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Wedchar2912
post Mar 13 2023, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Mar 13 2023, 02:02 PM)
Unker cannot agree. Parents have right to their own hard earned cash.

Children must be filial piety. No control their money nor lokap.

You cannot be Thanos. Human nature is such, next step, you'll end up justifying buying yourself a GLC300 using their money.

If parents bad in financial management, you oso kena teruk oledi. If the alt hypothesis is true. They proven they are ok.

Anak pi jaga $$$ sendiri.
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so does this mean that if the parents squandered away all their funds, the said children can choose to abandon the parents?

I am just wondering.....
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post Mar 13 2023, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Mar 13 2023, 03:45 PM)
Such an attitude. OMG. If i were your parents, young young i throw you in the rubbish dump.
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haha... they could have or they can still try, but I am the one taking care of them and paying for everything.
so you should really check your own attitude. (do note on your statement which is a personal attack)

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post Mar 14 2023, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Mar 14 2023, 09:47 AM)
Bro, Shhhh.....we out of topic.

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eh unker.... where is the shop in Malaysia?
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post Mar 14 2023, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Mar 14 2023, 10:42 AM)
Bro Char,
Silver Bullion Malaysia.
Got 3 branches Penang, KL, Johor.

I mapped against few such companies in MY. Credible.

But if happen to be in Sgp, buy in Sgp, ...Bullionstar, save few hundred $RM.

Ampun all, I try to share where possible, as Unker benefit lots from Kwsp Forum Seniors n Sifus. Also identified possible like minded kakis....
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tq tq Unker... will check them out one of these days. never really bought gold before, but it is time for me to consider diversifying into hard portable assets as well... smile.gif

used to go to SG a lot for work previously, but not anymore... so will focus on local shops.

btw, how to reach tier 5? is it all based on how much one buy?


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post Mar 14 2023, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 14 2023, 01:08 PM)
In FD and CC threads only. So I can start doing here if he want. Or i request to move this to kopitiam. This thread contains many valuabe info, but also too many OT.
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whats OT btw?

why move this thread to kopitiam? what you mentioned is very true... there are a lot of valuable info in here and it does not do justice to those of us who contributed positively to the discussion.
best is either remove those redundant info/noise (like racism etc) or just ban those who is obviously spamming.
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post Mar 15 2023, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 15 2023, 12:22 PM)
OK... I change my mind... let's give <10k accounts div+5%

-ve impact to >10k accounts should still be quite low... maybe < rm10... wild guessing didn't do the maths...

i think this is acceptable... maybe no need to fight it... laugh.gif
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the total funds of all those with lesser than 10K rm in EPF is like 19 billion ringgit only.
So if gov of the day wishes to gift them extra 5% div, go ahead. Not going to help them at all if the aim is to save them from a impoverished old age.
same token, the amount is so small that it only impacts the rest of the 1 trillion ringgit fund maybe 10 bps.

So, gov should just implement it and in same time gift 500rm extra to all these 10K rm below...

1 condition: they cannot withdraw anything until they are 60 years old.
Those who still insist in withdrawal can do so, but must then close their now empty EPF accounts to remove them EPF stats.

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post Mar 15 2023, 03:15 PM

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Chief strategy officer of the Employees Provident Fund (EPF), Nurhisham Hussein has said that individuals who are retiring in 20 to 30 years will need to have savings of at least RM900,000 to RM1 million. The amount is the “bare minimum” required, after factoring in variables such as inflation and medical bills – among others.

Meanwhile, Malaysians who are retiring in the next few years and staying in Kuala Lumpur will need about RM600,000 to have a “dignified” retirement. “When you look at the RM600,000 savings threshold, only about 4% of Malaysians could afford to retire. It’s a little lower outside of the Klang Valley,” Nurhisham further shared, adding that the amount will only cover ordinary outpatient medical needs or visits to general practitioners.

Nurhisham also stated that Alor Setar was found to be the most affordable place in country to lead a comfortable life upon retirement, but even that requires the retiree to have savings of at least RM480,000. This figure is twice the basic threshold for retirement savings of RM240,000.
QUOTE(fuzzy @ Mar 15 2023, 03:06 PM)
Even EPF fella don't believe in the 240k threshold set by EPF.
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partially/mostly scare tactics only.... the word bare minimum is the contention....

as of today: how many 70 years old and above actually have more than 240K rm to live off? they don't and yet they are living fine... not luxuriously, but still living.
of course, many depends on their kids or relatives and/or government/charities to support them. If removed all these, that will be a different story.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 17 2023, 02:30 PM)
A simple example of your ethical medical centres.

Once my auntie was charged for Panadol Rm12 per piece. The pharmacies were selling at 30 cents at the time.
My journalist cousin threaten to expose them. They reduced the price to Rm1.  laugh.gif

And all your explanation has not answered my question:

Payment by insurance invokes a higher charge from medical centres compared to cash payment for the same treatment. WHY?
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Not taking sides in this discussion about insurance, but need to self declare first that I am bias against insurance and some practices of medical centers.

Unfortunately, Panadol being charged 12 rm vs 30 cents from pharmacy is basically called business, whether we like it or not.
Same concept as blur blur or in a hurry to buy a new 13600KF processor in a bundle from a computer store, vs ordering it from amazon/shopee.

real life example also to share: medicines for a relative of mine for 1 month from a certain private medical center was RM 2K... then asked doctor to write prescription so we can purchase from pharmacy (doc tried to persuade us one time to continue to buy from the hospital pharma, but we said no insurance and the relative is retired... then doc never say anything else and wrote the prescription)...
bill from the same medicine from pharmacy came out a lot closer to Rm 200 than RM 300.

What do we call this? its business....
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post Mar 17 2023, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 17 2023, 03:07 PM)
I know it's a business being run there.
However, that amount of premium is too much.
That's just 1 instance.
The other is of course the payment difference of Rm30k vs 10k by insurance vs cash respectively.
It's business. But it's also scam territory.
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I agree with you.... especially when it comes out of my pocket...

unfortunately this is the system we live in.... sad.gif

(same like we walk in to a retail bank branch to do fx conversion and kena slapped by elephant wide bit-ask spread and then kena slapped by fees too when transferring to the same bank's oversea branch).

At least EPF didn't load us with front-end fee when we put 60K rm in. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 18 2023, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 18 2023, 05:16 PM)
Question: Why am I seeing posts from someone I put on ignore?
And Why's he/she able to see my posts?
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I believe the ignore feature only works on direct posting by the chap.

quotation of the chap's post is still visible to you.


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post Mar 20 2023, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 20 2023, 03:44 PM)
Anwar: I Can Be Popular By Allowing EPF Withdrawal, But Can A Responsible Person Do That?

Allowing any more Employees Provident Fund (EPF) withdrawals would negatively impact the investments and, in turn, affect the dividends paid to the contributors.

The government will find other ways to ease the burden on the people while ensuring that the investment funds are not affected.

https://says.com/my/news/anwar-i-can-be-pop...-person-do-that
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unfortunately, is he solving the issue?
in fact, he is also compounding on the problem... giving 500rm to those between 40 to 54 years old of below 10K rm. Guess what, now they expect 500rm handouts every year inside and in same time, asking for withdrawal to keep their balances below 10K rm.
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post Mar 22 2023, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Mar 22 2023, 10:44 AM)
15 a day = 450 a month. Bs lo. 150 a day more believable.

If you read the article clearly, it says kwsp gives 4-5% dividend and the interest in loan 8% or higher. So it still cost you money if you loan. It looks like personal loan rate. So it's not a good deal to loan. Which is correct. The issue then being what happens if default happen collateral means banks can take. Can they take kwsp money? If can't then it's free money? 😂 Still not a good idea.
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A bit weird the pricing.... the reason why personal loans are at 8 to 12% types is because of the borrower's riskiness. Once secured, the rates to be charged should come back down to mortgage rate comparables.

If it does not, then our banks would be damn happy because they get to earn unsecured rates on secured risk. nice.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 21 2023, 08:50 PM)
Also, the target group is the low income group.... say they borrow 10K rm... whatever the mechanism may be, in a year, they need to pay back 10.5K rm (lets say 5% interest rate).

that is extra 500rm spending. They are already in poor cashflow situation already. Where are they going to get the extra 500rm and now pay back the principal as well?
so come a year's time, all of them will again demand PMX or PMXI to allow them to withdraw from EPF...

lol.... joke of the century...

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Mar 22 2023, 03:52 PM)
Dig one bigger hole fill up the smaller hole. Delay tactic. At least solve issue now delay one year get bigger issue then solve that issue delay another year for a bigger hole then change pm time not my problem. Gov best tactic. I see until don't wanna see already. 😂
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well, if this is successful, at least EPF will be earning more div for all of us...
as banks will be giving out more loans and at least in the short term, making more profit from these secured loans at unsecured rates.

too bad the B40 and some M40 will have to suffer in the future for this. Not my problem... bye.gif to them.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 29 2023, 05:52 PM)
FlashNews 🎉👍

https://malaysiagazette.com/2023/03/29/pinj...4-5-setahun-pm/

# 4 million members qualify

# 4%to 5% interest rate per year @ Islamic term

# 3k to 50k maximum
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confusing.... 50K loan matching account 2. so M40 also benefit I guess?
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 29 2023, 08:35 PM)
Those ppl are really a small portion of EPF AUM.

This one probably is to appease the people like this minaci n makcik


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but it is so funny and weird... can make so much noise with so much passion... why not ask for something more useful like UBI?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 31 2023, 09:46 AM)
Probably that's the future plans..

Since many not ready for retirement in Malaysia 😁
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so easy to increase the withdrawal age meh?

B40 and M40 are demanding the ability to withdraw anytime they want...
just add T20 and we have the entire EPF members all asking the same thing....

if anything, withdrawal age should be reduced, irrespective of whether we are ready or not for retirement.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 31 2023, 04:13 PM)
yes. it's not easy but not fully impossible right?

would take longer time... probably another 5 years to 10years time???  when we become ageing nation  dry.gif 

BNM governor already hinting that... 60yo thingy... says extra 5 years is beneficial in longer term....
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well, nothing is impossible... it is just how probable.

increasing the withdrawal age of EPF will not solve anything. Increase of wages and full employment are (even this solution may not work for much longer).
Furthermore, with EPF paying decent returns (of course if this changes, then the scenario will be different) and the self-contribution limit per year increased to 100K rm, it would be better to lower the age and allow everyone the chance access to cash liquidity.

and in some sense, we don't want a big brother type of government that thinks it knows what is best for us all the time.

Aging nation or not, it may no longer be relevant in 10 years time when more and more jobs are automated. Nations have to adapt to this fact. Who knows... UBI may need to happen when nations can produce goods without human resource input.
(even the concept of retirement is a byproduct of the industrial age... 1st century farmers where got retirement one...)
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 31 2023, 05:17 PM)
Average life experancy in 1st century was 35 years old. So can YOLO.
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then alexander the great lived to a ripe old age.... biggrin.gif

problem with stats unfortunately.
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QUOTE(Wolves @ Mar 31 2023, 07:59 PM)
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You really dead set on UBI hor... 😂 It won't happen...
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At the rate Malaysia is deteriorating and how everyone is asking for handouts... may as well implement a proper UBI system then let these politicians take advantage of the people's naivety/stupidity/emotion for their political advancement.

plus the gov is spending so much on subsidies... just abolish all these, implement a proper tax system and support all those who are poor.

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