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prophetjul
post Jan 4 2016, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 2 2016, 06:02 PM)
Is there any specific rule within EPF Act tat allow them to c/f some to next year?
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It is an investment fund.
They are allowed to liquidate or revalue their non cash assets anytime.
Profits can come from revaluation of assets. However, they don't need to monetise those assets immediately.
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post Jan 5 2016, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 4 2016, 11:06 PM)
If I'm not wrong, profits is crystalize from actual disposal ony
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But they can still retain such profits as investment funds.
Likewise they can put their hand into this jar for dividends if need be.
Other words dividend declared does not necessarily equate profit for the year.
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post Jan 7 2016, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Asia Jaya @ Jan 7 2016, 11:00 AM)
The rate is actually better than last 2 years, even though economy stumbled hmm.gif
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That's what I am saying. They can retain profits for future dividends.
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post Jan 16 2016, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 15 2016, 11:35 PM)
6.50% is a gud achievement considering last year global developments
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Won't be that high.
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post Jan 16 2016, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 16 2016, 09:36 AM)
then how much? hmm.gif
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Who knows? Depends how much they want to retain their profits
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post Jan 18 2016, 03:58 PM

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Below FD rate?
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post Jan 26 2016, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 26 2016, 11:23 AM)
seriously shocking.gif
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Realistic possibility looking at the current climate. They would need to retain cash to be able to prop up the market in the imminent downturn.
So yes, 5.25% is a real possibility.
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post Feb 2 2016, 10:52 AM

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Why is everyone so concerned with the dividends? What comes will come. smile.gif
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 31 2016, 11:18 AM)
As long as there is money in EPF account, dividend will be given until member reaches 100 yo.

蔡智勇:只要戶頭有存款‧公積金派息到100歲
http://news.sinchew.com.my/node/472534?tid=1
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Dead don't need dividends biggrin.gif
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 31 2016, 11:43 AM)
Well if u want to take it that way. sad.gif
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Well

Are you going to be expected to live to 100?

Rather Oxymoronic statement, dontchathink?

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post Apr 13 2016, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 13 2016, 01:18 PM)
the question is how would the EPF-i  rate gonna be?

much better or worse than conventional? hmm.gif

at least the conventional one have "guarantee" of 2.5% blush.gif the shariah one don't have..
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Of course it will have a guarantee.

Just not a written one. Only in spirit
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post May 25 2016, 10:02 AM

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Does anyone know how the EPF accounting is done?

Are these realised profits?

And what about those shares which are underwater? Are provisions taken to reflect the losses?

Just wondering

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post May 25 2016, 10:17 AM

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This MYR6.78 bil is the Lowest qtr in the last 17 qtrs except one, ie the 1Qtr13 whihc was 5.6bil.

Doesn't look good considering the last qtr being NMYR9.58bil.

Msia economy slowing down this year

So expect a big haircut on dividends this year
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post May 25 2016, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ May 25 2016, 02:50 PM)
Read here http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/documents/10..._FINANCIALS.pdf

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But to be fair... does anyone even care other than the beancounters?
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As a shareholder, Yeah i am interested how well my fund is doing. No?
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post May 25 2016, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ May 25 2016, 05:18 PM)
In that case you should read the annual report. In fact, read and share your findings here
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i will when i have the time, which is kinda of a luxury at the moment
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post May 26 2016, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ May 25 2016, 07:39 PM)
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Thanks for sharing! It's good to know that EPF uses good and transparent accounting for its shareholders.
The above is a big help to understanding how EPF delivers its figures. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post May 26 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ May 26 2016, 02:11 PM)
Thanks for the clarification  thumbup.gif

Boss prophet, as clarified by dasecret, the market movements of share prices which is temporarily showing capital gain/loss is not reflected in the P&L (hence, Not distributable to the members). But to present a fair picture of EPF's performance for the year, the gain/loss is adjusted in the reserve account.

I would think this is a very fair practice, as short term market movement is very common. EPF wouldn't want to face with a situation during year end when a sudden price surge/plunge happens and cause it's P&L affected by the short term movement. This will show a distorted picture on its performance of the whole year. Instead only impairment more permanent in nature is charged to P&L
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post May 30 2016, 11:09 AM

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KUALA LUMPUR, June 11 — A bulk of debt-ridden Pembinaan PFI's funds came from a RM25 billion loan from the Employees Provident Fund (EPF), a parliamentary reply from the Finance Ministry has revealed.

According to the reply, however, the loan to the government-owned construction firm, which has reportedly racked up liabilities worth RM27.9 billion in liabilities as at end 2012, is guaranteed by government-backed land leases.

In a written reply to Shah Alam MP Khalid Samad, Finance Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak revealed that EPF's portfolio exposure on government-linked companies up to March 31 totals RM79.99 billion and are in the form of fixed-rate loans and bonds/sukuk subscriptions backed by government and bank guarantees, and asset mortgage.

"EPF's investments in 1 Malaysia Development Berhad is limited to RM200 million, which is guaranteed by the Malaysian government.

"Meanwhile, EPF's exposure to Pembinaan PFI Sdn Bhd totals RM25.29 billion, which is guaranteed by a leaseback from the government.

"EPF does not provide any funding to Felda Global Ventures Berhad at this point," Najib said in the written reply to Khalid who had sought a list of EPF's investments in GLCs.

In March, Parliament's Public Accounts Committee (PAC) said it was satisfied with the explanation by Finance Ministry officials on how the federal government had issued bonds in the form of federal land leases through Pembinaan PFI to repay RM30 billion in loans from the country's two largest pension funds — EPF and the civil servants' pension fund Kumpulan Wang Persaraan (KWAP).

According to PAC chief Datuk Nur Jazlan Mohamed then, Treasury secretary-general Tan Sri Mohd Irwan Serigar Abdullah had explained to the PAC that Pembinaan PFI has so far utilised RM28 billion as at 2013 for public infrastructure projects, which were "generally issued through open tender".

The funds were sourced from two tranches of loans from EPF and KWAP, with the first payout of RM20 billion issued in 2006 and the second tranche of RM10 billion issued in 2012.

The loans will be repaid through bonds issued on a 15-year tenure up to 2027 for the first tranche and a 10-year tenure up to 2023 for the second tranche.

DAP's Serdang MP Dr Ong Kian Ming had previously urged the PAC to grill the Finance Ministry on RM27.9 billion in liabilities racked up as at end 2012, raising questions as to its procurement methods and its ability to repay its debts.

He also questioned why the federal government was channeling funds for development projects through Pembinaan PFI instead of using allocations from the country's annual budget, among other things.
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post May 30 2016, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ May 30 2016, 09:36 AM)
That's what we suspected all along.
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post Jun 21 2016, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jun 21 2016, 10:23 AM)
Is it advisable to maintain or change to shariah compliant?

I believe the low hanging fruits will still be given to ASB; not sure whether the shariah compliant will be able to match the ASB dividends.
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Yeah

The Syariah compliant is just that. Religious compliance.

The low hanging fruits will always be given to ASB ,which is pretty much like BR1M, a tongkat for certain sectors of the population.
Keep it in ASB.

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