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Ramjade
post May 19 2015, 11:48 AM

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What's the difference between epf and kwap?

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Ramjade
post Jun 11 2015, 01:24 PM

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I thought epf answer to some kind of watch dog?
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post Jun 11 2015, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 11 2015, 01:25 PM)
and this watchdog reports to who?
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Cause I read some where epf have like a yearly record where can see they invested in what and what
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post Oct 19 2015, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 19 2015, 10:28 AM)
I don't get it,... like I said, if more people withdraw out upon retirement age, then we, the contributors will get less dividend. So, why encourage more people to withdraw ?
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Don't listen to him. He's like unker xxx who is anti-goverment. His goal is withdraw epf, so that you don't give the goverment money.
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post Oct 19 2015, 12:51 PM

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supersound you tell me you rather give money to insurance company or put inside epf (to claim income tax)?
Ramjade
post Oct 21 2015, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 21 2015, 08:01 AM)
EPF to pay 2.5% dividend under amended EPF Act

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015...vidend-EPF-Act/
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So 2.5% is the minimum? Before this how much was the minimum?
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post Oct 21 2015, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Oct 21 2015, 08:12 AM)
iinm, there was none. they always declare based on performance.

this amendment will introduce 2nd dividend rate, not replace existing one.
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What does is the meaning of this 2nd dividend rate? Original + min 2.5% extra?
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post Oct 21 2015, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 21 2015, 08:37 AM)
It's all about Syariah.  If you choose not to be under this scheme, then you do not partake in the performance of the Fund. Then their obligation is only 2.5% as far as they are concerned.

Meaning everyone irrespective of race and religion is FORCED to accept Islamic principles. 

This is Malaysian fair and equitable principles.
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I don't think that is true. Both also will be given NO LESS THAN 2.5% (from what I read, I understand that both will be minimum 2.5%). Could be wrong here.
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post Oct 21 2015, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 21 2015, 08:41 AM)
Here....says it all....read carefully
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Then what is this?
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The Bill also states that the EPF may have the power to declare a dividend of not less than 2.5% per annum for those whose elections have not taken effect.


It meant even those who didn't make the change, EPF can give dividend of min 2.5%. So is not restricted to those who switch.
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post Oct 21 2015, 09:06 AM

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cherroy so what does the new statement meant?
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post Oct 21 2015, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 21 2015, 09:10 AM)
The sentence was more due to shariah principle, or islamic banking principal, they cannot have fixed "interest", but based on profit sharing principal.

Just like conventional FD vs islamic deposit.

They can't put minimum fixed return/interest in islamic product.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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So is change in name/principles ? Nothing major on the dividends right?
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post Oct 21 2015, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 21 2015, 09:31 AM)
If implemented an EPF account holder need to choose to stay in conventional account or change to the new KWSP-i. These 2 accounts would have 2 diff dividend rate of at least 2.5%. Correct?

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...ccount-says-epf
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I think is to address the concern that epf investment are not Syariah compliance. So some may see the money as "haram" So for those who choose Syariah, I am sure epf investment will be Syariah compliance while those who choose conventional account, need not have Syariah compliance. But both will still achieved the same amount of dividends.
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post Oct 21 2015, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 21 2015, 10:31 AM)
Since in the EPF Act, they already have the power why is it new?
The report does not say that those who elect NOT follow the Syariah principles would get their dividends according to the performance of the fund. Or is that taken as it is?

Are there going to be two funds?
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Cause Islamic banking stuff cannot have interest/dividend term in it. So come up with another name call profit sharing rate.

I am guessing one will be Syariah compliance, one does not need to. But returns will be the same. Is just amendments to the act to introduce Islamic account. That's all. After what cherroy wrote, that's just what happen


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post Oct 21 2015, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Oct 21 2015, 10:49 AM)
just robbing our money to fund I business/product. this is DAY-LIGHT ROBBERY, the bait is only 2.5% dividen if u opt NOT to sweat.gif  sweat.gif

next year, those opt in syariah gets 7.8% while conventional gets 2.8% doh.gif
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McFD2R Geez. Don't be so negative about Islamic product. Did you know that maybank Islamic efd 1 month beats all normal efd by margin of 0.1%? Conventional efd is 3.15% while the Islamic efd is 3.25%.Islamic product is not always bad. Is just different name for same concept.

You are forgetting that the other act said conventional epf still can give minimum of 2.5% same with the new act which said Islamic epf also give minimum 2.5%

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post Oct 21 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Oct 21 2015, 11:13 AM)
are you cashing out max?
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People want to withdraw let them redraw. Don't stop them. whistling.gif
Remember pain is the best teacher
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post Oct 21 2015, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(fatw3apon @ Oct 21 2015, 01:00 PM)
Why do people hate EPF so much when they have been giving high dividend for so long.

Anyway I am going to ask a valid question, do you think conventional or syariah portfolio will give more dividends? smile.gif
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I will answer your question with the following question.
1. Do you trust the one who handle epf?
2. Why is epf always being pick on for you know what? whistling.gif

Anyway, I am STILL OK with epf as long as no news appear that one cannot withdraw. But I wouldn't dump everything into it. As Unker dreamer said: diversify!

I reckoned same dividend. Name only different. If they give different, sure cause an uproar.
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post Oct 21 2015, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 21 2015, 02:13 PM)
The amendment doesn't state you can't withdraw after 55, even one opt to KWSP-i, so don't need pre-judge on anything that is not occuring.

If EPF intend to hang on the money, they can impose higher age withdrawal, or emulate what is done by CPF.
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"Apart from that, the Bill also seeks to introduce a new section to provide that any contribution that has been credited into the account of a member after he or she has attained the age of 55 may only be withdrawn when the member turns 60."

But they said can only withdraw after 60 if one were to put money in after 55. Am I missing something? Why double standards? Any money deposited before 55 can be withdraw but any money deposited after 55 years old cannot be removed?

What did CPF do?
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post Oct 21 2015, 06:07 PM

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Hansel you are wrong there. If you are below 55 and all your life you have been contributing to epf, you can withdraw all/partial when you hit 55 years old.

That rule only apply if you decide to add money into epf after you are 55. If you don't add money inside but just withdrawing the money, you are allowed to withdraw. Only if you add in money then you have to wait until you reach 60 years old to withdraw.
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post Oct 21 2015, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 21 2015, 06:17 PM)
You read wrongly and misinterpreted my posting wrongly,... I said if you have any sen left inside the account when you touch 55yo, it will be locked inside ill you are 60yo. In other words, if you apply to withdraw any amount by 55yo, you can OF COURSE WITHDRAW when you touch 55yo. You may still have 'leftover' inside the account after this 55yo withdrawal.

As for withdrawing any amount 'leftover' beyond 55yo, they are silent on this.

As for adding money into EPF after 55yo, you are not allowed to withdraw till you are 60yo.

Please read the grammar carefully,... and carry with you a tinge of legal conceptions with it.
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Hansel, from what I read, if you do not topup, you can withdraw anytime. If you topup at the age of 55 or more, you can only withdraw at 60. So the choice is yours. Topup and give away your rights to withdraw or don't topup and have the flexibility to withdraw anytime.

Anyway, it haven't been pass yet. Still being debated. For now, the old rules still apply. smile.gif
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post Oct 22 2015, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 22 2015, 10:21 AM)
i suggest that as with ASB and others, in Malaysia the only way this is going to work is to differentiate the two funds completely.

i have another question: Is it halal for Muslims to be handling non Syariah products?
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I think if the investment is not haram, (alcohol, gambling), even if not Syariah compliance, is still OK.

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