hi all, been hearing lots bout bad developers , messy construction, bad finishing and etc..
is there any in particular that u know of and please kindly share ??
at least potential buyers could b more wary and have a peace of mind..

This post has been edited by kennethdw: Mar 12 2013, 03:56 AM

Villamas?

+1

Anything from MKland - don't buy.

Super bad developer!!!!

Talam?

how about Binastra? anyone know?

They had been a always a main contractor for some developers and recently they had huge number of big projects coming in. Should be a reliable main contractor in Bukit Jalil. Let's see how they fare for the KM 1 West where they are the main con for Berjaya.

Are you the agent for Binastra multi SOHO projects, approx 1000 units in Cyberjaya? ( As per your signature )

Yes, I am but 354 units only, only Block A exclusive for my company .
My client asking me how is the Developer, i also dont know how to answer, i'm new people also.

This post has been edited by Cutieweiyi: Mar 3 2013, 01:41 PM

MKLAND

MK Land so bad?

Im not sure also..
wait till the latest ONE Damansara VP and see anyone complain or not.....

Juta Permai (M) Sdn.Bhd.

Makna Prima, very very bad after sales. Con me introduction fee, rebate etc. When selling says no need all director's signature, manager everything then after completed when i wanna claim rebate, they say cannot.

Then Management they choose is very very bad. I complain about fixing my shoplot, after a few months still didnt rectify problem, then after 1 year change management, then have to complain again, then say they need time to complete the older units 1st.

After 1.5 years, no more developer's warranty. I had to do it my self. I could wait and complain but Tenant already moving in. So i had to pay myself. To make things worse, i took the Management's guy contractor and paid him a few thousand to get my unit fixed.

Then later when i wanna sell, i cant sell because my unit is declared under bumi quota. After complaining, they say its not Bumi Lot, just the area reached the quota.

Really, just avoid this. IDK how they will manage The Avare at KLCC. I have >7 properties, this is by far the worst.

Oic. Maybe you can create a thread here and put on the development info.

Hmm, perhaps you should ask your boss since they are the one who liaise with the Binastra?

Binastra is long time main construction company, like abt 30 years, but I just known that they became property developer, notably apartments and factories, especially in the area of Serdang / Seri Kembangan ( if I am not mistaken ) and of course, it will takes time for them to become a reputable developer.

With the number of business they received as contractor, I think they are being a trusted contractor and developer. Their latest project was The Park @ Bukit Serdang and Green Terrain, Cheras as developer. If Berjaya willing to appoint them to become their main con for high end KM 1 West, I think it looks good. And heard, the bosses have to stop receiving some incoming projects in view of worry unable to handle so many projects at a same time or cause the delay for it's clients. Financial wise, they are very strong.

Malton also lousy developer

Can share more details? Now many people booking nova saujana

MB LAND
johor.


recently i booked a studio unit in jb.
i did asked sa about the land besides this project ( Perling Height ). She said i dont know.
She told me this studio has higher height compare to other unit 13.5". Previous buyer loan rejected. So i paid the deposit booking fee.

to my dismay, the land beside the project belongs to indah water. yes. sewage pond!
it is farking near. about 5M only.

so i demanded that money to be refunded. since the sa said i dont know about the land. infact, if she were to tell me is indah water, i would just walk off straight.

manager called me up. got screwed from me. he will propose to management to refund.


in the end, management said no refund. Made a mistake , now mistake become worst.

file a complaint to KPDNKK. now waiting their feedback.

So what you guys think ?

fyi, the sewage pond is bricked up about one floor. so you cant see what is inside it.

Sorry to hear about your mishap.I know the project that U r talking about,coz I myself was
thinking "who would buy this apartment built directly
beside a pond/sewerage treament.

I think the SA knews about it just that they knew that if a potential buyer were adviced of the fact that the land beside will b turned into a treatment area, many wouldnt have been interested at all.

I hope u fight till the end n show them that u r the VICTIM.

gud luck

ps-that project is almost completed right?

Below average product quality and apathy attitude from the staff in post handover

Sorry to hear about the unfortunate issue.. which project boss?

Yes... heard that this developer alwiz deliver late.. and pay LAD after buyers go thru tribunal and all problem

Its good to highlight these kind of cases so that Developers in future esp the new ones, are put on notice that the Public are aware..so don't main main . This is a kind of misrepresentation when critical information is withheld from customers.

Pls let us know the outcome of your case.they should not refund u 1cent less

Is the booking fee a lot?

I heard Trinity Group Sdn Bhd has won court case against Talam.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...7253&sec=nation

High-end project developer Trinity Group Sdn Bhd has succeeded in stopping the former Talam Corporation Bhd from calling itself Trinity Corporation Berhad.

But, I see Talam is still using Trinity in market.

This post has been edited by sheanhung: Mar 3 2013, 10:58 PM

The name had been changed and the bad developer always got many subsidiaries and we as a consumer got to check their background but this is not easy. That why go for reputable or award winning developers rather than new developer or else buy the ready made or subsale houses.

This post has been edited by SKfolk: Mar 4 2013, 12:44 AM

Surbo malton bad? Don't scare me. I got a unit .....

Amaya saujana done by malton. So far didn't hear Ny complain from Amaya saujana .
Can any expert verified on this? Thanks

Can tell more and how bad is it? Which project?

heard about Mayland is not that good either.. anyone has any experience with them before?

u bought nova saujana? mind sharing how much ?

Heard Masteron has a lot complaints too from most of their projects like Koi Prima, Koi Kinara, Aurora Lakeside City etc. I have n o experience with them but initially interested to buy a unit in Aurora but decided to abort after reading so many negative comments from threads relating to their ongoing projects.

Myaland also

High end project developer?

Really?

Haha, at least they r doing some promising development like zeva @ Equine Park, opposite to Jusco, but not sure high end or not.

zeva is medium range apartments

i think dn has no plans for high ends

I long time banned this developer..

Anybody better than Talam is high end. LOL.

All developers also have good n bad experience... it still depends on your luck on developers, if your really looking for good developer ,one can use the best developer in 2012 as a guidance.

Top 10 Overall
1. SP Setia Bhd
2. Sunway Bhd
3. Sime Dardy Property Bhd
4. IGB Corp Bhd
5. UEM Land Holdings Bhd
6. I & P Group Sdn Bhd
7. Mah Sing Group Bhd
8. Gamuda Bhd
9. Bandar Utama City Corp Sdn Bhd
10. IJM Land Bhd

Top 10 Qualitative Attributes
1. SP Setia Bhd
2. Sunway Bhd
3. Al Batha Bukit Kiara Holdings Sdn Bhd
4. IGB Corp Bhd
5. Mah Sing Group Bhd
6. Gamuda Bhd
7. Bandar Utama City Corp Sdn Bhd
8. Bandar Raya Developments Bhd
9. Eastern & Oriental Bhd
10. Sime Dardy Property Bhd

Trinity Group is NOT Trinity Cooperation, pls get your fact right before making statement.
Trinity Cooperation is TALAM. TALAM is considered bad developer ,my personal view.

actually one must be careful to reveal such names especially if you own a unit that you have plan to sell.

I have one experience so far with lesser known developer, now very dormant/inactive, so no worry there.

Sold the place (even at loss few years back), but actually relieved when I did.

http://www.hba.org.my/laws/CourtCases/S/sakinas.htm

But any developer who committed late delivery/delay in making the MOT/individual title isuance to me is bad.

I would say quality is subjective and depends on what price you pay for the property unless you pay good price and get inferior finishing.

So for Talam/now Trinity CORP, you pay for cheapo price, u get cheapo prop lor

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 4 2013, 11:58 AM

Agree .

+1
Yes I agree that also. If the developer late delivery is a really bad thing plus together with dealying processing of MOT and strata title making it more worst.
Last time I remember everyone queue up to buy Talam property.
Buy with cheap price get low quaility. Is fair enough.

Late delivery could be due to poor main contractor.
Developer play a more important role in after sales service such as defect handling, transfer of land title and etc.

Yes, but as the developer, u still will be reposnible for late delivery, buyer could not care less if it is your contractor fail to complete in time, yes/no?

A bit late is OK.
But late delivery with no clear end in sight is a bit too much.

This post has been edited by rumahmurah: Mar 4 2013, 02:14 PM

+1

surprise that UOA is not in the list ...

u brought the case to court ? won the case?

nope, not me, just bought a unit and not directly from the same developer, but from 1st owner, I bought paying less than 1k more than the ori purchase price from the 1st owner and tot sure no risk one, than have to sell at loss of almost RM8k (excluding agent fee) , all that happened in 2007. back then you can imagine why the price is depressed, complete in 1998, I bought in 2004, but by the time i sell in 2007 , STILL NO INDIVIDUAL Title and no individual water meter, what a joke

Yes, there are two similar names: Trinity Group Sdn Bhd and Trinity Corporation Berhad

The later one is Talam.

OMG, sell at loss ?? thats the biggest NO NO to the investor..y din u keep it and sell it when the time is right?

Ofcause the developer is responsible toward the purchaser, as they enter a contract with purchaser. And the LD now is must pay by them automatically, no longer like last time, need purchasers to demand.
What i am trying to highlight here is, do not simply conclude a developer as a bad developer merely because of late handling over.

This post has been edited by enriquelee: Mar 4 2013, 03:40 PM

It happened way before 2009, selling it fast as back then, hard to keep it with bad rental, or almost absent of any good and relaible rental, coupled with smarter purchaser which will ask u 10 questions when after 9 years completion still no title, not even individual water meter from SYABAS.

It is called cut loss and move on. I know now there are a lot of sellers (even 2 of MY immediate NEIGBHBOURING UNITS Owners ALSO WANT TO SELL) but with no title issued still, good luck to them all

Ok, now get your point, nonetheless a better developer will do whatever they can to esnure the opposite, early VP. And That, we can all agree

+1.
But sometimes main contractor is beyond their control, especially those bad contractors.

Problem between developer and contractor spill over to purchaser.
The problem can be from the DEVELOPER or the CONTRACTOR
The purchaser doesn't deal with the contractor but with the developer.

This is also true, there is no direct contract with the contractor as far as purchaser is concern, it is a lot like buying a bowl of curry noodles, Buyer deals only with the the seller n not the behind the scene fish ball seller, Santan seller, the tauge seller, the cockle seller, etc.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 5 2013, 06:31 AM

Talam Corporation is now known as TRINITY CORPORATION - BEWARE OF THIS NAME.Companies affiliated with their Talam Corporation are :-
1) Kumpulan Europlus Berhad
2) Radiant Pillars Sdn Bhd
3) Tenaga Gagah Sdn Bhd
4) And many more 'anak syarikat'.

But today, the above companies are selling their projects via Real Estate Companies, not directly anymore.

THIS IS THE WORST DEVELOPER THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN. Find out more about the people behind the company.

;;;Tan Sri Cxan Ah xxye

Imagine this : Three purchasers have died of heartsick after buying their properties and experiencing their delays.

If get chepe property, srtill okay. Problem is you don't even get the property at all. their houses can get stuck at 80% level. And they still keep dragging after that.

THIS WILL BE TRINITY CORPORATION AND KUMPULAN EUROPLUS - BUYERS BEWARE !!!!!!

This Trinity Corp is reaqlly a, I think the Cantonese say (sorry, I'm Eurasian here), 'toh soay kah' to the good Trnity Group. The Trinity Group should take legal action to compel Cxan Ah xxye to change the name ! Just because he is a new Christxxn, dopted this Triniity name.
Really toh suie kah.

I am surprised that Mah Sing is on the list....
Where did u get this from???

Very true.
The regulators vested with the powers to act also drag their feet.
So much for "Rakyat Didahulukan and Janji Ditepati"

I am really surprised the West Coast Expressway Project is awarded to the Kumpulan Europlus Group after all their bad records. This is the worst of corruptions in the world. I hoped all countries read this and see this thing happening in this cty.

So, what does that tell u? Yessiree, Keep away from TALAM, or any cheapo developer, right?

Name one decent cheapo developer please?
Name one Good developer that has stuck at 80% or whatever % before completion?

Cheapo developer does not care about that reputation/track record. All they usually have is big cable connection. Hell breaks loose when the connection is severed or the money stopped flowing because the tap has been shut

U want to play safe PAY SAFE. That is all I am saying.

MKLAND is bad??

Can you belief explain since you said this developer is bad because currently I have looking for property and if no mistaken the developer name is under MKLAND

many project dont hand over on time... plus management bad.

property investment itself is a risk, buying it from a developer is risk ..
i think better buy subsale then..

Villa wangsamas is built by them, right? Aiyo that high rise is scary liao. Crack here and there. Like ulat beluncas all over the building

May i know which project under malton that u r referring to? Some people i know made serious money from malton development. Malton is the one that built Pavilion KL shopping mall, bro. Not bad right?

Mayland. Hmmm what can i say. Many2 bad remarks. However kinda funny coz many people have made money from them via maytower and parkview.

Noted with thanks, I will then go and research some information about this developer

But the price of subsale would be higher already compare to buying from developer...

Just reserach more information about developer before buying a property.

maybe because of one bad apple. Some people nowaday expect perfection from penny.

The source is from where?

EDGE if not mistaken

from experience bro

MKLAND i believe have financial difficulties many years ago but should be better now. Their properties are selling good but not all banks are willing to finance.

I owned MK Land property at damansara perdana. Though their workmanship are not among the top but it is acceptable to me.
Not so bad lah.

If past records is a good reference see below link and the chart

http://www.horlic.com/malaysia-top-10-prop...ed-by-the-edge/

Look at MK land drops and how mah shing has climbed, some gone missing from the lime light, some come out of no where

Haha well, they sell cheap so yeah quite a bit of upside. Well cheap and not so good quality, at least that tallies. Haha instead of expensive and not so good quality.

can i have a suggest pls, why not come out with a list of developers, together with their latest project(s), some sort of like one eye see all table for everyone to see on the 1st page?

I like this thread, a place for buyer to warn new buyers and let the misfortune buyers to show their anger of bad & irresponsible developers. People used their saving to buy a dream warm home, but this developer with low quality control and build the house below the acceptable standard. Unfinished repair leaking, poor management office.

I will say SSF is another bad developer, Im not sure this is their company problem, or their staffs with bad attitude had disappointed the company name. Slow respond to defects complaint, but good in giving excuses.

I will carefully choose developer next time. Always go with the developer with good reputation.

is UOA considered a good developer??
i hav heard + and - about it..

A good developer that believes in good corporate governance and practises corporate social responsibility when faced with problems can some times go the wrong way. If one buys a house today, it's best to come to to know the rest of buyers in the same project and come together to form a group. If at all, buyers encounter problems with the developer the group will be able to act more effectively in standing up for the rights of the buyers. Unity is Strength

With the latest amendments to the Housing And Development Act, I believe late delivery, abandonment, quality of materials and shoddy workmanship will not recur IF the ACT is followed to the letter.

My 2 sen.

This post has been edited by rumahmurah: Mar 8 2013, 02:47 PM

Mind to share what are those latest amendments in the housing and development act?

Is there any changes more recent than this :-

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...124&sec=central

The post was made April 26 2012. The amendment did not get good comment.

This post has been edited by puchongite: Mar 10 2013, 10:02 PM

Yes, you are right... the amendment did not get good comments.
My opinion is that with the heavier penalty imposed errant developers will
not be let off easily and if the Housing Ministry is "more assertive in
exercising their legal rights" purchasers' rights and interests will be better
protected.

That's a big IF. Can we imagine even the star news paper could publish this ( extracted from the article ) :-

Do note that publications like Edge and Star and most local media are advertising-driven. Meaning they would not say anything bad about their biggest advertisers like Mah Sing etc. So do take their ratings with a pinch of salt.

is there any source where consumer can check developer background? sorry for the newbie question.

peters & peters.
no good...no good
sigh 1102, sad...sad...very sad

what does that mean ?

Still on ecstasy pill at 5:20 am ?

Wrong number?

perhaps the following link will show u which are the companies that were so bad until they were brought to court (click from tab A to Z)

http://hba.org.my/laws/CourtCases/PAGES/A.htm

Also check this list of abandoned projects

http://hba.org.my/help/abandoned/ap_list_AB.htm