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Wedchar2912
post May 1 2024, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ May 1 2024, 08:12 PM)
I opted out. Because I already have the flexibility without having to use acc3 😂
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sorry, can opt out? i thought no option to opt out? or epf u-turn recently?


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post May 12 2024, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ May 12 2024, 01:12 PM)
according to cpi calculation, 10k in 1992 is only rm21k today.

https://www.dosm.gov.my/cpi_calc/index.php

up to you to believe  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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saying it this way would be more impressive...

imagine being 30 years old back in 1992 and earning 7K SGD in Malaysia. tongue.gif
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post May 13 2024, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(boyboycute @ May 13 2024, 12:25 PM)
Unker bought a PJ house almost 30 years ago for RM40k. Already 30x...Young fella running the numbers will never understand inflation like old fella
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u sure it was 30 years ago?

a possibility: asian crisis one in a lifetime fire sale?
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post May 13 2024, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(jep @ May 13 2024, 01:56 PM)
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Wooww sudah busy2
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and the sms tag arrives like a few hours later... how lar to authenticate the withdrawal? sad.gif
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post May 13 2024, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(boyboycute @ May 13 2024, 08:44 PM)
It was 50 years ago
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50 years to X30 is fair enough... works out to be 7% pa compounding return...

chicken rice back then was like what? 50 sen to 1rm?
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post May 14 2024, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 14 2024, 10:34 PM)
Just one look can know it's fake 😂

Confirmed not from actual EPF i-akaun
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can login meh? yday night I cannot login anymore via the app.
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post May 15 2024, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 15 2024, 02:16 PM)
You says 1mil nothing

How about those having 10k or less in their EPF??? Go jump 14 floor end their life??

I read in newspaper today (yes me still kinda old school)... One lady got only 3k balance in account 2.... Yet want to withdraw that (via account 3 facilities)....
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1 million is nothing? how about 10 x nothing = nothing also right?
but I know 10 million is something... haha tongue.gif

i think its just a figure of speech... now, 100K rm is also something.... no one every give me 100K rm of nothing for free...

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post May 15 2024, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ May 15 2024, 02:36 PM)
2.5m epf is minimum for retirement for 1 person only in KL. Wife need less maybe 2m in epf to retire because of synergy in cost. Kids is always a big question mark depending on where and what they want to pursue.
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wah... this 2.5 million per pax... is that the value today, or value when one reach 60 years old?
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post May 15 2024, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ May 15 2024, 03:14 PM)
30 years from now bah.

That day got 1 article say need at least RM 1mil to retire.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2022...-for-retirement

Actually most of the salaried worker can be millionaire, just depends whether you got hand itchy or not.

RM 5k averagely work for 30 years 5% EPF interest edi RM 1mil....Mentioned so many time edi.
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30 years from now fair enough... pv of 2.5 mil 30 years from now, using 6% discounting, is around 440K rm. fair enough...

if got 2.5 million now in EPF, the person definitely can consider retiring... almost at any age... cos pretty sure the chap has other wealth elsewhere.

yeah, i really hate those news about how so and so don't even have 10K in EPF when a fresh grad working at min wage for 1 year already have more than 5K rm in epf. somemore those so and so is like 55 years old.
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post May 15 2024, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ May 15 2024, 03:24 PM)
Based on retirement age 50 today.
Assume average age 85 - I used Singapore average age not Malaysia which is lower
assume no debt. Have fully paid house and car.
Assume asset replacements 10k yearly
Assume holidays 10k yearly each
Inflate rate 4% epf rate 5% or real gains 1%

doesn’t make sense to put anything more than  1.5~2m in EPF
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disagree.... once have abv 1 million, should just put all of one's liquid ringgit cash in EPF.

ie, what i meant is it doesn't make sense for anyone to have FD or substantial cash lying anywhere else if already have abv 1 million in EPF... free yield pickup with better credit risk than any banks in Malaysia.

small risk: bloody hell 2 days ago could not withdraw from EPF cos too many people going into epf website.... the sms tag only arrives after hours.
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post May 15 2024, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 15 2024, 06:43 PM)
Can. I have done mine. I don't use NATO but walk the talk.
I am going to withdraw, put back RM3k as self contribute for income tax purpose and another RM3k for PRS and balance throw oversea.

Once my EPF account 3 reach 10k, will withdraw it and dump it into SG banks.
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curious... any particular reason why need to wait for 10K? or its just a number you choose?
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post May 17 2024, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 17 2024, 03:49 PM)
yeah, finally... else it would be quite weird for some of us... imagine put in 100K rm, but 10% goes to Account 3, which in future already hinted will not be receiving same level of dividend as the other 2 accounts.

maybe EPF should allow us to direct exactly which account we wish to put self-contribution into.
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post May 17 2024, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ May 17 2024, 03:01 PM)
I dunno about the statistic..

but the place i work, my client they all... really really rich. I can see in Malaysia, there are really A LOT....you will really surprise how many rich ppl in malaysia. I mean real rich. 50 years old and above . not those nonsense young social media forex traders or those celebrate cat birthday at LV store.

but what i see a lot (maybe among the client i deal with) is actually 5% of Malaysian population tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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btw, would you mind sharing how many clients you cover? ie how many persons that is.

cos curious how you arrive at 5% of 30 million odd persons based on your number.
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post May 21 2024, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 21 2024, 01:48 PM)
What is this nonsense on the EPF portal?

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yeah, its getting quite annoying actually. impacting retirees such as myself who wish to withdraw cash for my weekly spending.


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post May 21 2024, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Amaru @ May 21 2024, 02:40 PM)
Please don't tell me you withdraw EPF weekly.  tongue.gif
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not all the time.... biggrin.gif

i don't have much cash left in any bank accounts/e-wallets in malaysia....
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post May 21 2024, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(BenChiew @ May 21 2024, 05:56 PM)
you would have 2 accounts. Akaun EMAS and Akaun 55? you have choose which to withdraw?
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i withdraw via the above 1 million category. that's why i threw every spare ringgit cash I have into epf: for me, it is effectively a 5.5% pa CASA.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ May 22 2024, 11:45 AM)
Plans gone awry. Need to do minor adjustments!
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the once a week withdrawal actually is to cater to unexpected "delays" such as these... else would have relied on daily withdrawal schedule...

but really disappointed at EPF... no longer the stalwart we can rely on 100%.... 95% only now. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 24 2024, 01:37 AM)
Yep. A lot of unkers here doing just that. Money should work for you, not the other way round. Keep doing what you're doing and you will have the last laugh!
11k for a bodoh phone. Siaow. RM2k is the max I will go. Now RM1k phone also extremely good already.  Buy 11k phone
..which do everything same as your last phone....just dumb. My phone already back cover came off and I hold it together with a casing cover, lol. Still have 1 more year of software update I think (Samsung gives 3 -4 years). Won't buy new phone until it's totally dead. Hell, I even done my repair myself my last phone and pass it to my son, still going strong!. Yeah, I am kinda tech savvy. Lol.
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Oh wow. 11K rm for a phone? Dang. Then again, if that fella can afford to that kind of spending, like his income is like 100K pm, sure.

I just gotten myself a second hand P30 Pro for 700rm. It loads kwsp app as fast as my friend's iPhone 14.haha.
I waited 2 days for my epf div to accumulate above 700rm before buying. Funny rite?
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 24 2024, 06:01 PM)
If 100k/mth, no problem, but usually these are 3k/mth people who pay monthly installment at max repayment period and that only with withdrawal from EPF. rolleyes.gif 20 years down the road, no money to retire, cry mother father again. How? Country is farked with tens of millions of these people.
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unfortunately, nothing much we rational people can do, except take steps to diversify our egg nest... as much as I like EPF, truly annoying to see the mess that is these few days.
There may still be some hope that the removal of pension scheme for new civil servants (and introduction of epf to these cohort) will provide the stabilization of funds for the EPF pool.

Also, judging at how busy the system been, pretty much the withdrawals from Acct 3 is expected to be in full swing. Fat hopes now on the funds in Acct 3 can get the same dividend rate as Acct 1 & 2.... no stickiness at all on the funds in Acct 3.


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post May 24 2024, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 24 2024, 08:25 PM)
Well EPF did mention about account 3 lower dividend rates moving forward....

So I expecting rates around 2.5% or lower???
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like what @MUM said, the law currently states cannot be lower than 2.5% for conventional. they would need to change the EPF Act to put it lower.

For the time being, mgs are trading way higher than 2.5% pa, so all EPF needed to do is just buy and sell govies as and when needed for the acct 3 pool.

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