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post Mar 1 2025, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Mar 1 2025, 12:20 PM)
technically.... conventional could've been higher than 6.3%?  hmm.gif

but at least this year can feel both sides are happy unlike last year...
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This proof that one can never please everyone. Even if they hit 7%, some will ask for more 😆😆😆
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post Mar 2 2025, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Mar 2 2025, 09:41 AM)

In my own now silly assumption I was planning to park a some money for my kids tertiary education and for opportune market investment times, but after putting some to chase the 1m, now they say hotel California. These moneys are for all intents and purposes NOT a for 55 year old reaping.


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If I remember correctly this >RM1M increasing threshold to RM1.3M is not applicable for those above 55 or acct 55/emas. So what the concern of not fitting the purpose for a 55 year old reaping? 🧐
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post Mar 3 2025, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Mar 3 2025, 11:08 AM)
If you have Kawan in EPF, you can ask them how many months of bonus they get every year.

Unker was very surprised,  found that out years ago
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What number you heard? Google/deepseek news show about 2x months in 2023.
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post Mar 3 2025, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Mar 3 2025, 02:42 PM)
double that  tongue.gif
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post Mar 4 2025, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Mar 3 2025, 02:03 PM)
In Klang Valley, I applied RM4250 for 2 pax per mth, with 50-50 makan outside and home cooked meals.
Groceries + toileteries approx 1K per mth. Petrol RM400 + parking + occasional tolls p/mth (assuming driving P1/P2). Meds 250 per mth, house utilities + internet RM350 p/mth.
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Cukup ke?

What about Medical insurance, car HP n auto insurance, ... hmm.gif

My number about the same as yours but I add in all the fix expenses as mentioned ... smile.gif
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post Mar 4 2025, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2025, 07:48 AM)
EPF can sustain for another 20 years to come...

Because of monthly contribution coming in...

Now even got foreign workers contribution... Which I think would also increase over period of time.. won't be maintained 2% forever one....

The 5bil if withdraw all also can give positive impact on the weak Malaysia economy.... Have spilling effects overall
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How come now ended up with epf sustainability? Some developments on their long term situation?


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post Mar 4 2025, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Mar 4 2025, 11:09 AM)
Will this retirement age impact on our EPF contribution? Like example if 55, meaning employers will contribute until 55 years old? Or there is no impact at all, just a guideline to stop working
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They can raise retirement age to 65 for all I care as long as one still can access full acct 55 at 55 bruce.gif .... 2 different acts that govern these 2 numbers...

This post has been edited by gamenoob: Mar 4 2025, 01:13 PM
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post Mar 5 2025, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Mar 4 2025, 09:55 PM)
It’s law to help employers retire old people who are less productive. If they can perform, nothing is stopping employers to hire on contract. Even if retirement age is set at 60, employees can choose to retire themselves earlier. Epf contribution age and withdraw age nothing to do with retirement age.
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And for employment above 60, enployer statutory contribution is lowered to 4% only and employee can chose down to 0% ie opt out of self contribution
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post Mar 11 2025, 01:08 PM

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Becareful of what you wish for.... if EPF can reach the state where confidence is low enough, I'm pretty sure the rest of the country would not be in any better shape.

For those above 55/60, with guaranteed 2.5% rate that pretty much above inflation rate, untouchable by creditors, acting like pseudo ATM, can the general masses do better given age and risk etc?

There are exception of course for some to invest and manage on tbeir own,
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post Mar 15 2025, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 15 2025, 02:05 PM)
Yesh..but once they are bigger than the country, they will have no choice.

Also its not just global equities, epf can also look at investing in commodities, cryptos..things they never touch before. Eg epf doesnt invest in gold, which is silly I think.
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Norway GPFG while doing well, they also have negative return,..2022 they made -14%... they pretty much annualised around 7-8% but the government consider 3% as real return which the government withdraw as contribution to national pension scheme. No guaranteed return either. The gov is prudent by withdrawing only 3% which is less than half their average annual return.

Norway sovereign funds GPFG dont pay directly to retiree... and pay out is taxable too to retiree which can be as high as 25% for those with max retirement pension.

At any rate, different funds have their own boundary of what investment options allowed etc.

Courtesy of chatgpt...
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post Mar 15 2025, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 15 2025, 04:18 PM)
Norway's is a actual sovereign fund, funded by gov of Norway, It contains the word Pension, but it is funded by their government (by their petro chem industry, but this point is mute).
Khazanah comes to mind for us here in Malaysia. or Temasek in SG.

Somehow, since this is posted in EPF thread, I just feel we all should be aware that KWSP/EPF Malaysia is not a sovereign wealth fund,
but a actual fund, funded (pardon my pun) by actual EPF members who basically consists of workers in Malaysia pretty much.
It is a defined contribution fund, and EPF is mandated to manage this fund for the purposes of EPF member's respective retirements.

So tell me... should EPF focus on achieving the best return for its members or do something else?
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Your question is very valid .. the sad part is that we will never be able to get the valid answer for it...

The cookie jar is just too tempting for naughty fingers, hands, arm, etc...
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post Mar 20 2025, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Mar 18 2025, 06:34 PM)
Some even hope the 100k limit to be lifted
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Yes please …. Increase to 200k or higher 😅
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post Apr 2 2025, 02:38 PM

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All these atm/debit card for epf is nonsense as they are not a bank ... with auto debit it's good enough as it is... it will create more chaos

Albeit I have not try it yet or even activated the transfer bank.... 😀

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post Apr 19 2025, 12:04 PM

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Looking at the market, wondering if EPF dividend will drop to below 5% for 2025…or worst 4%
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post Apr 19 2025, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 19 2025, 12:08 PM)
seems like at current juncture, it all depends on King Trump having a phone call to/with/from Emperor Xi.
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Lowest was 2% when they started and then jump to 4% and never drop to 4% ever since…

4.25 in 2002
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post Apr 19 2025, 02:38 PM

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With Trump having his little fantasy and spinning, things look a stretch with now ending April. That’s 1/3 of the year gone.

Downward pressure indeed
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post Apr 20 2025, 10:12 AM

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A question for the expert on dividends and calculation, there was a topic about best withdrawal approach for retiree so to maximise dividends.

Best is weekly or monthly withdrawal? Any specific cut off day to observe?

Some one mentioned that it should not be set for regular interval but rather as and when needed ... because on fixed schedule epf will set aside the funds and this fund get no dividends consideration...

Wanted to check the facts and details before heading to epf office.

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post May 6 2025, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 6 2025, 12:24 PM)
If I am not mistaken, previously some forumers mentioned.
Dividend will be calculated till the date the money was transacted out.
So end of the month will be better, but, that may missed some days of I lindung coverage....if strike, ...many untung than that few extra days of kwsp dividend
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I think someone mentioned that don't set up fix recurrent withdrawal but rather as and when needed because epf will transfer such funds into another basket that will missed out dividend calculation....I may recall incorrectly...stand corrected
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post May 6 2025, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 6 2025, 02:09 PM)
My case, ...
I had been doing the monthly withdrawal for a few years already.
Every year after the announced dividend rate, I will get another "extra" amount (more than the fixed monthly amount) transferred to my bank account from kwsp.
I don't know what is that amount for,
Thus I believes that monthly maybe the "compensation/recalculated" of your stated
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Interesting..... did you reconcile that it's actually pro rated dividend for the monthly funds you set aside? Any check with epf cust service?
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post May 17 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ May 15 2025, 04:30 PM)
for me i am pushing forward all in
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As I'm above 55, epf is being treated as high interest saving acct albeit cap at 100k annually. I just continue to shift some fluid funds into EPF as long as it's above 4%.

Your post on being epf savvy is good thoughts for many.

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