I am planning to sell my VIVA to get a more fitting car for my small family (4 adults).

After much research on the forum and some sites,
My budget would allow me to look at a few options, and i have narrowed down to the following

1. KIA Forte 1.6 SX - ~85k (non local brand, low interest (1.68% or 1.88%), good amount of equipment)
2. PROTON Inspira 2.0 Premium - ~92k (good discount around 7k, good amount of equipment)
3. PROTON Inspira 1.8 Manual - ~78k (good discount around 7k, way cheaper than above after discount)

Hope the sifus here are able to give more insight on which to get and why?

Preve >> all~

Wanna Sushi and stick with inspira.
Like more kimchi then Forte loh.
Support malaysia then Preve will do.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 24 2013, 03:30 PM

i would go for inspira 2.0 as most of the build quality is from Mitsu. Hence, cannot go wrong. My friend driving one. After 2 years, so far no problems.

I Like Mivc engine. The cover name as campro is fake cover.
Try to order from Mitsubishi and instead of fake cover that so.

The thing about Inspira is that it's more of a cruiser than a "fast" car. Don't expect anything from a CVT gearbox as it sucks all the fun out of the car. However, it's smooth that you can cruize with ease...

Never like Kimchi as parts are not durable and expensive.

At lease the power window module still under Mitsubishi

ANything but proton la... i read in this forum that inspira is 99% local, infact most Lancer owners claim that's true! If Inspira is same as Lancer, why would people go buy lancer and pay 30~40k more?! THey are not stupid la.

As for the inspira/Campro engine..... I was standing there when this picture was taken.... so i can confirm its not photochopped



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Buy original at lease the main logo and car card still name it as Mitsubishi lancer right.

If under budget who care lancer or proton logo.
Also like passo & myvi. At lease myvi parts still able to find from daihatsu.

http://keretaproton-lanz.blogspot.sg/2011/...lancer.html?m=1

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 24 2013, 04:11 PM

here we go againnnn...

"Why so serious?"

from experience, u better stop buying proton...wait new VIOS, u will never regret... no need compare spec, just compare name and you will b fine kid

Forte for sure.. Need to ask ah kuai meh?

inspira 1.8 manual

forte la. the price might be a bit expensive..but 6 airbags and esp might be bonus.

I think the 1.6 SX variant only comes with 2 airbags, the driver and front passenger airbag. The 6 airbags only available in 2.0 SX model. That's what the NAZA KIA SA told me.

Said bye bye to forte and welcome to Cerato anytime

our of curiosity.... why no exora?

TS: Go test drive lar...ask here no use....Everyone will be bias. LOL.

IMO, Forte must get 2.0....Forte 1.6 really sucks in power...legarthic like my old KIA Sephia....car too big and power too little....you will be ownz by Viva's on the road.

After testing Forte and Inspira...i bought Inspira, now 2 years+......still loving my Inspira.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 24 2013, 08:31 PM

Forte is 4 star car only despite with the 6 airbags and ESP. The A pillar bent, thus only manage 4 star.

To be honest, inspira is a much nicer car to drive compare to forte..

for me...inspira all the way
depending on what transmission u like, thn u go for whichever
mostly is CVT if u plan to drive on weekdays

i know a fella own both

ah sorry..read it wrong. but 1.6 sx still got esp right?

Too many Forte on the road already. Sick of this car, like Vios and Maimee.

Seldom see Inspira, so go get one manual or better if got R3 spec.

More cars on the road means more spare parts as well as spare part supplier will bring in more spare parts.

Compared Forte 2.0L vs Inspira 2.0L, these 2 are still exact match as the new K3 Cerato will be sold under Japanese C-segment range.

Forte is Korean made but DNA for its engine & tech from MMC, reliability & durability proven. Spare parts also cheap and highly available. Handling could beat Inspira with help from VSC. Maintenance is also cheaper using conventional 6AT that has stronger gears for startup from idle. FC wise, Forte wins by at least 0.3km/L city driving difference.
Kerb weight 1293kg (lighter due to torsion beam)
0-100km/h 9.8s

Inspira is using Lancer chassis, detuned GL engine + standard CVT JATCO gearbox with smaller gears. Other than these, the rest of the parts are built by P1. The suspension is not the same as in Lancer GT. What I dislike about CVT, ATF fluid change not exceeding 60,000km interval and have to pay RM400.
Kerb weight 1335kg
0-100km/h 10.5s

Verdict is, go test drive both kawkaw and check which 1 do you prefer. Personally I love the Lancer GT but I like the Forte now. Dun like Inspira as the bumpers, steering and some of the non-ori MMC parts seems cheap.

bro u are rite
i didnt know that inspira was detuned no wonder i lose to vios...
TS... see my siggy for the answer

Preve ~

Bro you prefer which state?

In JB town really hardly to see Forte on the road an not like Myvi or Vios.

I believe after 3 yrs Forte will be outdated and much ppls would bother it.

Due to Korean tech improved as fast than JDM specs.
Just like Samsung S1 to S3 as short preiod only.



This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 25 2013, 06:25 AM

honestly I doubt your statements

TS,
Go test drive both if possible.

My vote goes to Inspira 1.8M->Inspira 2.0P -> current Forte 1.6EX/SX, mainly b'coz
- steering feel is too numb
- dash design vs exterior's kinda mismatched (ala Korean interior vs European skin)

handling wise forte is so-so only. inspira is better. but forte still a good car.

HOLY S.H.I.T....

VSC can make your car handling godlike...


i am beyond words to describe the next level of facepalmsu....

Didn't VSC make our test golf stick to the line?

our golf has much higher chassis capability and better ESP tuning compared to a forte...
but then again we are just going in circles literally so there is not much ESP intervening works needed apart from just braking the inner wheel...

now try it again on multiple corners that require frequent weight transfers like B-roads or in Sepang..
i overshoot 3 corners in sepang even with ESP...


not to mention our golf is running on aluminium arm link and its independent suspension all round... compared to a errrr torsion beam on a regular road car...

if u are talking megane, different story all together la..


This post has been edited by kcng: Jun 25 2013, 10:56 AM

when u wana buy car n consider so many technical stuff such as vsc, vtc, atc, abc...better stick to viva la..here all proton driver but in their heart, they wish to drive other car

Back to proton saga 1st batch lah.

No ABS, no airbag, no EDB, No ESP, no VSC, no front impact bar, all don't have but still can find everywhere.

either both will do.. if u r a kind of guy who like to drive a manual trans, go with inspira 1.8(m).. quite good imo.. hwever, look wise, eventho i really like to keep my trans in manual mode, i will choose forte 2.0 instead.. still, it's a matter of perspective.. lain orang, lain mata, lain hati..

yup sad die me sir...
my proton got no DVVT sir...
no lagi best lagi power tagline also sir....

I actually got a friend told me Inspira engine is make from Proton. His cousin work in Proton told him that and the suspension also from proton. That why he bought himself a Forte that is actually using MMC. That what he told me la. Maybe ur right!

We understanding on proton with Mitsubishi relationship.

Just we not bother proton what they like in package with Exora put on 1.6L engine.

If they get smart on Exora very early stage has been selling 1.8 or 2.0L anytime..

If you guys get smart you know what meant.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 25 2013, 01:01 PM

Because Proton not smart enough to have 1.8 or 2.0 engine at that time. Now, they have 1.6 turbocharged engine which is powerful enough to move the heavy exora.

Do you how the Airport taxi said?

When Exora got 2.0L for them...

The 1.6 turbocharged have higher torque than 2.0l engine. The ECU tuned with better pickup than Preve.

Proton have eventually solved the under power problem, for all their current models.

No any option for 2.0L for Exora or Preve?

No. Because they simply dont have any 2.0, and they have 1.6 turbocharged for the same amount of power.

Proton campro replacement is NFE 1.2, 1.4, 1.8. NA and turbocharged. This is not include the Petronas 1.8/2.0. That engine is not in schedule for mass market.

Campro 1.6 CFE not powerful like 2.0L engine. Still can feel lack of power. What to expect from 138hp engine. If 10 years ago, maybe yes..
Current 2.0L NA engine can give no less 150hp. Some Korean car engine that being said inferior tech can give 160-170hp.
Somemore CVT not a proper mate wt CFE.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: Jun 25 2013, 02:01 PM

Actually I like my Sylphy at low Hp, but in high torque

Engine type: MR20DE 1,997cc, 4-cylinder electronic fuel injection system (ECCS), DOHC with CVTC, balancer shaft and drive-by-wire technology
Max. Power: 131hp @ 5,200rpm
Max. Torque: 191Nm @ 4,400rpm

Just slightly accleerate on up hill only, never feel the lack power of CVT.

The ECU was tuned to meet the CVT torque capped. 1.6 NA campro can be tuned to give insane output. See those R3 race car. We are not talking about output alone. As far as underpower issued with Exora, it is already solved with CFE. Just keep in mind, it is a people mover vehicle.

10 years old tech engine. not being use anymore in new sylphy 2013 due to low hp.

Ya correct the high specs in 1.8L only.
Dual C-CVT and pure drive CVT.

For me I was still prefer the current 2.0L over than smaller 1.8L for fuel economy.

That's why I would suggest ppl buy Inspira 2.0L rather than get CFE.

Petronas engines of 1.8/2.0 is not for mass market ? Thanks.

True. Usually bigger cc will give better feel & power.
Same also wt Merc 2.0 kompressor. I still think 2.4 cc Accord better.
I dont like turbo lag..

Agree with you.

One day got money, I will collect Cefiro 3.0 V6 wow

hi edison1437 & ironthomas,

There is local owners organised club that organise racing at Sepang racetrack. Forgot what club, looks like Forte club vs Lancer club vs Inspira club vs Civic club. You can find them pitting against each other in Civic FD, Lancer, Forte, Inspira. I think that club should have expanded further to include Elantra and new Civic. At that time, never seen Inspira win much for standard NA engine category.

Without VSC, for FF car with multi-link rear, if the back is not heavy enough and lack the real wide stance to counter the weight distribution in front, it will go into understeer when hard cornering at over certain speed limit eg. 100km/h or 120km/h. Forte 2.0L despite torsion beam, the VSC prevents it from understeer allowing it to take hard corner at higher speed than Inspira.

The Lancer/Inspira CVT ATF fluid change maintenance is correct, you can check with SC if you doubted my comment. When Inspira introduced, the original Lancer could still sell mainly because many of the parts in Inspira are not MMC made. Check RV for Lancer, it is still ok though not as strong as back then reason being people buy it for its better suspension, handling and build quality. If Inspira handling and quality are somewhere close to Lancer, it could have defeated Lancer like how Perdana RM80k killed off Galant RM110k in 1994.


kcng,

Refer N-brand defensive driving course held in 2007/2008 and you'll understand what people talking here. All the N-brand models participated at that time failed the handling part and went into understeer dangerously. THis is due to poor suspension setup and no VSC. Having flat side stance, only bent by less than 5 degree angle on the spring.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 29 2013, 12:09 AM

hi khusyairi,

Turbolag only happens in older wastegate turbocharger. Turbolag means the exhaust gas pressure suddenly not enough to spin the turbine when there's sudden deceleration or abrupt sudden brake and then floor the pedal again. The newer type such as VGT and twinscroll turbocharger came up with low pressure and high pressure mode to eliminate lag.

If you meant sluggish at lower speed eg. turbocharger activates only from 1600rpm, at less than 1600rpm that is at 800-1599rpm would rely on the engine own strength to pull. The Merc 200kompressor is actually powered by 1.8L engine and its kerb weight at >1500kg. Like that sure engine feels weaker when turbo not activated.

If you look at Mondeo 2.0T, its 2.0L engine itself generate torque 200Nm on its own therefore, it is not a problem even if its VGT turbocharger activate at 4000rpm onwards. As long as the engine itself is not too small for the chassis weight, you won't feel weak at low end.

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kimsim,

You said Sylphy at low Hp, but in high torque

Engine type: MR20DE 1,997cc, 4-cylinder electronic fuel injection system (ECCS), DOHC with CVTC, balancer shaft and drive-by-wire technology
Max. Power: 131hp @ 5,200rpm
Max. Torque: 191Nm @ 4,400rpm
Just slightly accleerate on up hill only, never feel the lack power of CVT.

As khusyairi said, that is 10 years ago tech engine. New Sentra 2013 don't use that. Even US Sentra MR20DE engine with EGR tuned to >140ps. You need to park the Sylphy on steep slope like certain part of Cameron Highland or Genting Highland with a Forte 2.0 next to you. Then both start to move up from zero, you'll find the Sylphy sluggish like it's struggling to move a bit. Try with reverse as well, it'll be worse.

honestly i dunno what should i reply you other than " "

Wake up la dude. Its not 99% local parts la! Most lancer owner said that coz they bought at expensive and feel butthurt. Alot of parts are still from japan, only those make up and some accessories is assembly local by proton. Those lancer selling 120k last time when inspira is not launched. Inspira can be sold cheaper alot is because is made in malaysia and and those parts inside inspira is re-make locally. Do you know that inspira 2012 still have the hot hair blow equipped? Those lancer try to trade in and see, their tears will come out anytime.
For your engine quote, inspira never use campro engine, all are mitsu engine. Dont be fooled by other ppl, there's agreement when they get the lancer from mitsu and convert to proton, the engine is not allowed to be modified by proton and reselling locally. If the engine is campro, alot of people will suffering because of the thirsty campro engine.

TS

care to sexplain wat criteria in choosing ur ride?

Power
Gadgets
Handling
FC
The Looks
The Brand????
Value For Money

in term of Spirited Driving for me
Inspira Rulessssssss
just my personal opinion

Troll mode-OFF


lol

Not sure of sylphy but forte 2.0 is underpowered as well. Never tried sylphy yet but tried accord 2.0, civic 2.0, inspira 2.0, camry 2.0, altis 1.8 are still much better than forte 2.0. Forte is a real disappointed car. Even 1.6 then 4at failed, then new 6at still failed.. Suggest better forte tutup kilang

WAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
u, off all people trying to tell me what is going on here?

AHAHAHAHAH

please la even Forte with VSC prevent understeer and able to corner harder?
are u sure what junk u spewing out?
HAAHAHAHAAHAH...

oh god...
wat a nice saturday morning joke....
i would love to take YOUR particular forte and try since u say can prevent understeer and corner harder and higher speed....

I would vouch for Forte, as I'm always skeptical on Proton's quality.

i suggest you to even try to sit in a sylphy.

its cvt is tuned to be aggressive. it feels very powerful.

and dont ask someone to do a slope test. dont tell me you done it, because obviously you never stepped in a sylphy before.

and no, your slope test is not the way to test power. if 2.0 is sluggish, i think 660 kancil will explode on the spot.



This post has been edited by stinger82: Jun 29 2013, 01:48 PM

u are running out of time.
http://paultan.org/2013/06/28/suzuki-jimny...ira-discount-2/

Ayam tot VSC actually cut engine power when activated.....so in fact when you corner til VSC light come out you will actually slow down.

Deswai ppl turn off the thing when tracking

VSC stands for " Very Stable Cornering" feature. When activated, it will stabilize you car and automatically accelerate through the corner faster. It can provide stability that is better than 4WD car.

If you switch it off during tracking then you are doomed.

Toyoda should have employed u to be their copywriter, Vehicle Stability Control sound so difficult to understand, Very Stable Cornering or Very Safe Cornering, surely uncle auntie also understand, lol.......

BTW u r pulling the fellow leg, when u said it's Very Stable Cornering aren't U... ???

bro, inspira 2.0p is like total 95% imported from mitsu la, you sure or not? is the mivec engine then what for they detune it?

1.6 and 1.8 version are campro actually

Since when inspira got 1.6? 1.8 mitsu la dude

so you willing to pay rm30-40k more for a better quality bumper and original MMC parts..

I don't wanna work with Toyoda. LOL

Anyway, Lagi Stable Lagi Best!

TS , i would suggest Exora bold . Many people here doesnt even read or understand the topic starter and what he needs . Got genius fella saying torsion beam with VSC can corner kaw kaw . So TS , if u want to put 4 adult in a car and corner kaw kaw , pls give
my friend a call . He's a ING insurance agent . Good service too . f***ing LOLX at those replies

What rubbish are you talking about. I own one. Go die please. '
Local content 99%?

Even women have better understanding in car than you.

This post has been edited by piumiu: Jun 30 2013, 09:18 AM

MeTooyou lose to a women

fwd car+vsc/esp.i dont think its gonna give u very big different..unless if it is a rear wheel drive car.and summore the power is just from a 2.0 liter NA engine.i would say it gives a very minimal effect during cornering.

This post has been edited by ledtechn: Jun 30 2013, 10:49 AM

See... 1.8 campro!
who says inspira no campro

From viva to forte to inpila to vsc and boring torsion beam, really need to vroom2 in family car?

Zzz

this is one of the example

Exora....BOLD
is it in the TS consideration list


LOLX

Nope , its not in his list . I mention 'suggest' instead of 'choose' from ts option.
Anyway TS, if u always carry many people , the preve or exora with turbo will be good for you as you get plenty of torque at low RPM , which is very needed to move heavy things . Otherwise you will feel sluggish

TS better ask in serious kopitiam else u want bring ur unker to sepang trackday

Sorry for being gone for sometimes guys

I don't really mind about the brand actually, that's why Proton is in my consideration

Things i look for in my future ride:
+First and foremost, value for money.
+Then comfortable to transport 3-4 people (once in a week or two, weekend family car)
+One i could use for a very long time (not planning to change car in 10 years maybe)
+Good amount of room for rear seat and boot
+preferably sedan car (i'm somewhat a sucker for looks too)
+Safe ride
+gadgets are good, i'd love if they had a lot gadgets installed but these could be installed after the car is purchased. Gadgets i'd want to have would be Navigator and Reverse cam

RM69k after discount for 2.0E inspira
yesterday suppose the last day
maybe you should check with the SA?

wow 69k, thats cheap, good buy if can get that price.

Wow... that's extremely good price. Is that the one shown by one of the reply here? Autofest Penang?

Yesterday i did gave one of the forummer dealer a call and asked about 2.0P. Didn't hear him saying anything about the 2.0E selling at that price.

Probably i should ask him later. Thanks for the info.

yes at DRB auto fest. Honestly if my financial allow i dont mind getting another manual
people might say i crazy thou
a few fella at inspira thread already booked either 2.0E or the 1.8MT

I think u just made your choice if u managed to get the DRB discounted Inspira

Thumbs up

u can have lotsa gadgets with ur new found ride

ASC
AFS
KOS

wat is that?
Come TT

u know where to find us

those are not aftermarket gadgets yo

u will be amazed

1.8 Campro do exist, but in a hovercraft.

just asking,in term cost for service and maintanance,which one more cost effective..

they are C-segment to me about the same

im sorry, u are inspira sales man ka?

you worse inspira con-man