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kpfun
post Aug 10 2016, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(LNYC @ Aug 10 2016, 01:40 PM)
+1

even though i also one of the member who hope the investment can be divided to two. But, it is so true that a lot of works need to be done if allowed 2 accounts. the investment would be very tedious, the calculation of profit.
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Computer can do it within a second for each member.

The real challenge is, let say, EPF declares 6% for 2017, and Islamic EPF declares 3%. Those transferred fund, particularly from non Muslims, will move back to EPF, over the night. The huge unscheduled withdrawal from Islamic EPF to EPF, will screw up the invested instruments in the Islamic EPF. Some are used in the long term investments, which are not easy to withdraw.

Unit Trust can do that, because the price is fully responsible by the subscribers. Whereas, pension fund has different agenda in the commitment.

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wil-i-am
post Aug 10 2016, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Zhik @ Aug 10 2016, 01:03 PM)
Total no of kwsp member till date is >600 million.
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R u sure d above is correct? hmm.gif

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post Aug 10 2016, 05:04 PM

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Ageing population in Malaysia a 'potential crisis'
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...otential-crisis
nexona88
post Aug 10 2016, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(Zhik @ Aug 10 2016, 01:03 PM)
In my opinion.
To date, kwsp has been existent  for 60 years.
Total no of kwsp member till date is >600 million.
So if there is some changes, like convert to total or part of islamic kwsp, it would be a great burden to them.
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typo error?

last I saw is around 15mil members only smile.gif
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92% of Malaysians worry over retirement funds, says BNM
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post Aug 10 2016, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 10 2016, 06:37 AM)
U may use a coin to decide  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 10 2016, 08:09 AM)
Keep as it is lot laugh.gif
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waiting for news update. Will visit them after this "convert festival" less hype biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(annas473 @ Aug 10 2016, 10:45 PM)
waiting for news update. Will visit them after this "convert festival" less hype biggrin.gif
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better make fast decision..

already 41k member sign up biggrin.gif
LNYC
post Aug 10 2016, 11:41 PM

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any taikor taijie here already made up mind and signed up?
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post Aug 11 2016, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(LNYC @ Aug 10 2016, 11:41 PM)
any taikor taijie here already made up mind and signed up?
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I have decided to stay put
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post Aug 11 2016, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 10 2016, 10:49 PM)
better make fast decision..

already 41k member sign up  biggrin.gif
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Interesting.

But to me, 41k out of x million is still a small no. Less than 0.01%.

How much is that 41K accounts in terms of RM? They are aiming for RM100 billion, right? Using an average RM167K per account, 41,000*167,000 = RM7 billion. My apology to those with 10* 167K per account for stating the average as 167K!

That RM amount is a better indication of the demand rather than just the number of accounts.

My 2 cents.

P/S My current plan is to stick to the original fund though I think the govt will try their best to make this 2nd fund looks look due to the religion connection. Just imagine, this fund gives a lower % than the original fund %. The new fund members will be crying and accusing the govt of betraying them, religion, etc etc. No offence intended here in speaking my mind.
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post Aug 11 2016, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 11 2016, 09:52 AM)
Interesting.

But to me, 41k out of x million is still a small no. Less than 0.01%.

How much is that 41K accounts in terms of RM? They are aiming for RM100 billion, right? Using an average RM167K per account, 41,000*167,000 = RM7 billion. My apology to those with 10* 167K per account for stating the average as 167K!

That RM amount is a better indication of the demand rather than just the number of accounts.

My 2 cents.

P/S My current plan is to stick to the original fund though I think the govt will try their best to make this 2nd fund looks look due to the religion connection. Just imagine, this fund gives a lower % than the original fund %. The new fund members will be crying and accusing the govt of betraying them, religion, etc etc. No offence intended here in speaking my mind.
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Agreed.

Sometimes I wonder - if the 2nd fund performs well year after year beating 1st fund, what is stopping the 1st fund from investing in those invested by 2nd fund? To me, it should not outperform each other but compliment. I dont see one being much better off that the other. Perhaps only 0.5% diff.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 11 2016, 09:52 AM)
Interesting.

But to me, 41k out of x million is still a small no. Less than 0.01%.

How much is that 41K accounts in terms of RM? They are aiming for RM100 billion, right? Using an average RM167K per account, 41,000*167,000 = RM7 billion. My apology to those with 10* 167K per account for stating the average as 167K!

That RM amount is a better indication of the demand rather than just the number of accounts.

My 2 cents.

P/S My current plan is to stick to the original fund though I think the govt will try their best to make this 2nd fund looks look due to the religion connection. Just imagine, this fund gives a lower % than the original fund %. The new fund members will be crying and accusing the govt of betraying them, religion, etc etc. No offence intended here in speaking my mind.
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Well I'm maintaining as usual..
Yes the numbers of members don't reflect the actual situation..
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post Aug 11 2016, 01:47 PM

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For those who will opt for I-KWSP, it is my opinion they are not doing it for the ROI, but rather for their religious belief.

A slight drop of 1 or 2 percent is peanuts to them, for they belief the real reward, the one that is permanent is to begotten not in this world but the here after.

So arguing it from the perspective of ROI is a moot point for them.

Xuzen

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post Aug 11 2016, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 11 2016, 01:47 PM)
For those who will opt for I-KWSP, it is my opinion they are not doing it for the ROI, but rather for their religious belief.

A slight drop of 1 or 2 percent is peanuts to them, for they belief the real reward, the one that is permanent is to begotten not in this world but the here after.

So arguing it from the perspective of ROI is a moot point for them.

Xuzen
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+1

spot on..

anyhow wonder there's any effect on the conventional EPF dividend rate going future..

the big boss say No effect, but I got some doubt hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Aug 11 2016, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 11 2016, 01:47 PM)
For those who will opt for I-KWSP, it is my opinion they are not doing it for the ROI, but rather for their religious belief.

A slight drop of 1 or 2 percent is peanuts to them, for they belief the real reward, the one that is permanent is to begotten not in this world but the here after.

So arguing it from the perspective of ROI is a moot point for them.

Xuzen
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yeah, the hype is mainly for religious reasons...... dont want to earn from sin business, etc...
indirectly meaning govt pays them less also ok ...
??you guys still wanna join
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post Aug 11 2016, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 11 2016, 02:10 PM)
yeah,  the hype is mainly for religious reasons...... dont want to earn from sin business, etc...
indirectly meaning govt pays them less also ok ...
??you guys still wanna join
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Cannot say one. Look at ASB, ASB2, Maybank eGIA-i. whistling.gif whistling.gif

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post Aug 11 2016, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 11 2016, 02:21 PM)
Cannot say one. Look at ASB, ASB2, Maybank eGIA-i.  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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yeah ada logic jugak, mahu kasi "kamu" untung,
dapat untung lebih mesti gua join jugak. so wait and see.
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post Aug 11 2016, 07:21 PM

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yesterday news say 41k member convert.

today news say 120k member..

tomorrow? 300k members?

next week 1mil members shocking.gif
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post Aug 11 2016, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 11 2016, 07:21 PM)
yesterday news say 41k member convert.

today news say 120k member..

tomorrow? 300k members?

next week 1mil members shocking.gif
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I hope someone from EPF is following us here.

Like to know how much of the RM100 billion has been taken up.

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post Aug 11 2016, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Aug 11 2016, 08:56 PM)
I hope someone from EPF is following us here.

Like to know how much of the RM100 billion has been taken up.

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I dun think they will reveal

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