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post Feb 26 2013, 09:25 AM

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Koreans can get their Kia around RM50k in their local currency back in Korea but Malaysians has to pay extra just for a basic car. GOOD! YES! WAY TO GO! NEXT TIME ALL POKAI PAY CAR!
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:27 AM

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Preve airbag cost 3 k iirc , same with Inspira

+2 airbag will increase price by 10% .

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post Feb 26 2013, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 08:45 AM)
Can u make make a petition to our government?
Ask everyone to sign it.
And force Msia gomen to improve our road safety.
By getting better safety features for all users
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Don't waste time with petition. We as consumer have the power to make changes!
Like kadajawi said "If you stop buying crap, they will stop making it".
Do share and spread about the importance of safety features/rating of a car.

Here are some of the overpriced hot selling least-safe car at Bolehland:
1) Toyota Camry
2) Toyota Vios

Click hyperlink for details and do join our discussion at F&F section. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 26 2013, 03:52 AM)
They care about money, as pretty much every other car maker apart from Saab. Customers who are willing to buy terribly unsafe cars tell manufacturers, hey, it's ok, we don't care. For example: The Camry 2.4 had VSC. The 2.5 didn't. Why? Toyota made a survey and found out, their customers don't care. So Toyota removed it. Toyota manages to sell D segment cars without VSC and only 2 airbags. Competitors at similar price tags offer much more, including VSC and 6 airbags, and they hardly sell. The most popular cars are pretty unsafe cars, far behind competitors, and they often aren't even the cheapest.

Try to sell a Malaysian spec Camry in Australia. The sales figures would be hovering around 0. Toyota wouldn't dare to offer it there. Like they wouldn't offer the Avanza there, or anywhere in the western world.

If you stop buying crap, they will stop making it. Simple. When Europeans stopped buying unsafe cars, car manufacturers improved. When EuroNCAP started doing side impact tests, and people paid attention to the results, manufacturers fitted side airbags and curtain airbags, because not having those things would be bad for sales. There are no rules or regulations (in Germany at least) stating how many airbags you need, or that you need ESP. People saw the first A class topple over (was on TV all the time). Mercedes immediately reacted and fitted the car with ESP (like Proton fitted a second airbag on the Saga after disaster struck). Demonstrated it, and since it became a standard in more and more cars, because people actually want it and are willing to pay for it/not willing to pay for a car without. You can actually, right now, buy a car without ESP in Germany. Perfectly legal. It doesn't even have airbags. Not sure if there is ABS. Not many do, of course, but you could. (It's the Lada Niva btw., a mountain goat of a car. Think Range Rover, without the luxury or price tag. And smaller. Will go over anything). Dacias are traditionally offered without ESP (can't even order it I believe), and only 2 airbags, though more are optional. They are very, very cheap though, and at least get 3 stars. Some people are willing to buy them (or forced to...). But because these cars are dirt cheap. No one would buy a new car with only 2 airbags, when the rivals which are just as good have 6, at the same price. I don't they would do it even if it had a BMW badge.
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(<Ultraman> @ Feb 26 2013, 09:25 AM)
Koreans can get their Kia around RM50k in their local currency back in Korea but Malaysians has to pay extra just for a basic car. GOOD! YES! WAY TO GO! NEXT TIME ALL POKAI PAY CAR!
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Proton quality design crap = rage. Now quality up design 5 star = rage price high. Later duty no more = u say proton hantu dont like rage.
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:30 AM

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The video has been released.
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:34 AM

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Fuh. Looks like he will walk out of the crash by himself
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:30 AM)


The video has been released.
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:39 AM

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Terbaik la PREVE. Barulah kereta global thumbup.gif


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post Feb 26 2013, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 12:24 AM)
It is not the airbags get full star rating.  It is the ESC.  ESC is missing in malaysian non-cfe variant.

If proton smart, they will equipped esc for all variant for local market before the Asean NCAP start testing C segment car. And there is rumors spec preve is on the roll out.

DRB said that future cars will have standard spec for import and domestic. 
So what missing is ESC. Other than that it is the same. No ESC car will max only get 4 star rating. As good as preve non CFE will get 4 star.
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of course proton is smart. Malaysian market is different from Aussie or other country. safety is not much of a concern for most of their customers here. cars are overpriced here. proton's products are high in cost. how to remain competitive?
1. brandname = elek
2. performance = elek
3. quality(in cosumer's view and in reality to a certain extent) = elek
4. advance features = elek
5. low price = WIN
how to remain low in price when the cost is so damn high? reduce safety features. things that the poorer malaysians couldn't care less. they just need a ride. couldn't afford any better.

Is different in Aussie market. they won't be able to sell a single car if they skimp on those safety features. other brand cars have all those features with almost the same price.
5-star NCAP. so what? that's not the only thing people look at when buying a car. especially at the same price range/segment. it is more like a minimum requirement when the playing field is level, like over at Aussie.
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:43 AM

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Penetrate UK and US sucessfuly then talk.
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:46 AM

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Compare it to any 70k range car in Msia.
FFS the similar priced J Vios dont even have dual airbags and people here talk about domestic Preve is not 5 stars ANCAP due to lack of curtain airbags.

Inb4 different segment cant compare.
Inb4 proton pay less tax
Inb4 airbags cost more in maintenance
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(tsunade @ Feb 26 2013, 09:42 AM)
of course proton is smart. Malaysian market is different from Aussie or other country. safety is not much of a concern for most of their customers here. cars are overpriced here. proton's products are high in cost. how to remain competitive?
1. brandname = elek
2. performance = elek
3. quality(in cosumer's view and in reality to a certain extent) = elek
4. advance features = elek
5. low price = WIN
how to remain low in price when the cost is so damn high? reduce safety features. things that the poorer malaysians couldn't care less. they just need a ride. couldn't afford any better.

Is different in Aussie market. they won't be able to sell a single car if they skimp on those safety features. other brand cars have all those features with almost the same price.
5-star NCAP. so what? that's not the only thing people look at when buying a car. especially at the same price range/segment. it is more like a minimum requirement when the playing field is level, like over at Aussie.
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You are the perfect example of typical malaysian. Safety came second. That is why toyota can sell non VSC camry, single airbags almera and top selling is myvi.

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It is not Proton who practice the uneven safety spec and equipment, it happened to ALL manufacturer who sell their cars in malaysia. We get low spec and low safety cars. This all because there is no NCAP to begin with (not until ASEAN NCAP was established).
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post Feb 26 2013, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:51 AM)
You are the perfect example of typical malaysian.  Safety came second.  That is why toyota can sell non VSC camry, single airbags almera and top selling is myvi.

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It is not Proton who practice the uneven safety spec and equipment, it happened to ALL manufacturer who sell their cars in malaysia.  We get low spec and low safety cars.  This all because there is no NCAP to begin with (not until ASEAN NCAP was established).
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money/price is much more important than safety (malaysian thinking)


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post Feb 26 2013, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:51 AM)
You are the perfect example of typical malaysian.  Safety came second.  That is why toyota can sell non VSC camry, single airbags almera and top selling is myvi.

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It is not Proton who practice the uneven safety spec and equipment, it happened to ALL manufacturer who sell their cars in malaysia.  We get low spec and low safety cars.  This all because there is no NCAP to begin with (not until ASEAN NCAP was established).
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you are precisely right my dear sir. I'm the typical poor Malaysian that can only afford a proton with minimum safety features.
tell me. what new car that can fit a family of 4 with 5-star NCAP can I buy for 50k and below?

safety do comes first of course. instead of relying on those expensive gadgets that I can't afford, I just have to realise that i'm driving a tin can and I have to be extra careful on the road.

of course the other manufacturers have to sell their cars at low safety specs here. they have to lower their cost while remaining profitable/competitive. thanks to the high cost of cars. thanks to our government's policy to protect a certain car manufacturer here.

now, which part of high cost do you not understand?
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QUOTE(arthur88 @ Feb 26 2013, 08:58 AM)
for safety and performance, yes...
for quality, shit, hell no...
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+1.....comment from the Preve Club TS..
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post Feb 26 2013, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(tsunade @ Feb 26 2013, 10:29 AM)
you are precisely right my dear sir. I'm the typical poor Malaysian that can only afford a proton with minimum safety features.
tell me. what new car that can fit a family of 4 with 5-star NCAP can I buy for 50k and below?

safety do comes first of course. instead of relying on those expensive gadgets that I can't afford, I just have to realise that i'm driving a tin can and I have to be extra careful on the road.

of course the other manufacturers have to sell their cars at low safety specs here. they have to lower their cost while remaining profitable/competitive. thanks to the high cost of cars. thanks to our government's policy to protect a certain car manufacturer here.

now, which part of high cost do you not understand?
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You certainly have no idea how much profit non-local manufacturer had for each cars. laugh.gif
Their taxes are the same with Proton. Wake up bro. The government has been feeding you with misinformation and giving the idea that Proton is the reason other car is expensive. In fact, they are protecting their pockets across all manufacturer.

Oh, didn't i tell it before that people are forced to buy proton. You are the perfect example again. laugh.gif
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 10:39 AM)
You certainly have no idea how much profit non-local manufacturer had for each cars.  laugh.gif
Their taxes are the same with Proton.  Wake up bro.  The government has been feeding you with misinformation and giving the idea that Proton is the reason other car is expensive.  In fact, they are protecting their pockets across all manufacturer. 

Oh, didn't i tell it before that people are forced to buy proton. You are the perfect example again.  laugh.gif
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I certainly have an idea of how profitable the non-local manufacturers are. are you implying that they are making less profit in other country? selling their cars with full specs while making less profit than what they're making in Malaysia?

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Gomen is enjoying the money u fools.
Not proton.
So many have stupid perception.
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(tsunade @ Feb 26 2013, 11:11 AM)
I certainly have an idea of how profitable the non-local manufacturers are. are you implying that they are making less profit in other country? selling their cars with full specs while making less profit than what they're making in Malaysia?
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Yes. That is the case. You compare price in langkawi. That is without the excise and import duty. But that is still expensive based on what the car was declared at Customs


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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 09:30 AM)


The video has been released.
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Fuuu, T fags gonna rage watching this.
Nicely done by Proton.

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