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post Sep 24 2013, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(webwithoutwires @ Sep 23 2013, 02:11 PM)
i have googled many forums about gaming and especially about bccarat, but not really stumble upon really good strategy.

i knoow there is a get rich quck scheme that someone was tryig to sell... anyone attended? anyone can share their demo here??

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post Sep 25 2013, 11:24 AM

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see my reply there.
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anyone up ately? hows luck?
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Just sharing some interesting things are Baccarat. For discussion. I could be wrong. Just my own thoughts on the game after few mths following my friends.

1. Baccarat is a staright forward game. Once the deck is shufflled and cut. the outcomes cannot be changed by u or the dealer. no mater how u twist , rub, fold the card.. it will not change the outcome.

2. Baccarat is not a game where u try to predict outcome of every hand. u are not trying to prove that u are God of Gambler and that u can win at every hand.

more likely u come to baccarat with certain strategies that has certain believes in law of probability and chance(trends). (some "what if" rules). if the said shoes has lots of trends that conforms to your what if rules... then u will come out as winner.

if the said shoes dooesnt conform, then just wait till trends start coming up or leave the table and go to others that is showing trends.

3. Placing Right Amounts of Bets at the right time is the only thing that willl ensure u will win at the end of the shoe.

If u can place bets on the winning hand all the time, then regardless of how much u bet on each hand, u will win at the end of the shoe.

even if all of us sit at the same baccarat table and all bet on same side. meaning one buy player, all buy player. vice versa. end of every shoe, someone will win and some one will lose. a lot of people still cant comprehend this.

this is because u will not win all ur hands. Those who places low bets on losing hand and higher bets on wining hands will end up walking away with some winings. vice versa.

Hope to get some interesting feedback on this




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QUOTE(webwithoutwires @ Sep 26 2013, 12:30 PM)
Just sharing some interesting things are Baccarat. For discussion. I could be wrong. Just my own thoughts on the game after few mths following my friends.

1. Baccarat is a staright forward game. Once the deck is shufflled and cut. the outcomes cannot be changed by u or the dealer. no mater how u twist , rub, fold the card.. it will not change the outcome.

2. Baccarat is not a game where u try to predict outcome of every hand. u are not trying to prove that u are God of Gambler and that u can win at every hand.

more likely u come to baccarat with certain strategies that has certain believes in law of probability and chance(trends). (some "what if" rules). if the said shoes has lots of trends that conforms to your what if rules... then u will come out as winner.

if the said shoes dooesnt conform, then just wait till trends start coming up or leave the table and go to others that is showing trends.

3. Placing Right Amounts of Bets at the right time is the only thing that willl ensure u will win at the end of the shoe.

If u can place bets on the winning hand all the time, then regardless of how much u bet on each hand, u will win at the end of the shoe.

even if all of us sit at the same baccarat table and all bet on same side. meaning one buy player, all buy player. vice versa. end of every shoe, someone will win and some one will lose. a lot of people still cant comprehend this.

this is because u will not win all ur hands. Those who places low bets on losing hand and higher bets on wining hands will end up walking away with some winings. vice versa.

Hope to get some interesting feedback on this
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boils down to 2 things only..

BET SELECTION
there was once an interesting strategy way back in previous version in which you bet the opposite of the trend

CAPITAL MANAGEMENT

thats why banggla my fav game

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post Sep 26 2013, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(hightechgadgets8 @ Sep 26 2013, 12:45 PM)
boils down to 2 things only..

BET SELECTION
there was once an interesting strategy way back in previous version in which you bet the opposite of the trend

CAPITAL MANAGEMENT

thats why banggla my fav game
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ok.. but am sure u will need more than one tye of what if rule.

usually we have a set of rules that we abide with. and there is a what if to deal with almost every situation. the outocme of the what ifs are usually negative, where we choose to not place any bets for the next hand. we will only place bets when the what if tells us taht a trend is going on and there is more than 50% liekly hood the outcome will be correct.

there are times when the what if tells us that the next hand is likely to be 85% or more likely to come out. we would then bet up to 10 folds teh initiial amount. it can be two times or 5 times dependig on the trend at the current table and on gut feel.

if table outcome differs. then u can say its going to be a bad day. haha

stop for the moment or look for otehr tables.
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QUOTE(webwithoutwires @ Sep 26 2013, 02:16 PM)
ok.. but am sure u will need more than one tye of what if rule.

usually we have a set of rules that we abide with. and there is a what if to deal with almost every situation. the outocme of the what ifs are usually negative, where we choose to not place any bets for the next hand. we will only place bets when the what if tells us taht a trend is going on and there is more than 50% liekly hood the outcome will be correct.

there are times when the what if tells us that the next hand is likely to be 85% or more likely to come out. we would then bet up to 10 folds teh initiial amount. it can be two times or 5 times dependig on the trend at the current table and on gut feel.

if table outcome differs. then u can say its going to be a bad day. haha

stop for the moment or look for otehr tables.
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agree with you. usually if having a bad day.... taking a lunch/dinner/food break does makes wonders
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Gamblers altitude is always the followings

Need to have alot guts, luck and not afraid of winning/losing. as seen alot of gamblers with alot of capital but dont dare to bet. the capital is for showing off /self relief/ mentality thinking if losing still got capital. even when winning trend dont dare to bet. even if a bank/banker with tons of $$ sit besides a gambler also no use. scare to loss, tension, pressure and even worst borrow money more pressure

No use putting a few millions $$ on the table but gamble min. cant win much $$. the higher the bet the more pressure there is bcos gambler cannot lose altitude. Unless the gambler have that kind of extra $$ to loss. even if have also will have heart sick when losing. eg bring 10k capital bet only rm10 each round. scare to loss. no use wasting time better dont gamble. like playing with a kid go home sleep better. the appetite of the gambler have become bigger n bigger thru out the gambling period or in time to come.

When winning streak/trend gamble little by little but when losing trend/streak bet like nobody business want to win back. no need to drink/sleep etc also can

House have most advantage against the gambler eg odds, capital, many of tables to cover the % losing table.

eg capital rm100k bet small but loss almost 20%-50% of it capital. Sure the gambler will bet more to recover the 20%-50% back or else how to win back betting small. percentage is very slim bcos the gamblers luck is no good, sure will loss more if gamble long. Gamblers mentality to win back capital might as well in the first place dont gamble at all. Wasting time to break even. Just to please one self just to breakeven after going thru hardcore gambling and gain nothing in their heart.

Alot of free gifts, hotels, food, shows, transport etc to attract gamblers up to genting to gamble. majority of gamblers cant resist the temptation especially in casino to gamble.

The house have plenty of business and capital to cover their losses. but gamblers dont have that kind of income.

there is no device to see a person luck what time or day is good and can win $$. up and down. Genting wants gamblers to gamble more and longer period. in the long run their winning is higher

Gamblers mentality winning little sure not enough sure will come back sooner or later. GREED. BY winning little wont get the person rich

Another gamblers weak points is influence/fengshui/ nuisance habits thats happen around the casino. no fighting spirit and tired. always eliminate yr own weakness before going to battle. Have seen gamblers running all over the place still lose. changing place here n there. Funny thing is when they go off, the dealer start to lose but the gambler is not there bcos have move to other table or place. The dealer not always ONG, its just timing. when the gambler ran out of $$, the dealers start to lose but the gambler have no $$ to gamble already

Have to think ahead of what the house is planning and counter attack its weakness. like fighting a unpredictable war. random vs randomless. imagine over millions of gamblers gamble in casino, majority % all lose in the long run. just writeoff losing debt
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So with calm mind can win the casino? Any specific game strategy.
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QUOTE(neowing @ Sep 26 2013, 04:10 PM)
So with calm mind can win the casino? Any specific game strategy.
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Haha bro

No la. Just that if u let ur emotions take over u sure at losing end. Once u cannot control ur emotion u will f8nd it hard to stick to original game plan and u will bot onow when to stop.

U will likely dig urself in a big hole. Whne u sober up. U wont know how to get out of


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post Sep 26 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(neowing @ Sep 26 2013, 04:10 PM)
So with calm mind can win the casino? Any specific game strategy.
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The only way to win the casino is not playing at the first place.

Casino spends money to get you in and you don't go, means you already have +ve money flow since casino is not making money off you flex.gif
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QUOTE(webwithoutwires @ Sep 26 2013, 05:06 PM)
Haha bro

No la. Just that if u let ur emotions take over u sure at losing end. Once u cannot control ur emotion u will f8nd it hard to stick to original game plan and u will bot onow when to stop.

U will likely dig urself in a big hole. Whne u sober up. U wont know how to get out of
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Oh i see. Me myself not expert also. But want to share minor observation which improved my luck and mood tremendously. I have more winning bets in casino. Not all time win but when lose i able to control myself better than in the past. I make myself comfortable as possible.

(1) Abnormal man urine bowl in casino
If u observe carefully, most urine bowl is shaped like a kid urine bowl where the bowl where u "shee shee" is collect urinE on the floor not those planted halfway to the wall - where yoU can spray nicely on the bowl. I think casino want to make gamblers pee over our shoes for bad luck. KNS Genting I know ur dirty trick.
Solution: Pee outside the casino or pee inside the individual toilet room.

(2) Serving free lousy drink and only Coffee - not Milo.

Coffee make u more alert. This cibaikia Genting want u all to sleepy also gamble until lose all ur money. Milo which can make u sleep better - need to buy.
Solution: Spend just few ringgit to buy better drinks to calm your emotion. If u can gamble RM 50/100 PER BET, shud be able to spend on drinks.

(3) Condition in casino
Smoky and cold to make you lose your calm.

Solution: Pandai2 siam smoky place and wear sufficient to casino.

(4) Unfriendly dealer and dealer with strong "sat hei"

Believe it or not, gambling depends on your "sat hei" (killing power). If the dealer killing power is stronger than yours, you will lose. THOSE HEAVY SAT HEI Dealers are those with ***** face N LIKE WANT TO makan you alive. You should find a table with a rather WEAK and SLEEPY looking dealer and play.



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post Sep 27 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(neowing @ Sep 26 2013, 07:14 PM)
Oh i see. Me myself not expert also. But want to share minor observation which improved my luck and mood tremendously. I have more winning bets in casino. Not all time win but when lose i able to control myself better than in the past. I make myself comfortable as possible.

(1) Abnormal man urine bowl in casino
If u observe carefully, most urine bowl is shaped like a kid urine bowl where the bowl where u "shee shee" is collect urinE on the floor not those planted halfway to the wall - where yoU can spray nicely on the bowl. I think casino want to make gamblers pee over our shoes for bad luck. KNS Genting  I know ur dirty trick.
Solution: Pee outside the casino or pee inside the individual toilet room.

(2) Serving free lousy drink and only Coffee  - not Milo.

Coffee make u more alert. This cibaikia Genting want u all to sleepy also gamble until lose all ur money. Milo which can make u sleep better - need to buy.
Solution: Spend just few ringgit to buy better drinks to calm your emotion. If u can gamble RM 50/100 PER BET, shud be able to spend on drinks.

(3) Condition in casino
Smoky and cold to make you lose your calm.

Solution: Pandai2 siam smoky place and wear sufficient to casino.

(4) Unfriendly dealer and dealer with strong "sat hei"

Believe it or not, gambling depends on your "sat hei" (killing power). If the dealer killing power is stronger than yours, you will lose. THOSE HEAVY SAT HEI Dealers are those with ***** face N LIKE WANT TO makan you alive. You should find a table with a rather WEAK and SLEEPY looking dealer and play.
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erm not sure what to say on this. but if all these makes u feel confident, do continue.

like i say, we like baccarat, cause its all set. we want to discuss startegies and method that can chnage teh outcome of wining or losing. no point discussing things that we cannot change.

u can influence the card outcome when u cut the deck. or when u ask the dealer to stack teh decka again before u cut. but once inside the machine. u cannot change teh outcome.

as we always play with set of rules. luck dun come into play so much. just weather the shoe correspond ot t ur trends or not? if dun correspond, walk away. did u know that in GC or Maxims, if u dun like the shooe, u can ask teh dealer to start new game and shuffe new deck??

all these adds up to u having good odds if ur patient enough.
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QUOTE(webwithoutwires @ Sep 27 2013, 11:53 AM)
erm not sure what to say on this. but if all these makes u feel confident, do continue.

like i say, we like baccarat, cause its all set. we want to discuss startegies and method that can chnage teh outcome of wining or losing. no point discussing things that we cannot change.

u can influence the card outcome when u cut the deck. or when u ask the dealer to stack teh decka again before u cut. but once inside the machine. u cannot change teh outcome.

as we always play with set of rules. luck dun come into play so much. just weather the shoe correspond ot t ur trends or not? if dun correspond, walk away.  did u know that in GC or Maxims, if u dun like the shooe, u can ask teh dealer to start new game and shuffe new deck??

all these adds up to u having good odds if ur patient enough.
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Dont think got so many GC members here, anyways if there is someone one the table, the dealer still deals. You can still hold your bet, right? Speaking of trends, we use to refer to PPPPPPPPPP as dragons and BPBPBPBPBPBPB as ding dong

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QUOTE(hightechgadgets8 @ Sep 27 2013, 12:11 PM)
Dont think got so many GC members here, anyways if there is someone one the table, the dealer still deals. You can still hold your bet, right? Speaking of trends, we use to refer to PPPPPPPPPP as dragons and BPBPBPBPBPBPB as ding dong
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yes. as long as someone places a bet, the play will go on. in a normal shoe, there will be ard 72 hands.
if one hand takes 15 mins guess how long it will take to finish the whole shoe.

when u can do free games. its all just face up cards by the dealers. very fast. less than one minute per hand.


same - dragons, ping pong, second liners, sky scapers.. general terminology in baaccarat.
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post Sep 27 2013, 03:19 PM

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My suggestion is read up www.wizardofodds.com

Plenty of info there. No hocus pocus stuff like SAT HEI or urine bowl shapes (no offense intended). Pure statistics involved.

While trends are a thing, it only works HINDSIGHT, means you only see the trend AFTER it happens. Even card counting doesn't get you any advantage. You will still win only 47-48 hands out of 100 in average if you stick to one side

What makes baccarat so favorite amongst gamblers is because they THINK it can be beaten by monitoring trends, dragons, din dong, etc while in reality, you can't beat the game. Think about it, if the game can be beaten by not cheating, don't you think that the casino would have removed this game a long time ago? It has the ILLUSION of can be beaten.

Just my 2 cents. While I'm not against gambling as a friendly activity, one will easily succumb into it. So many men lost money so that a handful can be super rich. Doesn't it sound similar to pyramid scheme?
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 27 2013, 03:19 PM)
My suggestion is read up www.wizardofodds.com

Plenty of info there. No hocus pocus stuff like SAT HEI or urine bowl shapes (no offense intended). Pure statistics involved.

While trends are a thing, it only works HINDSIGHT, means you only see the trend AFTER it happens. Even card counting doesn't get you any advantage. You will still win only 47-48 hands out of 100 in average if you stick to one side

What makes baccarat so favorite amongst gamblers is because they THINK it can be beaten by monitoring trends, dragons, din dong, etc while in reality, you can't beat the game. Think about it, if the game can be beaten by not cheating, don't you think that the casino would have removed this game a long time ago? It has the ILLUSION of can be beaten.

Just my 2 cents. While I'm not against gambling as a friendly activity, one will easily succumb into it. So many men lost money so that a handful can be super rich. Doesn't it sound similar to pyramid scheme?
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HAHA, Ok.
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Baccarat results are random n u cant predict them for sure.

There is always sonething called coincidence. Trends are coincidences. The we put in some things like statistical probability that the trend is happening and when it will stop.

This is the what if staretegy i am talking about.


Lets say if sequence is PPBBPPB what would u predict the next outcome is?

And lets say u predict B and it hold true.

Would u bet on next 2 hands onPP or u wait for PPB to happen before placing a huge amount of bet on B as next outcome?

This are strategies that one can employ. Again no gurantee wins but a guide that is based on coincidence.

Coincidences have life span as well. What do u believe if the common life span of a trend? 4 , 5 or 6 repetitions?

Again just sharing . No one will have a 100% strategy tagt works with alll shoes.

So far with this I was ahead 16k. But lost back 19k in last 2 outings. Nett lost 3k


QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 27 2013, 03:19 PM)
My suggestion is read up www.wizardofodds.com

Plenty of info there. No hocus pocus stuff like SAT HEI or urine bowl shapes (no offense intended). Pure statistics involved.

While trends are a thing, it only works HINDSIGHT, means you only see the trend AFTER it happens. Even card counting doesn't get you any advantage. You will still win only 47-48 hands out of 100 in average if you stick to one side

What makes baccarat so favorite amongst gamblers is because they THINK it can be beaten by monitoring trends, dragons, din dong, etc while in reality, you can't beat the game. Think about it, if the game can be beaten by not cheating, don't you think that the casino would have removed this game a long time ago? It has the ILLUSION of can be beaten.

Just my 2 cents. While I'm not against gambling as a friendly activity, one will easily succumb into it. So many men lost money so that a handful can be super rich. Doesn't it sound similar to pyramid scheme?
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post Sep 27 2013, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(webwithoutwires @ Sep 27 2013, 07:42 PM)
Baccarat results are random n u cant predict them for sure.

There is always sonething called coincidence. Trends are coincidences. The we put in some things like statistical probability that the trend is happening and when it will stop.

This is the what if staretegy i am talking about.
Lets say if sequence is PPBBPPB what would u predict the next outcome is?

And lets say u predict B and it hold true.

Would u bet on next 2 hands onPP or u wait for PPB to happen before placing a huge amount of bet on B as next outcome?

This are strategies that one can employ. Again no gurantee wins but a guide that is based on coincidence.

Coincidences have life span as well. What do u believe if the common life span of a trend? 4 , 5 or 6 repetitions?

Again just sharing . No one will have a 100% strategy tagt works with alll shoes.

So far with this I was ahead 16k. But lost back 19k in last 2 outings. Nett lost 3k
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That's why the casino is not afraid that you win a lot or come back with strategies or bigger capital or feng shui master or whatever good luck charm.

The only thing that they are scared of is YOU DON'T COME BACK....
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post Sep 27 2013, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 27 2013, 07:55 PM)
That's why the casino is not afraid that you win a lot or come back with strategies or bigger capital or feng shui master or whatever good luck charm.

The only thing that they are scared of is YOU DON'T COME BACK....
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Haha if tgey afraid they w9bt open casino hahah
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QUOTE(webwithoutwires @ Sep 27 2013, 08:30 PM)
Haha if tgey afraid they w9bt open casino hahah
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Haha, they can't force you to come, they can only entice you. GP, free rooms, comps, women, booze, free tickets.....all are traps laid out by the casino so that you will visit them. Then when you inevitably step into the casino...BOOM, they got ya

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