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post Jan 4 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(BSS30112015 @ Jan 4 2016, 01:50 PM)
“As of now, the transit services will have to stop in Nusajaya, but for the direct service, you clear both customs and immigration checks [only once] in either Kuala Lumpur or Singapore... like the Eurostar between London and Paris,” Nur Ismal said  rclxms.gif

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...e-says-operator
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good decision. Check everything in KL rclxms.gif Don't want to stop in nusajaya again cry.gif
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Jan 3 2016, 11:55 PM)
agreed on overall concept but not the details.

if you look at the map of china only the east side is facing sea. Sea trade is the most important route to any country but unfortunately China is facing Japan in the east....
From hokkaido to okinawa left china with small window to pass through. It is desperate to have alternatives.

Rail provides China a crucial alternative for trades. But how? Currently many countries have different system/specification for rail... such as vietnam is diff from thailand, thailand is diff from Malaysia/sg. It is a legacy issue from colonial days. So If china wants to increase trades via Rail then it has to redo all railway in Indochina/Malaysia and Sg again. China already identified Kunming as the hub for collection and delivery of goods to SEA via rail. Many double track rail will be built running from Kunming to/passing Mynmar, Loas, Vietnam, Thailand then go to Malaysia and ended in Singapore. Bangkok will be the hub for all the rails (like Paris in Europe), KL is just one of the stops.

HSR is just one of the very first steps to materialise the above. China already controls Kunming from the North and if they win the KL-SG line at the South, it is easy to connect the missing links gradually.

Exporting HSR is to export their technology+cheap money+cheap labour+over capacity of steel/cement in China. But their plan is bigger than that for SEA especially indochina + Malaysia +Sg that i have discussed above. if you read carefully they do talk about taking a train to Bangkok from bandar malaysia. A double track rail could be build next to the HSR later.

blow water only.... dont shoot me... rclxms.gif
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Actually, from Singapore all the way to Vietnam, it is possible to use single type trainset and all of the route use Metre Gauge. That is why Malaysian trainset can travel all the way to Bangkok. China mostly use standard gauge which is bigger then metre gauge and can carry more load at faster speed too. In order for China to use Southeast Asia train route, they have to somehow transfer their load at border into smaller trainset.

If they don't mind, they can sponsor or atleast give soft loan to SEA countries to convert or to build new standard gauge rail lines.

The problem with metre gauge is the speed limit which is about 160 km/h and at most at 210km/h and that too only with heavily modified trainset in Australia.

With standard gauge, train can travel at speed more than 300km/h and carrying more loads. That is why in choosing HSR, I rather have TGV type rail system which use standard gauge. This might help if the HSR failed to make money since it can be converted to standard rail system anc cargo train can use it as well. If use Japanese Shinkansen system, once failed, nothing can be use on it anymore since it is highly dedicated rail lines.
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Actually, from Singapore all the way to Vietnam, it is possible to use single type trainset and all of the route use Metre Gauge. That is why Malaysian trainset can travel all the way to Bangkok. China mostly use standard gauge which is bigger then metre gauge and can carry more load at faster speed too. In order for China to use Southeast Asia train route, they have to somehow transfer their load at border into smaller trainset.

If they don't mind, they can sponsor or atleast give soft loan to SEA countries to convert or to build new standard gauge rail lines.

The problem with metre gauge is the speed limit which is about 160 km/h and at most at 210km/h and that too only with heavily modified trainset in Australia.

With standard gauge, train can travel at speed more than 300km/h and carrying more loads. That is why in choosing HSR, I rather have TGV type rail system which use standard gauge. This might help if the HSR failed to make money since it can be converted to standard rail system anc cargo train can use it as well. If use Japanese Shinkansen system, once failed, nothing can be use on it anymore since it is highly dedicated rail lines.
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u seems to know a lot about the rail network system type rclxms.gif

I hope our authorities choose the right system like u mention. can have "back up" as cargo train services if HSR failed icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(frossonice @ Jan 4 2016, 02:17 PM)
Actually, from Singapore all the way to Vietnam, it is possible to use single type trainset and all of the route use Metre Gauge. That is why Malaysian trainset can travel all the way to Bangkok. China mostly use standard gauge which is bigger then metre gauge and can carry more load at faster speed too. In order for China to use Southeast Asia train route, they have to somehow transfer their load at border into smaller trainset.

If they don't mind, they can sponsor or atleast give soft loan to SEA countries to convert or to build new standard gauge rail lines.

The problem with metre gauge is the speed limit which is about 160 km/h and at most at 210km/h and that too only with heavily modified trainset in Australia.

With standard gauge, train can travel at speed more than 300km/h and carrying more loads. That is why in choosing HSR, I rather have TGV type rail system which use standard gauge. This might help if the HSR failed to make money since it can be converted to standard rail system anc cargo train can use it as well. If use Japanese Shinkansen system, once failed, nothing can be use on it anymore since it is highly dedicated rail lines.
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very good!

sorry i dont have deep knowledge in train system. the only train i know is Thomas biggrin.gif

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about nine years ago, in 2007, conglomerate YTL and its technical partner, Germany’s Siemens AG, put in a proposal to build the HSR or bullet train linking Kuala Lumpur to Singapore at a cost of only RM8 billion. How the price of the HSR has escalated to the current level of RM70 billion is not clear.

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Jan 4 2016, 05:22 PM)
very good!

sorry i dont have deep knowledge in train system. the only train i know is Thomas  biggrin.gif
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Hehe Thomas Train is my son's favor..

Some reading for those interested in HSR


High-speed rail is a type of rail transport that operates significantly faster than traditional rail traffic, using an integrated system of specialized rolling stock and dedicated tracks. While there is no single standard that applies worldwide, new lines in excess of 250 km/hr and existing lines in excess of 200 km/hr are widely considered to be high-speed, with some extending the definition to include much lower speeds (e.g. 160 km/hr) in areas for which these speeds still represent significant improvements.[1] The first such system began operations in Japan in 1964 and was widely known as the bullet train. High-speed trains normally operate on standard gauge tracks of continuously welded rail on grade-separated right-of-way that incorporates a large turning radius in its design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail

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QUOTE(HarpArtist @ Jan 4 2016, 05:31 PM)
about nine years ago, in 2007, conglomerate YTL and its technical partner, Germany’s Siemens AG, put in a proposal to build the HSR or bullet train linking Kuala Lumpur to Singapore at a cost of only RM8 billion. How the price of the HSR has escalated to the current level of RM70 billion is not clear.

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gomen did a big mistake by not approving the YTL - Siemens proposal nod.gif look now how the expected price.

but I guess the YTL one needed gomen funding while the current one may be funded fully by China if their proposal is accepted icon_rolleyes.gif
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KL - Singapore bullet train will have 2 services, 90 minutes or 2 hours
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...e-says-operator
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 4 2016, 06:31 PM)
gomen did a big mistake by not approving the YTL - Siemens proposal  nod.gif  look now how the expected price.

but I guess the YTL one needed gomen funding while the current one may be funded fully by China if their proposal is accepted  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Different criteria back then...gomen to provide land....cannot be compared apple to apple

But no doubt, some years of inflation needs to be added, especially the highly speculated and too quickly escalated land prices nod.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 4 2016, 06:31 PM)
gomen did a big mistake by not approving the YTL - Siemens proposal  nod.gif  look now how the expected price.

but I guess the YTL one needed gomen funding while the current one may be funded fully by China if their proposal is accepted  icon_rolleyes.gif
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maybe also that Siemens train not as high speed as this one. older tech. maybe.
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China to spend USD 538 bil in railways in 5 years. The biggest spending on railway in the world flex.gif
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The ambitious plan aims to boost China's railroad to a record 150,000 kilometers and high-speed rail to 30,000 kilometers, it said, citing a draft proposal by transportation authorities.

The railway network would link any major city with a population over 200,000 and reduce the commuting time among them to 1 to 8 hours, according to the proposal.

Over 20 high speed routes are designed to expand the high-speed rail network, with priority going to links from Beijing to Shenyang, Northeast Liaoning province; from Taiyuan, North Shanxi province to Zhengzhou, Central Henan province and lines in the Midwestern provinces.

An possible high-speed railway to run beneath China's Bohai Sea may also be taken into consideration.

http://www.ecns.cn/business/2016/01-04/194605.shtml
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Why cant make the travel time shorter? As from the news, the nonstop services for the 330km route means only approx 220km/ph. Does not look high speed right. Thought can generally average 300km+?
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QUOTE(proplens @ Jan 4 2016, 10:35 PM)
Why cant make the travel time shorter? As from the news, the nonstop services for the 330km route means only approx 220km/ph. Does not look high speed right. Thought can generally average 300km+?
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Cannot la. Top speed 300km but average is always much lower than that.

I think u and I same, the only train we know is Thomas.
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Jan 5 2016, 04:07 AM)
Cannot la. Top speed 300km but average is always much lower than that.

I think u and I same, the only train we know is Thomas.
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yup standard hsr average around that speed. doubt even cina gg to spend so much to give us ultra high speed type.
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QUOTE(proplens @ Jan 4 2016, 10:35 PM)
Why cant make the travel time shorter? As from the news, the nonstop services for the 330km route means only approx 220km/ph. Does not look high speed right. Thought can generally average 300km+?
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ahhhhh..too bad..im expecting at least 250km/h...220 is nothing these days..KTM ETS doing 160km/h already
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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Jan 5 2016, 04:07 AM)
Cannot la. Top speed 300km but average is always much lower than that.

I think u and I same, the only train we know is Thomas.
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Haha, I know Thomas too ;P
But actually top speed not 300km, many top speed can go >300, average speed can 250km or faster. But again, it is likely more expensive to run a faster service train, which is not something that we can afford.
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guess they not dare to take the >300 speed one blush.gif
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From KLIA to Changi, it takes around 50 mins on the air. Just wonder why peoples so concern about the train speed which can reach by 90 mins? hmm.gif

Are they using the train everyday? Or just want to rush to heaven? tongue.gif
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Hamilton will say HSR (speed 300km/hour) is not qualify to challenge him yet
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Singapore, Malaysia still in talks over commercial, operating models of HSR project - report
http://www.theedgeproperty.com.my/my/conte...-project-report

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