English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Thailand 0 Liverpool 3- Couts, Aspas, SG
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 Jun 23 2013, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jun 23 2013, 06:57 PM) You're definitely not a socialist. You sound like a Manhattan Upper East Side arsonist. Those that like to spark fire around.    |
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Jun 23 2013, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(Chris Lam @ Jun 23 2013, 06:31 PM) Fabri @ Can play arsenal at the age 16 lol...suso is as good as wilshere? with the exception of city, wilshere can command a starting spot in any other team in bpl. can suso do that? suso is good but you over exagerating. huge differences between youth/reserve level and bpl levelOx @ about there Anelka @ same Rooney @ same Johnson @ same Cole @ same Owen & fowler @ same Bla Bla Bla..the list goes on. If their good means they r? Y? Coz they r giving chance to play when they r 16/17. They need the experience. I'm stating this not only to Suso but rest of the academy. They need real playing time. A promising lad should have given at least 10 starts and multiple subs moment. Not 5 but at least 20-30minutes...this will. Eventually enhance their ability to become a better pro. For example : Is Suso is not as good as wilshere? No. But wilshere get to play coz arsene all this year philosophy is giving youngster to play. For the past 10+ years...u can see more youngster emerging playing for arsenal than any top flight PL club? R they as good as messi @ 16? No..they r potential but they need to play with the big guys so that can learn n nurture their play with real match day experience. Without those experience they won't grow from strength to strength. Loaning them out is a good option but provided they get at least 50% first team start. If not..it doesn't make sense where the purpose of loaning out us to gain experience. But Suso has mention he want to stay to fight for his place. Anyway the most important is that BR give other youngster game time. A start is good but at least 20/30 minutes 1st team game time experience to enhanced their football knowledge. If study thru the sub that BR make... Is either (based on them being benched) - shelvey - sterling (BR favor) - Henderson - borini (BR favor) - Allen (BR favor) - sturridge (BR favor) I know can remember Suso coming out from the bench against United & Newcastle(last 8min when we r cruising since early second half) IF we can play Ibe without any 1st team the last game. Why Suso didn't get to play? Coutinho started every game since feb n was not rested much...and he's 20. Will he b overburn? Note : he was largely out if the inter squad before the came to us. Yet he still flourished. Y? Coz he look rusty at first but as the more game time under his belt..he look "Worldclass". Y? Coz he was given a run of game and as his confidences grow..he play with confidence and he looks wonder. Coz the more he play..the better he get..this is what I'm trying to say. Sterling is badly overplayed..he started more and was used as a subs at the rate twice of the ratio compare to Suso. While sterling didnt flourished well with england age group but Suso has excel in the Spain U18 winning the under 18 euro cup last summer n doing well in Spain under 20s World Cup this summer. He's wearing No.8 jersey for Spanish national team. Can u wear no.8 is u r average n not experience enough? U evaluate urself. No need to see YouTube if u check him out every game he played it live. I'm gathering as much game play then can find Suso which they focus it for u guys that didn't study how he's really is. I watch him live caused he's playing his trade with Liverpool so does I watch England when Gerrard play for England. I'm a not a YouTube follower. I'm a Liverpool live game follower. Even i follow Spain with Torres n alonso is a red. For u guys that question Suso overrated..pla don't see YouTube. Pls catch him live during the under 20 world cup. Will find out the dates for u all. We all Need Opportunities. Chris L. |
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Jun 23 2013, 07:04 PM
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not sure aspa could make it here or not but alberto i will fully confident on him
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Jun 23 2013, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jun 23 2013, 06:57 PM) You're definitely not a socialist. You sound like a Manhattan Upper East Side arsonist. Those that like to spark fire around.  |
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Jun 23 2013, 07:23 PM
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Nobody said Suso was overrated. Some of us are just saying he's not star material YET but could be. Whether he gets more minutes compared to last season is BR's prerogative. We all don't get to watch him in training. Only the manager and coaches know how to judge what goes on behind the scenes.
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Jun 23 2013, 07:43 PM
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Bro. I didn't say overplayed ok. BR admit it n I'm comparing with Suso game time. Look at the age different n between the 2. Secondly sterling was BR preferences. He has pace but we need technical player in the system. Yet Suso was not played I even given a try for 30m when we r winning games. U cant play a for a football club is u can't even handle it international age group. England fail in youth level but Spain? Suso is part of the starting 11 that won the euro cup under 18 last summer. This not genuine enough. Yes mayb he's the handicapped player in the camp where is others far more superior so he still not good enough. Anyway I'm asking u guys to watch u20s closely since u say I'm referring to YouTube clips..doubt me then watch it lot..the whole game so u don't get con from YouTube clip. Fred adu..he didn't excite me at all even watching YouTube. Chris subscribe LFC tv to watch the reserves. He look well above the rest. I'm talking Suso as a whole..played thru under 18 + reserves team + 1st team + under 18s starting 11 euro cup winning team in 2013 and now in the under 20s world club starting 11. If u don't have talent in the age group u won't get to start o wearing no.8 for your national team.
U can name those youngsters...I can remember every single one of them. I follow the academy since my college days n im 32 now. None of them that has the potential like Suso did. Le tallec was the close...sadly change of manager changes everything. Fined. If u say BR give chances to every1. If Liverpool is a defensive n tactical manager at helm u can say Suso can't b played but we r playing the tiki-Tina football philosophy and Suso not talented to play in there? For me only Suarez + coutinho + sturridge r technically good. How many appearance..sorry minutes played after the Oldham game or after signing his new contract. This call getting fair chance. Cantik...yes I'm overrated suso. Enough say. Bro all I can say we need a better future to LFC. Chris This post has been edited by Chris Lam: Jun 23 2013, 08:27 PM |
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Jun 23 2013, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(Chris Lam @ Jun 23 2013, 07:43 PM) Bro. I didn't say overplayed ok. BR admit it n I'm comparing with Suso game time. Look at the age different n between the 2. Secondly sterling was BR preferences. He has pace but we need technical player in the system. Yet Suso was not played I even given a try for 30m when we r winning games. U cant play a for a football club is u can't even handle it international age group. England fail in youth level but Spain? Suso is part of the starting 11 that won the euro cup under 18 last summer. This not genuine enough. Yes mayb he's the handicapped player in the camp where is others far more superior so he still not good enough. Anyway I'm asking u guys to watch u20s closely since u say I'm referring to YouTube clips..doubt me then watch it lot..the whole game so u don't get con from YouTube clip. Fred adu..he didn't excite me at all even watching YouTube. Chris subscribe LFC tv to watch the reserves. He look well above the rest. I'm talking Suso as a whole..played thru under 18 + reserves team + 1st team + under 18s starting 11 euro cup winning team in 2013 and now in the under 20s world club starting 11. If u don't have talent in the age group u won't get to start o wearing no.8 for your national team. Err yes you did worU can name those youngsters...I can remember every single one of them. I follow the academy since my college days n im 32 now. None of them that has the potential like Suso did. Le tallec was the close...sadly change of manager changes everything. Fined. If u say BR give chances to every1. If Liverpool is a defensive n tactical manager at helm u can say Suso can't b played but we r playing the tiki-Tina football philosophy and Suso not talented to play in there? For me only Suarez + coutinho + sturridge r technically good. How many appearance..sorry minutes played after the Oldham game or after signing thr new congrat. This call getting fair chance. Cantik...yes I'm overrated suso. Enough say. Bro all I can say we need a better future to LFC. Chris QUOTE Sterling is badly overplayed Point is just because someone plays well at youth level, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll cut it. Morgan was scoring for fun and won 2 FA Cups with the youth team. Last season, he was largely anonymous whenever he was on the field. This leads to the question I've asked twice. Has Suso really stood out in the matches he played last season because I've seen little to suggest he should be thrust into the first team. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jun 23 2013, 07:53 PM |
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Jun 23 2013, 07:55 PM
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I want Suso to succeed as much as the next guy and I can see promise in him. I'm just wondering what you've seen based on his performances for the first team so far to justify demanding that Rodgers plays him more?
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Jun 23 2013, 08:41 PM
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Jun 23 2013, 09:06 PM
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Duke : Let's come out & fight...LoL
Anyway. Agreed with u..We badly tons academy guys coming into for the 1st team for good since we can't match other in the market. U ask me.... 1.0 Is Suso ready for the 1st team @ Yes 2.0 Is Morgan ready for the 1st team @ No. Sorry... I never see him having it even a sniff. But i see in "NEIL MELLOR" - he's the 1 that broke all the goals records in the LFC youth level yet didn't make to rafa regime.. Michael Ngoo - 4 me he's ready to play a bit part in the 1st team. - He has the height of Carroll but Lighting Quick. - Was loan to SPL heart if i'm not mistaken.. - Biggest striking talent based on the academy But...we will see YESIL next season. - he deserves sadly was injured most part of this season.. - I've faith as much in him like Suso. Potential yet not giving a chance to play 1.0 Paul Anderson - I like him. Potential...yet he was not given a chance to perform. Mayb he was english & back then spanish armada is floating into 1st during the rafa regime. 2.0 Toni Silva - Quick & skillful - Somehow we released him - Portuguese origin 3.0 Tom Ince - English lad not given a shout.. Anyway..We need to treasure our Academy Lads. If i look back 5 years ago & now...Oh my..we have ton's of it. Look what Pep say... Pep Guardiola has issued a glowing review of the Liverpool youth system after holding an interview with Catalan Radio. The Barcelona coach has arguably the world’s best academy at his disposal, with many regarding Arsenal’s young guns as contenders. However, Guardiola believes that it is Liverpool who have the only academy that can challenge his own – a sentiment that he was keen to share during a recent interview: “The academy of the Liverpool is the only one that can compare to La Masia of Barcelona FC.” he said. The double winning coach then went on to state: “If Liverpool can manage those lads in the academy, then maybe 20 star players can arrive from that academy”. Rafa Benitez’ marmite approach to football is one that still has the Anfield faithful split between those who laud his time at the club, and those who rejoiced at his exit. But the legacy that he left behind is testament to his managerial ability and vision for the club’s future. Thanks to his hard work, and that of Jose Segura and Rodolfo Borrell – both of whom were poached from the Barca ranks – as well as Frank McParland and Kenny Dalglish, Liverpool finally have an academy set-up which is envied the world over. From Dominic Campbell article...in 9th June 2011. Which Y i Love Rafa.. Cheers. |
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Jun 23 2013, 10:04 PM
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Fight? Sure, over beers
 I don't think Rodgers is oblivious to the fact that Suso has talent else he would not have thrust him into the first team early in the season. If anything it was probably a combination of a resurgent Stewart Downing and the breakthrough of Raheem Sterling that relegated him back to the bench. The additions of Sturridge and Coutinho in the summer did him no favours either. Wasn't that he wasn't playing decent football, it's just that some players were in better form. With Borini having returned from injury coupled with the signings of Aspas and Alberto, his task of securing first team action has become that much harder. Neil Mellor didn't just not cut it in Rafa's squad, he didnt really cut it anywhere. Didnt expect big things from him as I always thought he was a little too sluggish for Premier League football. Like I said, big difference playing youth football compared to the more continental approach adopted by most Premier League sides now, where mobility is increasingly important. If you compare him to big forwards like Benteke or Lukaku, he is as agile as a bull in a glassware store. Ngoo I do like. Tall, quick and good on the ball. Then again that's what I thought of David Ngog who has the physicality but not the footballing brain to go along with it. Paul Anderson scored less goals than Jonjo Shelvey last season despite being a regular in League Two. He's 24 now and I doubt there will be any respite for him. Has only managed 4 caps at youth level for England. Yes Rafa was instrumental in redeveloping the academy and he'll always have a special place in the hearts of Liverpool fans. Sadly he may move out of Merseyside now that he's found a job in Italy. |
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Jun 23 2013, 10:29 PM
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This is the video I recall Gerrard sending a message to our youth players. From 07:20 - 08:07. The reason I remember it so well is because all along I thought as young players, you gotta train hard, be patient and wait for your chance. But Gerrad said: "Don't wait! When the chance comes you have to take it and prove it." these words from Gerrard strikes me, it's such a strong statement and shows the type of winner mentality he has. Maybe that's the reason why he's so commanding during his time and being recognized as the most complete midfielder. Back at the early days, Gerrard is so oozing with fire and hunger in his game., he's running all over the park like a monkey let loose.  As talented as some of the young lads are, mentally they must show the hunger and desire to make the manager pick them ahead of other seniors. IMO Henderson is a perfect example (though he's not very young ). He's so desired for first team football that he gives it his all when he's call up during the QPR game even though he is having illness. |
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Jun 23 2013, 11:03 PM
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Gerrard..trully fantastic.
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Jun 23 2013, 11:36 PM
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Talksport reported that Man City is planning on a 35m bid on Suarez
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Jun 24 2013, 01:04 AM
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 SOS: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...-WERE-HERE.html Omg, david seaman chg so much This post has been edited by solstice818: Jun 24 2013, 01:05 AM |
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Jun 24 2013, 01:09 AM
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 Real photo or PS? Got it from facebook This post has been edited by solstice818: Jun 24 2013, 01:10 AM |
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Jun 24 2013, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 24 2013, 01:09 AM) Real photo or PS? Got it from facebook |
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Jun 24 2013, 04:05 AM
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 24 2013, 01:09 AM) Real photo or PS? Got it from facebook |
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Jun 24 2013, 04:38 AM
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Torres scored again. Meanwhile, Uruguay are leading 6-0 against tahiti with suarez cavani forlan all on the bench. Coates started the game.
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Jun 24 2013, 04:41 AM
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7-0. Suarez came in and scored an individual goal.
Edit: FullTime 8-0. Suarez scored again. This post has been edited by lerijiso: Jun 24 2013, 04:52 AM |
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