Nvm la, those people rich enough to dump the car

Not true at all. Even T&H cars full of electronics nowadays....especially Hybrids...got a computer under the car boot or something (which explains most hybrid car boot damn small)...But small gadgets problem...can live without...if things like auto wiper, auto aircond spoil...no problem. Just use your hand to set lah. But gearbox problem...nothing can do.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 13 2013, 07:24 PM

We know that for better fuel efficiency and emissions then dual clutch is the way of the future. The question is - is it an inherent design flaw with VW DSG design or component problem? Whatever it is, it is a hurdle that manufacturers need to overcome and there's only so much data you can gather in a simulated environment.

If it isn't VW then it would be someone else. It's unfortunate but it is a process which they have to go through in order to improve upon existing designs.

Yeah...in the meantime, for us Malaysian, unless you are really rich and don't mind living with a piece of junk which cost you RM100K(+RM25k bank interest) which can't move after a few years while still serving loans....i think we should stay away and let the rich gwei loh be the guinea pig themselves.....

This is a clear admission the DSG gb is faulty. If it is unbale to operate under certain conditions,then it is a faulty product. It certainly needs further development. The call backs are a testament to it's defect.

As callbacks are numerous and in different countries, fixing the gb with the same designed parts is unsatisfactory. It only delays occurrence of the same problem. Research and redesigned of the defective parts is necessary.

VW owns a duty of care to customers. If by use of VW products a customer is endangered,VW will be liable to legal action. These sorts of legal actions may be rare in Bolehland,at least buyers beware!

hybrid is one thing. my example based on vios (90k) vs forte (90+k)..or honda accord (150k) vs pug 508 (155k).

Those gadgets are non-critical features...spoilt already, car still can work. No biggie. Except maybe the safety features like VSC, TSC, VAS, 6 AIRBAGS blah blah....which involves more electronics and sensors....eventually even T&H will also have to include all these safety features as it's becoming standard globally....Even Preve got more safety features than a T&H....

In Europe 6 airbags were pretty much standard in entry level C segment cars in 2002. Accord and Camry elsewhere come with 6-10 airbags as standard, and have done so for a long time.

Btw. the most reliable Toyota is supposed to be the Prius... their most advanced car.

Also, seriously, the brake failures, stuck accelerators etc. that constantly plague Toyota are IMHO way worse. This issue is mostly a problem with reliability and can cost dearly later. They shouldn't be life threatening.

to put things in perspective.

Here is the recalls of all makers
http://autos.aol.com/info/recall/
Among others are:
Chrysler To Recall 630,000 SUVs Worldwide, o6-06-2013
Nissan Recalls 841,000 Vehicles, 23 May 2013
Chrysler Recalls Almost A Half Million Jeeps, 13-05-2013
Honda Recall Affects 205,000 Vehicles, 19-04-2013
Air Bag (made by Japan Takata Group) Recall Affects 3.4 Million Cars From Several Automakers: Toyota, Honda and Nissan .11 Apr 2013
Hyundai and Kia Recall 1.9 Million Vehicles,3 Apr 2013
Honda Recalls Nearly 250,000 Vehicles Over Brake Issue, 14-03-2013
Subaru of America is recalling more than 47,000 cars and SUVs,07-03-2013
Ford is recalling 230,000 minivans,07-03-2013
BMW Recalling Nearly 570,000 Cars, 19-02-2013
Toyota Recalls 1.29 Million Vehicles For Air Bags, Wipers,30 Jan 2013
Honda Issues Major Recall For Airbag Problem (748,000 vehicles), 18-1-2013

you can read all about it if you have time. But if you would like to know the nasty ones, here is top 5 top notorious recall of all time by popular mechanics
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/...4345725#slide-1

no french???

French cars ? what do you expect? not selling in USA since 1980s, staying put in Europe , never really mass produced per se for the rest of the world. Until China...

only italians are on sale in USA

fiat 500, plenty of them in LA area

I am pretty sure there is recalls for French & Italian cars too, but in the biggers scheme of thing, since the numbers are smaller in comparisons to The American, Japanese and Germans, it becomes very tiny puny barely audible little 'pops'

Just wonder Indian cars got recall ? or Chinese even?

PSA is on position 6 or so of the worlds biggest car makers though.

But yes, they too issue recalls, of course. Maybe just not recently... Italian car makers too. Chinese I'd be sceptical... Chinese manufacturers (and their customers) seem to have a throwaway mentality. Once broken, throw away. No need to fix.

not according to Forbes

not even in top 10 also according to brands

http://www.mbaskool.com/fun-corner/top-bra...ml?limitstart=0

not according to Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/20...ding-automaker/


not even in top 10 also according to brands

http://www.mbaskool.com/fun-corner/top-bra...ml?limitstart=0

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/...0420-1xc14.html
The above show these for 2012

Forbes’ top car makers for 2012
Volkswagen – 17
Toyota – 25
Daimler – 37
Ford – 44
Honda – 59
BMW – 61
General Motors – 63
Nissan – 85
Hyundai – 96
Volvo – 183
Renault – 187
SAIC – 232
Kia – 253
Fiat – 314
Tata – 348
Dongfeng Motor Group – 450
Peugeot – 458
Suzuki – 514
Isuzu – 721
Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) – 805
Mahindra and Mahindra – 918
Mitsubishi – 1046
Mazda – 1055
Porsche – 1056
BYD – 1266
Great Wall Motors – 1476
Huayu Automotive – 1779

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jun 14 2013, 05:22 PM

That's weird. Every source is saying something different... one even had Ford behind other brands, despite the arcticle claiming they have produced more cars?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_in...By_manufacturer
But at least for 2011 PSA was on the 7th spot, Renault 9th.

The top 5 positions are dominated by VW, GM, Toyota, Ford and Hyundai. But look at the gap between Toyota and Hyundai and then Hyundai and Ford. That's how much numbers these manufacturers are pushing.

0.05% defect rate for Hyundai is definitely not the same number as 0.05% defect rate for Toyota or VW.

Forbes does not define largest purely by sales number but if u only want to look at production output . This is 2012 situation :
And I must caution u : time has changed.

The top 3 are still VW or Toyota or GM all three making output in excess of 8 mil (Toyota claimed 9.9 m) and I am not surprise with their recovery after the devastating tsunami and earthquake of 2011.

Then the next 3 spots i.e. seat no. 4 , 5 and 6 belongs to Hyundai-Kia or Ford and Nissan with output level of 5-7mil output each or thereabouts, e.g. Nissan made 4.889 mil, Hyundai-Kia at 7.12 mil and Ford a bit less at 5.67 mil

The remaining 4 spots gets interesting as it is where the 3 mil to 4 mil makers all stands a chance.

Fiat-Chrysler was a little over 4 mil at 4.2 mil took seat 7.
Honda also about 4 mil so seat 8 is taken

Can the French take 9 & 10? Afraid not, why ? the no 1 car maker in China SAIC that owns MG with output 3.6 mil took seat no. 9

2012 happened to be a bad year for PSA where output drop from 3.5 mil to 2.97mil so out they go from top 10 because another Chinese Dongfeng with 3.2 mil makes more so sit at last spot 10.

I must add it was a bad year for Renault too as output 2012 was just 2.6 mil.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jun 22 2013, 12:12 AM