratings, you'll get an idea how these engine oil comply to your power unit. Your motor vehicle rely on the chemical inside the motor oil to survive friction. The viscosity only meant very little, but the API rating worth the most. Hence, when you use cap ayam motor oil, despite they put down 10w60, that does not mean the molecule can stand your car's 10.1:1 compressrion ratio with 400'c extreme heat during the ignition. Be it 10w100, it doesn't make any difference when the oil being channeled into the combustion chamber.

However, don't take my word as a whole. The viscosity does yield it's importance. For instance 10w40 multi-visco simply means 10 comes suffixed with W, meaning WINTER(not weight/watt as claim by others) for cold start viscosity. The 40 after W is hot viscosity. The front winter denote has lower figure, meaning the liquid has lower "beku" point. Sorry ran out of vocabulary. The hot visco higher denote a higher boiling point. You don't want oil to boil, just like your mommy cooking in the kitchen.

I've seen many horrible incident's while helping customer to do engine overhauling. Unsurprisingly, most of them having problem with their motor, they tend to miss their oil change quite often, sometimes up to few years did not change oil at all. Before dismantle an engine for overhaul, as I loosen the oil sum nut, I'll be extremely careful to not let oil spill on my hand. These burnt oil can irritate my skin and cause allergy. However, most of the time after the sum nut being pull off, there aren't any oil drip out. Even if there is, very little and very thick. Got once we unable to drain anything out from the sum, because those oil already turned grease. Can imagine how not to jammed the pistons?

user posted image
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Thinner hot viscosity oil does not mean you have less chance building up sludge, infact it's the opposite. Otften I ask magician why not fully synthetic as those expansive oil usually added cleaning agent, can last up to 6000 miles. The answer is simple, recycle the same oil in the engine can only make those oil turn into sludge. Debris and dirt to have more opportunity to form a bigger object between molecule, hence sludge start to build.

user posted image

I used to worship 76 racing motor oil 10w40 for NASCAR, until my car start to emit white smoke and finally ended up with a full overhaul. Again, I did the overhaul by myself with assistance of magician to find that not much sludge built up, but the piston ring has been fully grounded off. Lesson learned as magician explain, usually racing motor oil does meant for racing. Those oil wouldn't last more than few thousand miles as it degrade faster than normal oil from the market. The dangerous part is, motor oil should form a film of coating on engine parts, but the degraded oil does not. It will be fully drained to the sump. Believe it or not, your engine life were shorten each time you crank start it, not when you taking it to the redline(provided the redline figure is properly balanced on your crankcase).

From the above little knowledge I gained from magician, I've been practicing frequent oil change. For your information, VTEC oil is rated SAE10w30 have no problem running at 8krpm.

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Oh....that's some serious sludge on that Bimmer engine....that's the problem if sticking to prolonged service intervals. Those that rely on on board computers to calculate service time. I change all my cars engine oil at 5K or max 7K. won't go until 10K.
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post Jul 9 2013, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Celest-Lee @ Jul 9 2013, 08:47 PM)
Ye la I tarp la. U win. Suka ati?
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Tolong kasi tampar si funker ni whistling.gif
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post Jul 9 2013, 09:40 PM

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hi.. wanna ask also..
plan to add tweeters on my dashboard...
this can cause my warranty kena void?

btw,i ady installed the auto lock function and double signal..
once open any door, double signal will turn on.. this also can cause warranty void?

plz tell me.. worry ni... ><
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post Jul 9 2013, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 9 2013, 08:40 PM)
Engine oil talk

Fubar20 TitanRev

I know you guys have your idea on how motor oil benefit the car. Here's my piece to chip in despite I'm not particular and have very little knowledge on engine oil. I've been driving several years, changing engine oil almost every 3 month, sometimes twice when I hit 3000 miles too soon. Due to cost of motor oil start increasing, I found I'm paying more and more on the vehicle maintenance, so I start to dig more info from magician. Helping to overhaul engine benefit the most in terms of technical knowledge and understand how motor oil affect engine performance.

Rule of thumb, buy engine oil with API stamp. Here's a link, please download and print a copy put inside your car. The next time when you wanna purchase motor oil, make sure you read the ratings whether its SN/SJ/SM/SL.

http://www.api.org/certifications/engineoi...2010_120210.pdf

With API ratings, you'll get an idea how these engine oil comply to your power unit. Your motor vehicle rely on the chemical inside the motor oil to survive friction. The viscosity only meant very little, but the API rating worth the most. Hence, when you use cap ayam motor oil, despite they put down 10w60, that does not mean the molecule can stand your car's 10.1:1 compressrion ratio with 400'c extreme heat during the ignition. Be it 10w100, it doesn't make any difference when the oil being channeled into the combustion chamber.

However, don't take my word as a whole. The viscosity does yield it's importance. For instance 10w40 multi-visco simply means 10 comes suffixed with W, meaning WINTER(not weight/watt as claim by others) for cold start viscosity. The 40 after W is hot viscosity. The front winter denote has lower figure, meaning the liquid has lower "beku" point. Sorry ran out of vocabulary. The hot visco higher denote a higher boiling point. You don't want oil to boil, just like your mommy cooking in the kitchen.

I've seen many horrible incident's while helping customer to do engine overhauling. Unsurprisingly, most of them having problem with their motor, they tend to miss their oil change quite often, sometimes up to few years did not change oil at all. Before dismantle an engine for overhaul, as I loosen the oil sum nut, I'll be extremely careful to not let oil spill on my hand. These burnt oil can irritate my skin and cause allergy. However, most of the time after the sum nut being pull off, there aren't any oil drip out. Even if there is, very little and very thick. Got once we unable to drain anything out from the sum, because those oil already turned grease. Can imagine how not to jammed the pistons?

user posted image
user posted image
user posted image

Thinner hot viscosity oil does not mean you have less chance building up sludge, infact it's the opposite. Otften I ask magician why not fully synthetic as those expansive oil usually added cleaning agent, can last up to 6000 miles. The answer is simple, recycle the same oil in the engine can only make those oil turn into sludge. Debris and dirt to have more opportunity to form a bigger object between molecule, hence sludge start to build.

user posted image

I used to worship 76 racing motor oil 10w40 for NASCAR, until my car start to emit white smoke and finally ended up with a full overhaul. Again, I did the overhaul by myself with assistance of magician to find that not much sludge built up, but the piston ring has been fully grounded off. Lesson learned as magician explain, usually racing motor oil does meant for racing. Those oil wouldn't last more than few thousand miles as it degrade faster than normal oil from the market. The dangerous part is, motor oil should form a film of coating on engine parts, but the degraded oil does not. It will be fully drained to the sump. Believe it or not, your engine life were shorten each time you crank start it, not when you taking it to the redline(provided the redline figure is properly balanced on your crankcase).

From the above little knowledge I gained from magician, I've been practicing frequent oil change. For your information, VTEC oil is rated SAE10w30 have no problem running at 8krpm.

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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif frequent oil change is better,u can monitor the engine oil at shorter time.....dats y i use local oil oni, sad.gif sad.gif

This post has been edited by Mahihi: Jul 9 2013, 09:47 PM
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post Jul 9 2013, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jul 9 2013, 09:47 PM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  frequent oil change is better,u can monitor the engine oil at shorter time.....dats y i use local oil oni, sad.gif  sad.gif
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local oil, such as???
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QUOTE(king_lover23 @ Jul 9 2013, 09:40 PM)
hi.. wanna ask also..
plan to add tweeters on my dashboard...
this can cause my warranty kena void?

btw,i ady installed the auto lock function and double signal..
once open any door, double signal will turn on.. this also can cause warranty void?

plz tell me.. worry ni... ><
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congratulations,car wiring void,touch wood so dat nth happen to ur car ecu....
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post Jul 9 2013, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Jul 9 2013, 09:48 PM)
local oil, such as???
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i use stop oil,wanna try???once foreman was saying that it looks and feels better than castrol magnatec,ahahhhaa tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(king_lover23 @ Jul 9 2013, 09:40 PM)
hi.. wanna ask also..
plan to add tweeters on my dashboard...
this can cause my warranty kena void?

btw,i ady installed the auto lock function and double signal..
once open any door, double signal will turn on.. this also can cause warranty void?

plz tell me.. worry ni... ><
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Hi Bro... notworthy.gif
Re tweeters, if connections are done via tapping (cutting) into yr Audio Sys, then yr Audio Sys warranty is void oledi.
If SC puts more into it, then they can void yr complete wiring sys... whistling.gif

Re Auto Lock module, similarly yr Alarm Sys warranty wld b void & (if same thinking by SC) wiring sys, too...

Frankly it depends on a few factors...
1. If yr car is >1 yr old, then makes no diff...cos no more warranty!
2. The SC where yu make the claim...

Best wishes...& good luck!

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post Jul 9 2013, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(king_lover23 @ Jul 9 2013, 09:40 PM)
hi.. wanna ask also..
plan to add tweeters on my dashboard...
this can cause my warranty kena void?

btw,i ady installed the auto lock function and double signal..
once open any door, double signal will turn on.. this also can cause warranty void?

plz tell me.. worry ni... ><
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As soon as wire is cut or tap, warranty will be affected.

For the autolock, will void your alarm and car lock warranty. Issit a plug and play unit?
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post Jul 9 2013, 09:56 PM

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dares just now got pass by TTDI ?

seems like i saw ur car ~ hahaha

Today on my way back from Johor Larkin site ... a stupid Dugong J cucuk me ~ when i'm running 120 at left lane ~ ... then i just drive my own way but he keep cucuk until very close and flash me... then dulan take fast lane all th way to 150 he still can keep up then i tekan more abit 17x seem like our car got some distance then i tekan more 18x (not yet floor my pedal) then can see from reverse mirror he give up then i slow down back to 120 and move back to left lane ... after awhile he come back from fast lane then purposely eat to my front (as his front no car) then speed all the way then i jz drive my 120 then mayb he see me no reaction he slow down until i'm near to him then speed up again (he all the way in left lane) ... then i think that he want play just play with him lo i go to fast lane the gradually push up to 18x and wonderfully able to over take him ~ then see infront is yong ping rest then eat to left lane and slow downa nd go to R&R that fellow seems very boh song look at me when he overtake me hahaha ..

and i want to thanks mahihi‘s fantastic bar ~ last time i cruise 170 my car will shake like hell and hard on handling .. but today ~ all the way steady even i driving 18x also not feel that my car gonna fly off like last time without bar ....~ thumbup.gif notworthy.gif

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post Jul 9 2013, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 9 2013, 09:53 PM)
As soon as wire is cut or tap, warranty will be affected.

For the autolock, will void your alarm and car lock warranty. Issit a plug and play unit?
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cham... my autolock is plug n play unit..
but just simple wiring to add the tweeter will void the whole car warranty? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(king_lover23 @ Jul 9 2013, 09:57 PM)
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cham... my autolock is plug n play unit..
but just simple wiring to add the tweeter will void the whole car warranty? unsure.gif
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ahahahahahahahahaha,very rare la ecu burnt,but i got member kena b4,pity him.....spend few k for a stock ecu,==
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QUOTE(king_lover23 @ Jul 9 2013, 09:57 PM)
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cham... my autolock is plug n play unit..
but just simple wiring to add the tweeter will void the whole car warranty? unsure.gif
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plug and play no cut wire .. u just dismantle it when sent warranty ~
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QUOTE(jaylim94 @ Jul 8 2013, 11:41 PM)
Hello there,

For point 2, this is known as common issue for FLX. For my situation I also face it before, but I don't have fix this issue and automatic the sound is gone. Maybe more than 10k milage. Haha.

Point 1 kindly wait for others respond  smile.gif
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Proton should make recall on this issue.
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 9 2013, 08:40 PM)
1) Firestorm - plug and play only. Easily removable.
2) Voltage Stabilizer - plug and play only. Easily removable. But I think will only void battery warranty.
3) Grounding cables - plug and play. But no so easily removable.
4) cabin paper air filter - plug and play only. Easily removable. But they probably won't care.
5) semua jenis strut bar - Not easily removable. void suspension warranty and potentially all components related to suspension depending on your faceproblem level.
I claimed once. But according to Maxwell6635's case, if it is scratched or damage in anyway they won't honor the warranty.
It reads sensor output from the ECU and transmits it via bluetooth or wifi to your smartphone (you'll need an app to display those information). You can get vacuum reading, coolant temp, fuel flow rate, intake temp etc. etc. etc. depending on what car.

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Ok thanks bro dares will call Eon Larking to check. but mine guarantee no scratches.... I hope! i park also cover with car cover one le...

oh ecu bluetooth... no need la like that... i thought it was some ecu piggyback thing...thanks for enlightening me.
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davidke20 bro wanna ask if just install proride taxi spring for front and back how much arr? i need a set soon coz this round i go to project side (same issue as r3apers ) my bottom part keep on hitting the ground (actually is hard mud) all the way clak clak sound ~ cry.gif

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