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post Aug 18 2023, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Aug 18 2023, 02:35 PM)
Will Akaun 55/Emas allow continuous voluntary contribution ?
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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Aug 18 2023, 03:01 PM)
Good question, I also want to know.
Send an email to KWSP Customer Service and do share their formal response here.
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Yes
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post Aug 26 2023, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 26 2023, 09:42 AM)
Hopefully the outsource fund managers does the job well enough... Like one article mentioned 10% ROI 👍

So even with 70% local exposure... Can still make some good returns 😁
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Has anyone invested in funds by Phiem Asset Management the fund manager that is generating 10% ROI for EPF?
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post Sep 14 2023, 12:54 PM

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Blxxdy hell, suddenly so many posts, i tot something collapse.
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post Sep 19 2023, 12:11 AM

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For EPF, can nominees be wife or children who r non-Malaysian?
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post Sep 20 2023, 01:54 PM

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If have 6mil, assuming 5% yearly returns, 3% reinvested, 2% for expenses@rm10k/month(120k/yr), can last many many years.
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post Oct 7 2023, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Oct 6 2023, 02:59 PM)
cannot touch is also one of the reasons that i'm not too keen

what if they die before 55? who will they nominate as beneficiaries?

or what if they hit critical illness?

Also, I've read too many news about people wanting to remove their children's name from their will. Of course we hope they grow up to be successful and also maintain a healthy relationship with us, but they could also be charsiew and ditch their parents. You never know, and since the money is given away it's too late - they don't have to visit you.

At least if I keep the money in my own EPF account, when I die they can have it. Or I can choose to give it away to others.

I'm on the mindset I want to give them a beginning (stepping stone) to succeed, not an ending.

Well there's no right or wrong way. A lot to think about  smile.gif
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To me it is not a good idea to keep money in children epf which is locked for many years in a depreciating MYR.
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post Oct 7 2023, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 7 2023, 08:09 AM)
Unfortunately 8 digits here is pittance in Australia.  laugh.gif

It will be tenanted by the children. And us when we visit.  laugh.gif
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I was told a 2bedroom apartment in Melbourne can cost >RM2 million, n 2br house > 5mil.
Yes the children can seek greener pastures overseas, but our money can stretch better in MY.
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post Oct 7 2023, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 7 2023, 12:32 PM)
Probably can only afford an apartment in Melbourne.
Near CBD 1 bedroom 200 to 600k
2 bedroom 1 bath 450 to 700k
2 bedroom 2 bath 500k to 1.1mil

Houses on the East 800k to sky.

Not sure if our MYR salary can stretch far.
Found out that pork, chicken is almost same price as some major Msian towns.
Beef and diary is much cheaper.
My daughter earns 5k as freshie. Pays $18 to 22 for pork.
Msian earns 3.5k pays MYR 40 to 50 for pork. Go figure.
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Yeah OZ groceries r cheap that is if one always cook at home but if working n eating out most of time, the cost could be high.
Most young MYsian dont like cooking, may be your daughter is different.
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post Oct 7 2023, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Oct 7 2023, 08:51 PM)
Actually I am not really a property guy... prefer financial instruments to hold my wealth.

I lived overseas before, mainly in the states. There, the main reason why it is more advantageous to own is due to tax deduction, especially if high income. But back then, I didn't plan to work there long term(yeah, not very smart of me in that sense), so not worth the hassle vs renting.

I suspect australia maybe have the same optimization problem. If it is under your daughter's name and your daughter gets to deduct the interest component, it may be more advantagous  to own vs rent.  But would your daughter be stationary or mobile and move somewhere since she is still very young.

I thought the mortgage rate there is quite high now?
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I think the mortgage rate is ~7%, FD interest ~5%.
Auction market is hot cause many defaults.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-28/new-...tress/102757414

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post Oct 16 2023, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 16 2023, 12:18 PM)
Just do note about the availability of "locking in" period in epf
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May be account 3 able to tackle this.
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post Oct 19 2023, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Oct 19 2023, 01:23 PM)
a lot of self claim b40 and actual b40 is having luxury of T20 or T10 or even T5
this is not specific to you but i have friends who lives in kampung own durian farm vegetable farm and drive alphard yet only deal with cash term
no pay tax
gov no record
money dont keep in bank
only keep gold bar
but is all hard earn money
yet gov BRIM BKM or whatever B also get
this is the reality

working group = those kena penalize
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No record but can buy land n farm, sure or not?
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post Oct 26 2023, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 26 2023, 06:05 PM)
Yep. So just vote whoever gives them tongkat.  This is why I said this country is heading for Final Destination. Too late to change track.
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exit plan triggered,hope not too late.
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post Nov 3 2023, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Nov 3 2023, 11:52 AM)
why not? it gov is silly enough to define B40 based on taxable income...
which is what they are doing now....

I get STR, and BR1M previously.
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No more after those, i think now they check various sources including directorship. With PADU, even stricter.
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post Nov 9 2023, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 9 2023, 09:01 AM)
Correct also...

EPF withdrawal $$$ simply cannot go anyone bank account...

One of the safety features 👍
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What about joint account?
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post Nov 16 2023, 01:45 PM

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Wow so confident.
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post Nov 29 2023, 05:07 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Nov 29 2023, 03:55 AM)
If you're in government, they do offer very cheap personal loan.

Yes. You can then do that to put into epf. It's good debt. Meaning it gives you free money every month. I'm doing that atm.

You just need to make sure you've enough buffer to pay off the loan the next 5-10 years

Some people may think additional 1% is nothing. Put check the compounding chart of a 6% vs a 7% then see what difference it makes if you put long term.

And epf is a long term game.
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U mean govt servants can get cheap personal loan (from govt or bank) and at what rate?

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post Dec 4 2023, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(coyouth @ Dec 4 2023, 10:17 AM)
i wonder why they managed to place good people in KWSP, but all the other GLCs, they hire useless political figures there. so strange.
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Cos it is a 1 trillion dinosaur that cant afford to get injured.
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post Dec 20 2023, 01:33 PM

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15% isaraan rebates spread over 40years is ~0.375%/year using simple maths. After 41years at age 55, what will happen to MYR? 43years ago 1.02MYR=1.00SGD.
Personally i wont do it for my kid.
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post Dec 20 2023, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 20 2023, 01:49 PM)
You may have oversimplified things a bit. 15% is given every year (until it's abolished by the government), so it's not spread over 40 years.

Since opening my EPF account in 2019, my IRR for EPF, in MYR terms, is about 10% p.a. (inclusive of both EPF dividend + i-saraan incentive).

Of course if the incentive is removed, the IRR will converge towards EPF dividend rates, but in absolute terms, you are still better off than if you had not started contributing to i-saraan early in your life. Compounding interests really helps, especially if done at the early phase of your life.*

*Sigh... tell this to the young people who go for skydiving and travel all too often...

It's not a lot of money after all, 2000 MYR a year...
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ROI looks high for the 1st few years cos of the one time 15% (15%+5.2+6.1+5.0)/3=10.43%, but u cant realise it n withdraw, have to keep it there for 40years.
I was initially tempted but after calculation it is not for me. Anyway my kid not likely to work here.
U have to treat each deposit of rm3333/year separately cos we want to see the effect on this 3333 not next 9 years' deposits (they r treated separately).
In 2024 u deposit 3333 n get 500, assuming 3333+500=3833 starts from January n epf dividend is 6%, your EOY balance with div for 2024 will be 4063.
Every year for the next 39 years assuming u r getting 6% compounding will get u a final amount of 41790 equivalent to ROI of 6.15%, 0.15% more than the 6% only.
Bare in mind the money is stuck there for 40 years. As a comparison MYR has depreciated against SGD at >3%/year.

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post Dec 20 2023, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 20 2023, 04:12 PM)
Oh, I am assuming every year there is 500 MYR coming in. You look at one year 500 MYR only and deduce the ROI from there. Fair enough, I don't know when will the 500 MYR candy stops flowing. And 2k MYR is not a lot in SGD terms... that is 567 SGD only...  for some exposure to MYR is ok lah laugh.gif 

As for SGD thing... MAS NEER is sloping upwards at 3% p.a. as recent as a few months back, so yea that explains the strong SGD/MYR rate you see recently. Historically, it varies from flat to 1.5 or 2% p.a. Now that NEER is trading near the upper band, any hint of a reduction in slope rate may cause SGD to depreciate slightly in the near term.
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Each person 10x 500.
Put in 3334 each year to get 500.
U have to calculate the ROI based on each 3334 deposited cos it contributes the 500.
1.03^43=3.56, in 1980 MYR=SGD.

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