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> Lahad Datu Stand-off. v11[Serious], Kampung Tanduo will be closed for good.

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magi
post Mar 25 2013, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 25 2013, 11:18 PM)
u are soooooo stupid
even in iraq & afghanistan,always got children casualties from civilian side
blame the terrorst lah,why bring their childdren here,we already give them 3 weeks to buzz off during the nego
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and its ok with you?
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 11:17 PM)
a computer game as your point of reference? a game where you can play rambo to your hearts content? doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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1. It's a live-fire zone. u kena tembak memang padan muka.
2. If u r commander, do u risk sending men into areas where they can be easily ambushed, or u take the safer option - bring the whole place down - at the potential cost of civilian casualty?
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 11:20 PM)
sebenarnya media quote dari Panglima Angkatan Tentera Jen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin. takkan salah kot.
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Memang tak salah pun, cuma seperti yang ko sendiri tengok, 1 media sebut pasal ada kanak-kanak, satu lagi takde.
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 02:21 PM)
what the hell???

yang mati, bapak, emak, anak lelaki, anak perempuan. parah, anak lelaki.

apa askar kita buat?

too scared to send recce team to properly check? just blast the house from all sides?

i blame our media for hyping the sulu soldiers using black magic, got magical powers, need to be shot ten times only die bla bla bla... our soldiers became scared to come face to face with those sulu suspects.

cehhh...shame on our army. with all the fierce commando pictures......bullshit! pondan!!!!!
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during combat, u dont check. it's all muscle memory and tactical training. it's the red zone. there was no reason to believe that there are children around. the enemy combatants moved from one house to the other. from our perspective, there's no difference from the first house to the next - they're all shelters.

just so happen that the last house they entered were the ones with children. shots were fired to clear the house. remember, there's no reason to suspect anyone else apart from the two idiots were in the house. we didnt even know that there were food supplies stored there.

the two adults drew fire to a house with 3 children. stupid idea, since they kept returning fire from that house. and even more stupid, since the house is just timber house with paper thin walls.
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 11:21 PM)
and its ok with you?
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yup its ok coz its their parents fault (their parents got fully armed too) bring their child in war...u got problem with that?
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diorang sanggup menggunakan wanita dan kanak2 sebagai human shield bro, our forces x boleh buat ape2 sekiranya mereka ditembak atau tertembak kerana mereka semua ini berada di dalam red zone.
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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 03:20 PM)
sebenarnya media quote dari Panglima Angkatan Tentera Jen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin. takkan salah kot.
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media is just as accurate as the person reporting it. and they dont report it at the same time. some report as soon as they got the source, others wait and compile it into a justifiable story.

the first guy just reported 4 lanun killed. he didnt have time to check who the lanuns are.

the 2nd guy checked, and then published his report.

is that too hard to compute? or are u just thick?
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Mar 25 2013, 11:24 PM)
diorang sanggup menggunakan wanita dan kanak2 sebagai human shield bro, our forces x boleh buat ape2 sekiranya mereka ditembak atau tertembak kerana mereka semua ini berada di dalam red zone.
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dan Panglima Angkatan Tentera Jen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin pun kata.....empat orang lanun mati ditembak.
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 25 2013, 11:25 PM)
media is just as accurate as the person reporting it. and they dont report it at the same time. some report as soon as they got the source, others wait and compile it into a justifiable story.

the first guy just reported 4 lanun killed. he didnt have time to check who the lanuns are.

the 2nd guy checked, and then published his report.

is that too hard to compute? or are u just thick?
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say that to Panglima Angkatan Tentera Jen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin. he was the one saying four lanun dead. if you read the papers, they are all consistent in this.
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 11:26 PM)
dan Panglima Angkatan Tentera Jen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin pun kata.....empat orang lanun mati ditembak.
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Yang dimana laporan yang sama juga mengatakan bahawa yang empat lanun tu terdiri daripada 2 dewasa dan 2 kanak kanak. Itu pun susah nak paham ke?
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:30 PM

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On Live TV , they mention the whole incident , every details include the fatalities.
It's someone else fault mention something else.
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 11:27 PM)
say that to Panglima Angkatan Tentera Jen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin. he was the one saying four lanun dead. if you read the papers, they are all consistent in this.
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our force are not trigger-happy la noob, polis & army countless of times asked these armed intruders to surrender yet they refused,
summore those bring women & children also same dont want to surrender themselves,so what u gonna do?ask them politely while on the same time these selfish parents are fully armed & ready to shot back to our force?of course there's dilemma here but nothing can be done since THEIR PARENTS CARRY DEADLY WEAPONS & WILL SHOOT TO KILL TOWARDS OUR FORCE,simple as that....so hard to compute it in your pea brain?
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:32 PM

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Senang cerita /k/, dalam red zone either you shoot or to be shoot.
Jgnlah kita bertekak dgn perkataan yang kureng baik. Jgnlah salahkan pasukan keselamatan kita sebab nyawa mereka dihujung senjata. Bah kita continue with correct manners.

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now this thread is alive again.... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 03:27 PM)
say that to Panglima Angkatan Tentera Jen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin. he was the one saying four lanun dead. if you read the papers, they are all consistent in this.
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no. read again. newspaper report, published by different people, different time, different publication.

what we know for sure is that the newspaper consistently quoted him. but we do not know for sure if they quoted the exact same thing, or two different announcements by the same person. if u put it in a timeline, u'll understand better how journalism works.

for example, the general, with minimal information, made an announcement that 4 lanun shot dead at 12pm.
+ journalist A published immediately.
+ journalist B waited for further story.

3 hours later (at 3pm), the same general made another announcement, now saying 2 of the people shot dead were kids.
+ journalist A did not publish because of his publication window was up.
+ journalist B published this new information.

see?
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Mar 25 2013, 11:28 PM)
Yang dimana laporan yang sama juga mengatakan bahawa yang empat lanun tu terdiri daripada 2 dewasa dan 2 kanak kanak. Itu pun susah nak paham ke?
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remember that day when our men shot at a movement in the bushes by the roadside, and a man and a 15 year old boy died? both unarmed!

our army of hundreds, with all the support of modern weaponry. i would expect them to have better operational methods to weed out the sulu gunmen, not be itchy fingers and shoot at movements in the bushes. dont ask me how to better do it, i did not study in west point, but our generals should have proven tactics already in front of them.


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post Mar 25 2013, 11:38 PM

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so enlighten us what you want to do magi? give your opinion.... wink.gif
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:38 PM

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Red Zone = Free-fire zone ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-fire_zone
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post Mar 25 2013, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 11:35 PM)
remember that day when our men shot at a movement in the bushes by the roadside, and a man and a 15 year old boy died? both unarmed!

our army of hundreds, with all the support of modern weaponry. i would expect them to have better operational methods to weed out the sulu gunmen, not be itchy fingers and shoot at movements in the bushes. dont ask me how to better do it, i did not study in west point, but our generals should have proven tactics already in front of them.
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woi bodo
countless of time edi said,its a redzone,either shoot or being shoot

our force alrady announce countless times TO SURRENDER OPENLY & NOT TO HIDE IN THE BUSHES/HOUSES WITHIN RED ZONES

yeah pea brain sudah rosak

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QUOTE(magi @ Mar 25 2013, 11:35 PM)
remember that day when our men shot at a movement in the bushes by the roadside, and a man and a 15 year old boy died? both unarmed!

our army of hundreds, with all the support of modern weaponry. i would expect them to have better operational methods to weed out the sulu gunmen, not be itchy fingers and shoot at movements in the bushes. dont ask me how to better do it, i did not study in west point, but our generals should have proven tactics already in front of them.
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lol ini memang keyboard warrior sejati.


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