Been reading this thread with interest. like n agree with some people here. guess lets not talk about moral of gambling and stuff, as long as u gamble within ur means after ur have taken care of ur future savings.. then should be cool.

i dun really gamble but been to casinos with some high rollers, the perspective u gain as a player at the table and a spectator is totally diff. i can never fathom the mind of a gambler and will nvr try to . i know there is no way they can stop their addiction.

from a medical scientific point of view, the euphoria that a gambler gets when he is winning and simply at the table with other gamblers witnessing miracles being made, it far out weights the regrets when they feel after losing all their monies. they will want to repent and quit but once their hands on money... tehy will start to la the next trip.

this doesnt just apply t gambling... same goes to drinking, womanzing, drugs etc.

soem peple caan stay away from this is because they can create their own euphoria at other things... some sports, some career, some being in a group or maybe just beig in a church gorup.

the same euphoria is teh drving force that makes champions, taht makes someone feel great after achievg somethng.

for gamblers.. something in their brains always craze this feeling.. am sure all of u have seen gamblers at a table behaving like kids . laughing and doing crazy things.. cheering and lauging as if their fav football team has just scored a last minute goal and making them woorld cup champions.

this all are unsuall reactios that u will get from them in their daily lives , but ths is what sets them free from the daily boredom f routine.

Just hope that people understand and see things from diff perspeectives.

I always like the idea of viewing gambers against other gamblers. stark cotrast wil be european / westen gamblers against asians. asians tend to give gambling a snese of evil while europeans make baccarat a game of high society. i always like the baccarat scene form james bond movies...

here in asian casinos.. i have yet to meet someone who pays its withut losing their character.


anyway, hope to share tots with u guys on interestiing topics about gambling.

like i said, just sharing a diff perspective on gambling. everyone has a yard stick and depends on individuals what is meant by gambling large amounts of cash? to me RM 1k is large amount but to some people one hand of baccarat is RM 10k and some others RM 100k is norm.

to some of us , we figure that business is about golfing and having a few drinks at night clubs to strengthening the relationship. but there are some who figure high end casinos is an alternative to this. example Genting Club, u join this and u have an exclusive club to entertain your guests. and over a few games of baccarat you can mingle and socialize over a bottle of wine or champagne if you like. The Genting Club is actually targeted at corporate individuals.

You can bring your spouse and invite your associates or potential business partners to join the club. if you dont mind, you can pay for their membership fee of RM 20k to smooth things. there is nothing sleazy or unhealthy about Genting Club, its the people who go there, whether they go there to just gamble their lives away or its a place for them to socialise and rub shoulders with the elite.

did u know, the last party organised at Genting Club for its members was Lamborghini night where they play host to the Sg Chapter. The whole entourage of more than 30 cars came to Genting and partied in Genting Club. BTW i believe the current Ms Malaysia is ambassador of Genting Club.

Genting Club against the rest of Genting Casinos. This is exclusive to Genting Club members and Platinum car members. Unllike Maxims (formerly Elite Club), F&B in Genting Club is chargeable. There is a modern stage and theater seating arrangement to enjoy the band and a fusion cafe at the back. To hard core gamblers, the environment is too dark and too noisy. u even have to pay for food (they are accustomed to getting great food for free).

at Genting Club, the chairs at the gaming tables are not comfortable for sitting long periods of time. the most important element i figure, there are less runners in GC. Runners in VIP n Maxims that offers insurance at baccarrat tables turns the place into a night market. In GC, the management strictly forbids runners from doing insurance at baccarat tables.


we can never stop anyone from gambling, but hope that they view and change their style of play into something social and change the mindset that the euphoria is not form gaming but from the social status and group activities in high end casinos.

am here to share info and discuss ideas, not to discuss individuals.

min bet at baccarat in GC rm1k. GC condition pay rm20k but only RM 1k is admin fee. RM 19k can take out as NN chips. Just pass to friend to roll.. get back money liao. (i tell my friend i will bet on his behalf everytime he wants to up his bet. use my chips so i can get back cash chip haha)

for RM 1k what u get is one night stay and limo u genting. invites t events. during events u can invite one friend wh is just a regular genting card member. usually during events free flow drinks.

gamblers are always talking about odds. how to increase odds? play in GC and Maxims where u can have free games, meaning if you cant see the trend, just keep ask the dealer deal without putting any bets. continue until trend comes again.

if u dun like , u can even ask them start new shoe when u feel the current shoe doesnt offer u any good trends. can ask for change dealer as well, or ask for gal dealers only.

from the start i mentioned, i dun really gamble. just follow people who gamble big.

Sharing an interesting fact

if all of us sit at the same baccarat table and all bet on same side. meaning one buy player, all buy player. vice versa. end of every shoe, someone will win and some one will lose. a lot of people still cant comprehend this.

you have good understanding of gaming and the pit falls.

Not sure actual ruling on who qualifies to join. But its targeted at corp people like golf memebership.

There is back door application since they know a manager there.

Room n limo one time. If u high roller u can always accumulate enough points to get limo rides.

Correct. U just have to roll the nn chips one time. U can do it in one day . One mth . Or one year. Up to u.
Sec9nd year onwards put in 10k. Same shit.

i think no need big gamblers la. u guys just help each oher lo. gang up and do for each of u one at a time. sure can one.


This post has been edited by webwithoutwires: Sep 19 2013, 04:58 PM

thats why i am here too..

have loads of theory inside y head. trying to get insights from others so that we try not to fall into them oursleves.

everything in life i guess its the same, dont abuse. learn from other people experience rather than having to walk through the urself. save u all the pain and not t mention the money.

hope to share some of my own theory and have feed back and perspectives form others.

just imagine u join sweat club for one year la. haha

NN chips same as those Casino Rebate Programs used by Genting Players and only can be used in VIP, Maxims, GC and Genting Grand private rooms.

anyone who is on casino rebate program can use those chips. to egt ot teh program, u need to check in RM 75k evrymonth when u open trip. There is 1% rebate on ur rolling.

for this GC memeber , i think they just want to see u roll the 19k urself. the lop hole is get ur friends help lo. i use my chips n their behalf.. as they play cash chip. they dun mind la.. after all 1% of 19k is not much t them. they rather win big.

as long as u hold the chips and dont drop it. its leagal tender in gening as long as they didnt recall the type of chips due to fraud or anything.

u will get too.

think of it as a second level of bonus. if u can roll rm75k a mth, they will gve u additional bonus on the total roll. thats why u hear those players always calling "House Rolling"

if u can roll more than rM 250k a mth there is additional too.

u can view this as better odds for u. in baccarat we alwyas say banker has higher percentage. meaning out of 100 games ard 9 games are tie and banker will win ard 48 games rest is player. and if ur on this program , ur win rate will be 1% higher. haha - dunno if this is correct

ok. share with u

what ur describing is

a) genting have file on all players . the table supervisor will be in charge of inputing player detais, bets , win lose for player ratings

b) now anyone buying in more than rm10k must produce identification. and if u play in VIP they have what is called the perfect bet eletronic system. only seated players will get rating on their bets. if u stand, ur bet is taken as teh seated palyer bet.


Now if ur a cash player not under Junlet or Casina rebate program, then obviously u cant play using those chips. if u need to, they can concert u into those programs and u can use eitehr junket or casino rebate NN chips.

Some players just use cash chip and they have a better cash rebate program.

Just talk to teh Genting guys and gal on the casino floor. they can help u



the pit people dun care, tehy will just reject u and tell u , u cant do this and cant do that.. haha

just live with it

on those private rooms. u can get one room just to urself . some rooms have one or two baccarat tables.

this is another way of increasing ur % of winning. ( this need some kind of detailed explaination. haha)

for a room. u can play in it for 2 to 3 days, u need to check in min RM 3 million to RM 5 million depending on room.

offering another perspective.. no arguments here. business is great way!!!

what my friends think ok.. not me ya.

they have successful businesses taht their dad left them. off n on they look for projects which have big returns.
these are not highly educated people, and no matter what they do.. they wont get an invite to pavarotti concert by YTL.

these people drive big cars , wear designer goods.. but just wont make it to high society even they rub shoulders with ministers etc.

this is shared by one of my friends.. he goes to genting and get pampered. what he needs to do is.. go once a week. he doesnt aim to win big, just ensure he doesnt lose. he just wants to roll ard rm1m per month. and he has additional rm 10k pocket money. or he can afford to lose rm10k lo.

for me i cant afford to roll so much, neither can i afford to lose rm10k la.

but to him, he is used to taht life style. he can get rooms free, concert tickets. eat good stuff for free.

he is not really there to gamble, but to socialise. meet others and brig other there to have fun.

he is very patient and he has some good strategies when he plays. its not easy but he has found his pace.
i am there to make up the numbers and the crowd when we go drink n party after gaming. haha

not advocating anything. but i like his style. this is more like european gaming mentality.

those i think are BNM ruling on money laundering.

Yes ur right, just change few times less than rm10k an du dun have to produce.

But then again, u win money in Genting of course u want to produce ur IC and get a Genting Cheque. haha
Free tax one ma.haha

i give u the manager name . u can go n tell him to screw them up. hahah

they are so desperate to sell the GC membership. RM 1000 per pax x 1000 pax. RM 1m baby.

although maybe just cover 2% of renovation cost but still good money ma.

now genting no more theme park, have to attract other crowds.


having said taht. the 1000 pax that joined, genting just need 200 of them to play in a big way. hahah the rest they dun care much. after all, everything in Genting Cllub is payable. no FOC.

Events have suiyee sponsors. the beer n whiskey people will see to it

last time its Maxim / Elite / VIP now there is GC, GG private rooms, Maxims VIP

Maxims used to be for important people who dunwan to bump into commoners ie, rockstar ka govet officers from other countries ka etc. its by invite and some plats can enter.

elite, as long as u have plat can enter.


now GG its all private rooms and no more common gaming area. 2nd floor used to have common gamig area and 4 rooms. 3rd floor have a10 private rooms. if u can check in rm3 to 5 m u can use the rooms.

same min rm 1k bet. u can order some food from menu in teh room. some are foc.

Again, how many private clubs in KL can u join for RM1k a year? if u deduct one night stay n limo, the cost to u is ard rm 500 only.

u get invited to events, so far already 2 times.

its a good place for having a drink etc. the bands are international band. if u club one night at something like this in kl , will cost u few hundred.

although having said taht everything is payable. u can use points. anything to do with points.. its cheap

its cheaper to drink a pint of Hoegarden in GC than outside.. haha

absolutely right.

he only brings rm20k onto the table, he has another 30k in pocket, but at any time he needs to pull in resources, he has signed blank cheque with genting. thhy will allow him credit. quite large credit. doesnt mean he hasnt got the money but as a convenience.

he needs the extra cash in his play strategy.

if u analyse his strategy then u know, u need deep pockets just to break even. u cant expect bring small knife n cut big tree. u will always end up losing more than u can ever imagine.

after having said all these...

just want to bring things back to perspective..

my friend aims not to lose... but these 2 mths genting has been very fierce

last mth i think he down rm 20 to 30k. but oevrall still win la

until now , just for this mth think he is still behind. but not sure how much

when will he stop?? i didnt dare ask him. did cross my mind, but.... pantang haha