Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

73 Pages « < 19 20 21 22 23 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 EPF DIVIDEND, EPF

views
     
Wedchar2912
post Mar 5 2023, 08:44 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2023, 08:36 PM)
Hmm...

T10 but having average of 510k??

Should be 1mil minimum average? 😁
*
It is what it is.... that's the stats... and only an approximation as we only have the active members' stats.

But if we try to link (not the right way to link also) this T10 having 510K rm in EPF with Khazanah's T10's mean income of like 12K rm per month, one will really start to wonder....



This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Mar 5 2023, 08:52 PM
Wedchar2912
post Mar 5 2023, 08:58 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 5 2023, 08:54 PM)
What is Khazanah's T10?
*
the original T20, M40 And B40 Income Classifications...

I first read it from a khazanah report, but it could be created by DSOM...
Wedchar2912
post Mar 5 2023, 09:01 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 5 2023, 08:59 PM)
If its the Department of Stats one, then its about household income, not individuals.
*
yeah, i've adjusted the numbers to individual income already
Wedchar2912
post Mar 5 2023, 09:22 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 5 2023, 09:15 PM)
Can we continue to "add into" EPF after we reach 75 years old and already not employed ?

I know the dividends can still be paid up to 100 years old.
*
lets worry about that when we reach 75.... so many things can happen before then... sad.gif

but if I am not mistaken, once past 75, cannot contribute anymore. If anyone knows the answer, do correct me.
(edit: answer provided by post prior to this.... it is cannot)

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Mar 5 2023, 09:22 PM
Wedchar2912
post Mar 5 2023, 10:47 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 5 2023, 10:24 PM)
Sure 50% in fixed income...

Then how gomen want to sell their sukuk.... Must have EPF to subscribe....
*
you still have the banks, insurance and fund management...

one reason why EPF had to venture out of Malaysia is due to the restrictive market cap size of Malaysia's capital market: both fixed income and equities.
equity is like 2 trillion, government bond maybe 1 trillion?

EPF cannot just invest locally. I am sure EPF is having a headache with the 50% requirement in fixed income.
Wedchar2912
post Mar 6 2023, 11:37 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(plc255 @ Mar 6 2023, 11:15 AM)
From the EPF themselves they set the T10 cut-off at above RM155k... however there is no average given.
I think Wedchar2912 guesstimate average is better due to my guess that EPF figure probably included non-active members that had retired and empty out their account partially or fully at 55 but continue to work a few years more.

user posted image
Source: EPF SOCIAL PROTECTION INSIGHT VOL 5 2021 - Appendix H

However The Edge give the following figures some time back..

user posted image

Source: Putting old-age security within reach of Malaysians without public pension, RM1 mil savings

I had not followed up with the latest of the EPF statistics so I dont really know if there is any newer figures around.
*
Thanks plc255.

completely forgotten about the Appendix H. 15 million members, which means half of all Malaysians have EPF accounts. wow.

At least we now have 2 interesting info:
T10 of active members seems to be doing well...
T10 of all members are doing badly (if one just choose to interpret the number as that)... I am just waiting for politicians to spin this fact. hah
Wedchar2912
post Mar 6 2023, 11:59 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Mar 6 2023, 11:49 AM)
Above 155k is Top 10%?? Kek. So meaningless. At least 500k and above. 155k is what...doesn't even meet the low minimum retirement figure set back EPF back in the 60s or 70s!!!
*
Imagine one is 71 years old, took majority of one's funds out but left like 500rm inside and then forgotten about the EPF account afterwards...

this helps add to the stats.... blink.gif
Wedchar2912
post Mar 6 2023, 02:05 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 6 2023, 01:53 PM)
question, are financial advisors making millions for themselves already?
*
you would think so, but the answer is no for most of them in Malaysia....

It is a simple volume game... lets say they charge 1% on aum... that means 100 million ringgit of assets. Not easy to get people to trust you with 100 million ringgit for legit financial advisory...

(but 100 million for some scam, yes... damn easy)

Wedchar2912
post Mar 6 2023, 02:18 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 5 2023, 07:02 AM)
Is the Apps different from withdrawing via the website?
I have already validated the withdrawal via the website.
Do I need to validate the use of the Apps?
*
Turns out... I don't know how to use the app version...

Would like to ask if anyone knows if one can withdraw via the app? I cannot find any button that allows me to do withdrawal.
I can only find the ADD CONTRIBUTION button....


Maybe this is a good thing.... blink.gif
Wedchar2912
post Mar 6 2023, 02:24 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 6 2023, 02:21 PM)
also grow their own money ma
*
their refers to the financial advisors or the investors/customers?
Wedchar2912
post Mar 7 2023, 02:00 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Super2047 @ Mar 7 2023, 01:13 PM)
user posted image

How can it possible that someone has RM2M in EPF at the age of 20-24?
*
so envious of that chap....

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Mar 7 2023, 02:02 PM
Wedchar2912
post Mar 7 2023, 07:23 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(batman1172 @ Mar 7 2023, 06:31 PM)
why those millionaire don't withdraw?
*
yeah, why ar?

do they know something that the poor B40 and M40 don't know? brows.gif
Wedchar2912
post Mar 7 2023, 07:55 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 07:42 PM)
Just parking place...

Just for fun & see the $$$ growing YoY...

Don't actually need the $$$ too... So keep it there "collecting dust"
*
I may have to agree with you that some of them may actually get some utility from just watching the number grow... much like me playing some games and I just like to see the resources tick up.

hoarders they are... smile.gif
Wedchar2912
post Mar 8 2023, 11:53 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Rinth @ Mar 8 2023, 11:41 AM)
why cant all these article just reflect the real deal by mentioning the pension funds those gomen servant gets after they pencen and reverse calculate how much those pension worth for each individual gomen servant....as we "shockingly" know that 99% gomen servant is bumiputera and their pencen total payout untill they pass away and their spouse continue to get, and if not mistaken their son can continue get it?(correct me if im wrong im not gomen servant). i believe alot individual gomen servant that worked untill retirement age can more or less pencen value as much as millionaire's dividend in EPF..
*
There is a logical reason why gov don't want this info known publicly and officially... because knowing it will also means rating agencies will use that number and lump it in together with the debt of the country. Pencen cashflow, including future payment, is a legal obligation...

Malaysia gov currently engaged like 1 million employees? imagine all of them gets cashflow of min 36K per year... that's 36 billion ringgit per annum obligation already.

(I'm sure this info is already reported.... just lazy to search it for now)
Wedchar2912
post Mar 8 2023, 01:22 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 8 2023, 12:37 PM)
Pardon me if this is common knowledge. I only realised this the other day when I looked at EPF press release on their B40, M40 & T20. Why is the number of members in B40 and M40 the same? I used to think that there is only 1 common set B40, M40 & T20 for our country. Wrong. The reason why B40 and M40 member numbers in EPF are the same is that B40 is 40% of the members from the bottom up and M40 is the next 40% of the EPF population.

Ditto for B40, M40 & T20 in LHDN. And others.

So, we cannot compare/equate B40 in EPF to B40 in LHDN. Different population segment.

Maybe we can compare B40 in EPF with B40 of another retirement fund.

If I am wrong, please give me a shout. Thanks.

P/S Curious, which B40 is higher, EPF or LHDN?  Saw a report stating RM35k to RM100k as LHDN M40.
*
Don't know.... but what I know is I am clearly in B40 according to the DSOM/LHDN definition.... in fact, I am at the bottomest 1% for sure.

I deserve handouts, and it should be based on DSOM/LHDN definition...

Please ignore my balance in EPF.

tongue.gif rclxms.gif
Wedchar2912
post Mar 8 2023, 03:39 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 8 2023, 03:32 PM)
Were you able to recieve the Bantuan Rahmah recently?

You might also get patrol subsidy if they implement the subsidy reduction proposal.

Also can try apply for cheap housing like rumahwip.
*
this Bantuan Rahmah is the one with like a few hundred one like a few months ago by PH gov... (essentially renamed BRIM rite?)?
yes for this....

I read, but didn't pay attention at all... got something like STR and supposed to get more... this one I didn't see anything. or have not started yet cos it is in the budget???

Petrol subsidy if implement, I of course want, but personally i feel they should not implement this... should just implement UBI to all instead.

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Mar 8 2023, 03:40 PM
Wedchar2912
post Mar 8 2023, 04:06 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(batman1172 @ Mar 8 2023, 03:57 PM)
UBI should be unconditional cash payment to everyone regardless of their earnings/employment/race etc... Would people be motivated to work for their passion or for extra income?
*
have you known some annoying colleagues in office that is basically not being paid well, but sure hell is motivated to work and to make your life miserable? haha

nonetheless, money is a great motivator... the UBI is only supposed to cover the very bare minimum to ensure the recipient can have a decent standard of living. (i guess enough to get a cheap second hand vivo phone but not iphone 14)

so yes, I support unconditional UBI to all citizens regardless. Tax the T20 and M40 more and remove petrol subsidies, AP rubbish, etc. lol
Wedchar2912
post Mar 8 2023, 06:05 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Wolves @ Mar 8 2023, 05:10 PM)
...
I actually agree with UBI. The question is how much is acceptable living amount and how they source the money and how to implement it. I also support unconditional or even just unemployed (coz i will jump into that category without a second thought if the amount is good enough). The issue is this, can we trust the gov agency who is doing it? If you say let kwsp handle it then it's i agree. Kwsp is not gov but at the same time part of gov and thier work is definitely top class. Not like gov sector. And they have everything under thier fingers. Easily accessible information and data, efficient staff and most importantly everybody knows where the office is and familiar with thier working. I wouldn't mind going kwsp to get my ubi or direct bank in after processed by kwsp tongue.gif
*
No lar... it should not be kwsp...

a good department to take over this respobsibility of UBI is actually LHDN. All citizens who wishes to get UBI will need to have a income tax account (gov already wants this to happen), and LHDN will distribute the UBI.
For sake of discussion, lets say UBI for a person was decided to be 500rm per month. So everyone will get a tax credit of RM 500 per month, and those with credit will just ask LHDN to credit their bank accounts.
(solves the issue of T20 making noice, cos they will automatically get 500rm credit per month to knock off their PCB)


edit: anyone have a good idea what to call this tax credit? I don't mean tax rebate nor tax relief. Basically it is credit payable back to tax payer.

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Mar 8 2023, 06:17 PM
Wedchar2912
post Mar 8 2023, 06:15 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Wolves @ Mar 8 2023, 06:11 PM)
I thought you say unconditional. Why tax credit? If i not working i no income i use tax credit deduct what ah? If i work and income too low i get tax credit for? If i retired then i get tax credit for? Don't agree. That is not ubi. That's tax advantage for rich ppl only.
*
yeah, unconditional...

sorry, maybe I used the wrong phrase... I meant tax overpaid... not tax relief or rebates....
Essentially it is money to the tax payee.

What phrase should this be called? I just called it tax credit because it is credit back to the holder.

So what it means is... say I already retired. every month I will have a tax credit of 500rm, which I can request LHDN to credit my bank account for me to spend.
but if I decided to go back to work, and due to my new salary, I should be paying 900 rm per month to be deducted from my salary. The 500rm credit will knock off the 900 rm, so PCB deduction should be 400rm only.

This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Mar 8 2023, 06:19 PM
Wedchar2912
post Mar 8 2023, 06:33 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,687 posts

Joined: Apr 2019
QUOTE(Wolves @ Mar 8 2023, 06:27 PM)
Then this is not UBI. UBI is universal basic income. It means everybody above 18 (or whatever legal working age is) is given a fix amount of money irregardless of what situation he is in. He can be working, retired, studying, retrenched, unemployed or whatever it is with an exception he is not in the country or PR or tourist (only citizen). It is money given to all citizen of the country that is within the country so they have some money they can use to eat or survive so they will not resort to crime.
*
it is lar... do just read what I wrote.

as long as the citizen has a tax account, will get the "tax credit" and can just take out to spend if the overall amount is LDHN owes him money. Of course if he owes government tax, you think he should still get the "tax credit"?

eitherway, I think we both agree on UBI just implementation diff in opinion. better not go way off topic for both of us. haha.


73 Pages « < 19 20 21 22 23 > » Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0436sec    0.37    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 20th December 2025 - 03:02 PM