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post Jun 12 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Jun 12 2013, 06:46 PM)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-12/volk...-recall/4747694

This article even mentioned engine rebuild
Mr Makris says he has had the engine rebuilt and gearbox replaced on his Golf.

Case study: Ross Gulliver owns a 2006 Passat

"We had problems over a number of years with the car cutting out when stationary. [It ] wouldn't restart.

"My wife was driving it in most of the instances and it is frightening if you have kids on board.

"I had to drag them (Volkswagen) kicking and screaming to get my car fixed and it is a 2006, with a six-speed and DSG.

"I can't see that the problem is limited to 2008 and beyond."
"I know of some people who have had up to five engines replaced. It's out of control," he said.

"It started initially with a few people, then it blew out to 40 or 50 people, and now it's in the hundreds.

"I believe the cars are very dangerous. I think the DSG (direct shift gearbox), no matter how many times they replace it, it's not going to solve the problem.

"My car's shuddering again. I think it's only a matter of time before we have another tragic fatality on the road."
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I already mentioned numerous times before....Manual gears pretending to be Auto gear is a disaster...It doesn't work (realibily). AMT, DSG....all proven cases....
Ford, VW, Renault etc....
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post Jun 13 2013, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 13 2013, 11:16 AM)
Put it this way. Technology has a curve that companies need to overcome. Toyota has invested heavily into hybrids, while VW has done other stuff. If nobody innovates, then basically it becomes a refinement and enhancement of existing technology and the Japanese have done just that with their cars. Not very interesting at all is it?

Every subsequent generation will improve upon the previous generation to give a better product. And it is always the bystanders that gains from the innovators mistakes and drawbacks, DSG gearbox is no exception to this rule.
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Agreed with innovations. ..but must weight risk and returns. Dsg is not new...started in 1980 . There are something which simply doesn't works and should be dumped. ...Malaysian buyers pay high prices for cars...almost 100k at least for these dsg cars...in the end, gets a lemon which can't sell, too expensive to fix,
or worst. ...can't fix at all going by the feedback of some owners.

I m not saying other gearbox tech has no failure rates,
It just that DSG failure is a question of when rather than "if".

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post Jun 13 2013, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Jun 13 2013, 04:21 PM)
true. more gadget..more electronics. that's why T&H is reliable..because less gadget means less problems.
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Not true at all. Even T&H cars full of electronics nowadays....especially Hybrids...got a computer under the car boot or something (which explains most hybrid car boot damn small)...But small gadgets problem...can live without...if things like auto wiper, auto aircond spoil...no problem. Just use your hand to set lah. But gearbox problem...nothing can do.

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post Jun 13 2013, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 13 2013, 08:10 PM)
We know that for better fuel efficiency and emissions then dual clutch is the way of the future. The question is - is it an inherent design flaw with VW DSG design or component problem? Whatever it is, it is a hurdle that manufacturers need to overcome and there's only so much data you can gather in a simulated environment.

If it isn't VW then it would be someone else. It's unfortunate but it is a process which they have to go through in order to improve upon existing designs.
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Yeah...in the meantime, for us Malaysian, unless you are really rich and don't mind living with a piece of junk which cost you RM100K(+RM25k bank interest) which can't move after a few years while still serving loans....i think we should stay away and let the rich gwei loh be the guinea pig themselves.....


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post Jun 14 2013, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Jun 13 2013, 10:21 PM)
hybrid is one thing. my example based on vios (90k) vs forte (90+k)..or honda accord (150k) vs pug 508 (155k).
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Those gadgets are non-critical features...spoilt already, car still can work. No biggie. Except maybe the safety features like VSC, TSC, VAS, 6 AIRBAGS blah blah....which involves more electronics and sensors....eventually even T&H will also have to include all these safety features as it's becoming standard globally....Even Preve got more safety features than a T&H....

 

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