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post Feb 7 2024, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Feb 7 2024, 10:05 AM)
You have the concept all wrong. Dividend is for past year performance. This is not Fixed Deposit tell you how many % interest rates for 12 mth.
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he is asking for next year wink.gif he didn't know how to phrase it properly

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post Feb 7 2024, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 7 2024, 10:29 AM)
What??

Where got start from end of March one boss 🤔🧐
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i already say i dunno these stuff mah... hahaha

i was thinking... declare in March... credit in March... so if follow the normal deposit calc... 1 day/last day in March lor... hahaha

i check statement doesnt should this way... so i now think its lumped back into opening balance, so should start back on Jan... sweat.gif

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post Feb 7 2024, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 7 2024, 10:13 AM)
Overthinking alert*
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keeps our brain active a bit... especially retirees tongue.gif

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post Feb 7 2024, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 7 2024, 10:40 AM)
EPF not that efficient to calculate on Jan itself... For the previous year contribution....

That's why delay till March for dividend calculation & crediting... They also got all those numbers from investment & admin to process too.... Such huge fund....
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calculations already built into the system...

delays is most likely getting mof/gov approval on what number to declare....

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post Feb 21 2024, 07:09 PM

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klse up... good for epf

myr down... good for epf fx conv

tikam higher... hahaha

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post Feb 21 2024, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Feb 21 2024, 10:30 PM)
Klse up thsi year only..divvy for last year performance.
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4Q also up ah...
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post Feb 27 2024, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Feb 27 2024, 07:29 AM)
so 100k in jan VS 100k throughout 12 mths,

the first one will earn more, right?
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yes... otherwise everyone will only topup on dec 28...

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post Mar 1 2024, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(ongth60 @ Mar 1 2024, 06:02 PM)
We keep speculating about yearly dividend but do we have independent body that monitors epf investment strategy to meet any KPI set like dividend return? Like operating expenses of EPF, etc..

If you think of EPF as public company, then ROI is very important
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kpi is that 2.5%

looks like this year will beat it again wink.gif

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post Mar 3 2024, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 3 2024, 07:19 PM)
Given this dividend rate.. Will it be better if I take out from Account 2 and put into house loan?
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still no
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post Mar 3 2024, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 3 2024, 08:27 PM)

Because EPF rate is still better?
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yes. done the maths before...

even if same rate... money in epf better than settling the loan

epf dividend is compounding... whilst mortgage is reducing

best you do your own maths to confirm wink.gif
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post Mar 5 2024, 10:24 AM

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shukor... better than fd... hahaha

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post Mar 16 2024, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 16 2024, 09:45 AM)
Its a bad idea to use your retirement fund for your kids education.
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parents always want the best for kids lah...

money for education needed here n now.... retirement many years down the road... no question on priority

as long as not char siew kids good liao... biggrin.gif

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post Mar 17 2024, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 17 2024, 09:20 AM)
BTW, those that does not hv millions but just some, ..if your children can study,
If you think overseas has better future in terms of politic, financial, education or career growth prospect of your children, can try this, ...( just an example, many more in google)

ASEAN Scholarship for Malaysia
These ASEAN scholarships are for students from Malaysia joining Secondary 1, Secondary 3 or Pre-university 1 in selected Singapore secondary schools or junior colleges. Find out if you are eligible and how to apply.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/financial-matters/aw...arship/malaysia
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asean scholarship not easy to get oh...

easiest way is... learn german, french, japanese, etc... then apply their local uni for scholarship... many uni got quota for diversity.... so quite easy to get...

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post Mar 17 2024, 10:31 AM

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oversea uni life exposure/experience... this window is narrow comes only once... seriously if can afford dun miss it... end of the day, is you and your kids...

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post Mar 17 2024, 10:56 AM

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see that ronnie chieng guy... sent overseas study law and commerce... end up joker comedian... hahaha...

for sure his parents dream pecah... plenty of stories like this, mostly bad outcome...

end of the day, before spending your hard earned epf money on kids... better have a real heart to heart talk lah...

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post Mar 22 2024, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Mar 22 2024, 09:18 AM)
EPF is a good place to keep realized gains after 20+ years of investing in SP500 and other ETFs. As long as market is positive, rebalance equity to EPF and reverse the process is market is down. Too bad EPF only allows 100k. why can' they increase it?
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ppl who can dump 100k 200k 500k... can easily withdraw the same if not more... makes life difficult for epf...

imagine market down... ppl start withdrawing xxx mils to dump into sp500 etc... this forces epf to sell/liquidate when market down... dividend will surely sucks even more... and then when ppl made enough and dump back xxxx mils into epf at market high... lol...

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post Mar 23 2024, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Mar 23 2024, 09:52 AM)
Only 2.9% real return from epf. Means inflation 2.6% ?

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ividend-payout/
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the few FMT articles ive read... are all quite stupid

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post Mar 25 2024, 11:47 AM

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epf is retirement savings... it is not investment per se...

if one is risk averse to investing, and have enough backup funds outside... then is very good idea to dump excess into epf... afterall epf is better than bank fd... and better than almost all local mutual funds...

otherwise, one should always try to make bank outside of epf, with epf being your safety net...

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post Mar 25 2024, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 25 2024, 04:22 PM)
Yup, epf is a mixed balanced fund in terms of asset allocation.

Over the years, epf has evolved from a "conservative fund" to a more "balanced fund" and has taken up more equity risk. This increased tisk is balanced out by diversification offshore.
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it may have a balanced portfolio... but can still be conservative in its overall approach...

equities risk are not the same...

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post Mar 28 2024, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 28 2024, 09:51 AM)
Following the poll from 34 voters only
and mod has locked it  prevented more votings...dont know for what reason

largest group of 14 said
when  KWSP fund grows bigger, it has NEGATIVE EFFECT on investment return
citing what  Warren Buffet's managers  excuse for lower returns

so we can expect get lower KWSP return and dividend next time?

for sure KWSP fund size can only go up and up.
Monthly contribution RM9 billion!

As it is now we are not getting that high return like what Warren Buffet funds did.

From 5.5% last year, are you guys expecting  a down trend dividends like this

2024  = 5%

2025 = 4.8%

2026  = 4.5%
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5.5 - 6% probably the new norm...

i probably won't withdraw... continue to work on side hussle to make bank... and topup epf... hahaha


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