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plumberly
post Mar 3 2018, 10:49 AM

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First my apology. I know this is off topic. But related to EPF.

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What are nominee and trustee mentioned there?

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How much to pay to ARaya for nominating them? Once off or yearly fee?

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post Mar 4 2018, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 3 2018, 08:39 PM)
Employees Provident Fund (EPF) members who nominate Amanah Raya Bhd as the nominee/ administrator or trustee of their EPF savings will be charged a two percent flat rate as an estate administration fee.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017...aya-as-nominee/
If a member chooses to nominate ARB as nominee, then ARB will act as an administrator for all member’s savings.
A member can also appoint ARB as Trustee for a minor nominee who is below 18 years old.
Estate administration fee will be charged a 2% flat rate of the total amount of member’s savings upon the members’ demise.


meaning, u nominate ARB to manage your estate/harta, and they will kaotim the rest.

if you're under 18yo, ARB will be your trustee or penjaga for the estate/harta. i think la, not sure what happen after you reach 18yo.
this is why, ALWAYS PUT NONIMATIONS to your EPF, and update it periodically if there's a need. if no nomination, you need a will or nominate ARB or lawyer to get the money out.

with epf nomination, your family can kaotim directly with epf by submitting forms. straightforward affair.
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Thanks.

I already have the EPF nominations in place.

I still need to get my will done. Thus when I saw the FREE will, I am interested. Ha.

Any other fee beside the 2%? Will ask ARaya.

2% is quite a lot, 250k = 5k, 500k = 10k, 750k = 15k, 1 million = 20k, 5 million = 100k etc.

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post Jul 2 2018, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(manoftilelowyat @ Jul 2 2018, 03:27 PM)
Hi Guys,    Need your advise on the EPF dividend.

Lets say in my account, i have a balance of RM700K as on 1 Jan 2017.
Sometime in 2017, I withdraw  50K, ending up with the year end 2017 balance of 650K.
On 10 Feb 2018, EPF  declared 6.9% of dividend for the year of 2017.
How will the dividend be worked out? How much dividend  will I get for the following situations:--
(1)IF  I withdraw 50K on 2 Jan 2017, with  the 2017 year  end balance of 650K?
(2)IF I withdraw 50 K on 30 Dec 2017, with the 2017 year end balance of 650K?

Thank you for the anticipated help.
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The interest is calculated on daily basis.

Get a spreadsheet and try it.

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post Dec 20 2018, 12:33 PM

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My annual visit to guesstimate the EPF % ....

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Looks very good with the highest Q1-3 figures in 2018!

Using past few years Q4 averages and std deviation, my guesstimates:

zero Q4 6.6%
average Q4 6.98%
average Q4 +1 sd dev 7.12%

Bear in mind this is based on just extrapolating the % based on the total yearly revenues. This is not 100% correct as the yearly principles are different and on the increase. Plus they may want to keep some bullets for the coming recession.

Guess I will be happy if its 6.8% or higher.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 20 2018, 01:25 PM)
interesting findings
so can safely assume 6% is in hand now... just we needed to know if Q4 can perform or not  cool2.gif
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2017 revenue was very good, should be > 7% as per my guesstimate. But got only 6.9%. I think they took some for keeping in view of the sudden bad news on global market the week before the announcement. Remember the EPF big boss said the rate should be between x and y but the bumi EPF one came out lower than that? My gut feel was a last minute change. Surely the big boss would not be that careless to announce the wrong very important numbers, especially for the bumi EPF.

For the same taken, they may want to safe keep some for later use.

Just hope what they took for safekeeping last year will appear in 2018 revenue.


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post Dec 20 2018, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(scyther @ Dec 20 2018, 12:44 PM)
Sorry a noob question to ask.

From your above chart, is it means that total earning is sum of all Q1 till Q4 ?
means
if Q1 = 1%
Q2 = 2%

is the means total earning is 3% if calculate till Q2 ?
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Dont quite understand your question.

Simply put, the money they earn (or loss) for the 365 days in a year will be used in determining the %.
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post Dec 22 2018, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Ash_bellerin @ Dec 20 2018, 03:00 PM)
When is the next recession expected to hit? Does EPF interest rate typically drops during recession?
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Your guess on the next recession is as good as anyone's. icon_rolleyes.gif

But ...

It is what your look ahead and backup/mitigation plan that matter to you. rclxm9.gif

My gut feel is it will be in 2019, hopefully after EPF 2018 dividend has been announced. Ha. rclxms.gif

I can take normal global stock daily fluctuations but the fluctuations now are worrying. Something is just not right now, too many things waiting for a trigger to get the domino going. devil.gif

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post Jan 2 2019, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 2 2019, 05:28 PM)
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/441637

increased in contribution outnumbering the increase of withdrawal so net net still inflow more than outflow.
performance need to be better than last year by approx 4% just to match last year declaration.
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Interesting.

From my old data up to 2016,

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Mine is fund size annual increases, taken from annual reports.

So if we can compare these apples, then 2018 is still pretty good.

This post has been edited by plumberly: Jan 3 2019, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(StarPrimo @ Jan 5 2019, 02:13 PM)
Wow! Never knew this info before.
Thanks!
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Suggest the nice approach first. Sort this out first with your company before you raise it with EPF. I think there is a heavy fine for those not paying employee EPF contributions.

If they got a heavy fine, then susah for you nanti. Ha.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 31 2019, 03:57 PM)
more like Dividend is coming real soon...
after CNY whistling.gif
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If before CNY, then most likely good news, at least not as bad as below 6% (though I expected it to be very good as Q1-3 have done very well).

Hope for the good news for a cheerful & happier CNY dinner on Mon evening! Ha.
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post Feb 14 2019, 10:09 AM

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Your guess is as good as any one else's on what we will see after the m10. Ha.
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post Feb 16 2019, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 16 2019, 01:18 PM)
Not bad rclxms.gif
Was thinking around the range of 5.5% to 5.8% only (normal non shariah) 😎
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I think EPF is playing mind game with us, hinting that it would very BAD looking at KLCI etc with media on their line hook, preparing us for a lower % than 6.9%

Now it is lower than 6.9% and some still think it is OK, a relief from the very bad %.

Like I said before Q1+2+3 revenues were very good, higher than 2017 year TOTAL. Unless Q4 was negative (which I doubt), this 6.15 should be above 6.9%

Like to have a look at the 2018 annual report.


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QUOTE(luvjiajia @ Feb 16 2019, 02:35 PM)
Strange..the dividend i received is only 5.2% by calculation. Anyone facing the same?
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Checked mine, dividend off a by a few k.

Also capital part is also off by a few k (I made some withdrawals and deposits in 2018).

Any one else with this problem?


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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 17 2019, 02:20 PM)
try google "EPF dividend calculation", and then create your own excel.

its awfully accurate, and only miss by 2 cent

Dividend is not calculated  from the deposit date, its calculated from "end of the month".
example: interest from RM1000 deposit on 15 may is same with interest from deposit on 25may.
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Thanks.

I have used my Excel for many years now. All spot on in the past until now.

I dont think it is monthly rest but daily rest.

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post Sep 11 2019, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Aghi @ Sep 11 2019, 12:20 AM)
Thanks.

What a contrast with a recent article on 0.56% 1H 2019 revenue drop (about RM70 million), warning about lower 2019 EPF dividend.

If RM70 million difference can make such a big difference in the final dividend, then I better get out of EPF. Ha.



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post Jan 13 2020, 08:00 PM

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My estimate after a long long calculation, 5.05%.

Why so low? Just look at the flagship ASB latest 5% + 0.5%. No one can do better than this BIG brother mah.

Hope I am wrong.
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QUOTE(return78 @ Jan 14 2020, 10:58 AM)
PNB is much smaller than EPF in term of fund size. 301bil (pnb as of May 2019) vs 859bil (epf as of Q1 2019)
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Not saying you are wrong, sometimes getting too big can itself be a problem, more difficult to perform at its best.

From history ...

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I have not updated my spreadsheet for the past few years. Too lazy to do it now. So just used the data I have.

Historical trend is no guarantee but it is a good indicator, predictor.

But hope I am wrong this time.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(return78 @ Jan 14 2020, 10:38 PM)

While EPF is having more realistic return all these years and almost half of their investment in fixed income asset along with profit reserved, while oversea investment was the main driver for the income (diversified to other better performed market unlike Malaysia equity market). However, for last 3 consecutive quarters, their profit had dip around 12% for y2y comparison.
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If my memory is still ok, revenue for 2018 was the highest in EPF history (Q1-3 revenues were higher than 2017 year total!). One expected the dividend to reflect that. But it did not. Of course, it is not comparing apple with apple as the funds it collected were higher than previous years. Still think the dividend rate for 2018 should be at least 1% higher.

My 2 cents, when things are good, the dividend may be slightly higher or even lower! Maybe to save some money for the coming bad years? But when things are bad, one gets the lower number with comments like "very tough economy, etc., etc. "

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jan 18 2020, 10:21 AM)
Me too. Started to do do self contribution and then this  bangwall.gif
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Dont worry. There are some rough stages in every investment journey. EPF may not be the best but it will be one of the better ones. So, SWAN. biggrin.gif yawn.gif
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 20 2020, 01:25 PM)
Surprised but happy to see the higher number than my estimation.

Think the figure will be around there, my belief is they tend to drop some hints to the media before the actual release to prepare the public.

So keep my fingers and toes crossed !





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