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batman1172
post Nov 23 2023, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 23 2023, 05:14 PM)
Now you know why MYR is weakening.... so that EPF can earn more for their USD holdings
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Means holding in EPF also have 30% exposure to non ringgit? Sorry to ask my investing day started after I retired 😂
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post Nov 30 2023, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Nov 30 2023, 02:18 PM)
Wow! That is a lot of difference!
Cannot get EPF dividend at 6.82%

Edit: I just realised this is for a flat like those small loans.
What about for amortised repayment like that of housing loan?
Is the contracted rate the effective rate?
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compare what against what? I'm not following...
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post Dec 2 2023, 12:22 PM

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Should be better than old government. Don’t count Covid time should be 6% or more.
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post Dec 5 2023, 01:45 PM

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So the 240k is worked backwards from civil servants pension. They paid so low only?

“EPF uses the minimum pension for civil servants, which is RM1,000 per month, as a benchmark in setting the basic savings level. The current basic savings of RM240,000 is based on an estimated lifespan of 20 years after retirement (or 75 years).

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...-by-54pc/105873

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post Dec 7 2023, 02:23 PM

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Can make money? Loan 50k at 4.5% fixed put in EPF then let CIMB deduct monthly payment from EPF?

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...for-epf-members

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post Dec 12 2023, 08:43 PM

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Can someone summarise and tell me how many percent dividend?

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/692677
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post Dec 14 2023, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(kechung @ Dec 14 2023, 11:07 AM)
I wish it come close to 5.90%
It won't be less than 5.50%
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ok. lar. normally EPF rate is 2% + inflation. since inflation is 2.5-3% so its about 5% consider ok.
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post Dec 21 2023, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 20 2023, 09:53 PM)
Uhmm...

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good job. shows the power of time.
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post Dec 24 2023, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(leanman @ Dec 23 2023, 02:43 PM)
Just worry that one might need to access the lump sum at one go but unable to. It’s not about wanting it a lump sum or not, just circumstances making you in need of it. That’s my concern cause they are many out there, this is their only life savings and nothing more.
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Yes it’s correct but also depend on age. Epf is a retirement fund when one is young but becomes a bond like tool when we get older and richer. There are many asset classes like properties, etf, stocks, bonds, gold available for one with a lot of youth. Nowadays one has crypto but idk what that is and lost 1k in tfx. So… it’s all risk.
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post Dec 26 2023, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Dec 26 2023, 08:59 AM)
Tak faham macam mana boleh contribute 100k per year
I think the increments of self contribution rate to 100k only benefited t20
Those m40 and B40 totally see no benefits of this initiative by Gov

Any reason why gov previously want to increase it to 100k? Any benefits to gov?
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The bigger EPF is, the better they are. I believe size give advantage negotiation premiums and discounts. Same reason when we have 100k to invest, we’re limited but once we hit the millions mark, we get free lunch from diversification and we can talk balancing portfolio, risk management, timeframe. Etc.
EPF could chase away t20 investors, limit 1m or tier dividends, but they won’t knowing people with millions have alternatives and with a little risk, do even better than EPF.
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post Dec 27 2023, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 26 2023, 06:08 PM)
Too big.

But it depends how you define good. If approx 5%-6% annual returns in MYR is considered good, then yeah its ok. But kwsp wont be able to achieve much higher than that.

I personally think kwsp Is pretty decent for my financial needs, myself being close to retirement. But I dont contribute more except to max tax relief. Prefer to diversify away.
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That's right. depends on risk of individual which comes with age too. Secured corporate bonds pays average 5.5% too so why not EPF if one risk profile is low? I believe when one is younger, EPF is a retirement vehicle and should not be used as investment. Many other instruments can grow 7-10% with risk but with age, one can have time in market unlike old people like me can only time the market. If you have money, and you can see a 30 year runway in your EPF inflation adjusted, then you're better off to diversify to something that can pay >6%.
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post Dec 27 2023, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Dec 27 2023, 02:56 PM)


My friend was contacted by lhdn too and his college also kena fined. all these made me never try to challenge the income tax law / rule.
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Penalty higher than the tax if they paid up front. Not worth it. Tax evasion is not tax planning. In fact got small penalties even if LHDN got it wrong, just pay it because you don’t want your file to be opened for audit.
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post Dec 31 2023, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 30 2023, 02:30 PM)
Bursa is less than 20% of Kwsp portfolio.

And Kwsp dividends dont come from index price, but from any realised gains and stock dividends kwsp received.
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Does this mean bursa 1454 today, they can’t sell for profit? Or have to wait next year when bursa hit 1600 only can sell and give 6% dividend?
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post Jan 2 2024, 10:54 AM

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Cannot be 6.5 even can do it. Need to declare 6 and keep 0.5 for 2024.
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post Jan 2 2024, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Jan 2 2024, 10:58 AM)
Time to utilised ur 100K limit for self contribution for 2024!!!!
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Thx for reminding. Wait for favourable SGD MYR then I convert.
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post Jan 2 2024, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Dec 31 2023, 10:01 AM)
Throughout the year, they are trading. Should be selling and buying. Those are realised gains as mentioned by Cubalagi. Just looking at the index point end of each year does not tell much, except the general market trend. In between got ups and downs. Only passive investor will hold for years without selling. If like that EPF won't make any money. When a stock hits all time high, it's time to take profit. When it goes down, then you pick back up the stocks after price correction. But in Bursa, price movement and liquidity is too slow and little. Probably earns more from dividend than stocks trading in Bursa. Which is why it's critical EPF must invest more in US stock market...not using EPF money to bail out local useless companies....
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I didn’t realise EPF is active trader. I dunno anything much about stock market. I just buy and hold SP500 and pray go up and it did and doing a lot better than EPF and CPF. Why can’t EPF do the same? No need do anything pay vanguard or Blackrock small fee only.
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post Jan 2 2024, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 2 2024, 04:32 PM)
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All not halal as they pay US tax which fund weapons. So do we care? Or should sell all Sp500 and dump in EPF shariah fund
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post Jan 2 2024, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 2 2024, 05:43 PM)
May not be that relevant here, but would like to ask if anyone have tried to register PADU and verified the details?

May I enquire if PADU asked about EPF and banking and equity trading details?
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if EPF > 240k confirm sure you t20.
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post Jan 5 2024, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 5 2024, 08:59 AM)
How do you get this conclusion?
I did a study 30 years ago using the Lipper publications on UTs. Only a handful out of a few hundred UTs beat EPF over the long term. Essentially one still has to price in the management fees as well. Those fees are like 1.5 to 2% of AUM per year whether they perform or not.
So a handful beats. How do you choose? No way.  TRUST is a misused word!  laugh.gif
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The returns from UT include or exclude management fees?

Pick the UT that is passively managed? I’m not sure the Malaysian market have or not that’s why ended up with EPF
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post Jan 5 2024, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 5 2024, 10:47 AM)
If that's the case...

They sure really need to work hard... Because their income bonus is based on fund performance....

From the funds performance... Seems like they don't really care..

Someone post... 1.5% return over 8 years period???
Like seriously.... Put in FD also get more 😁
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Can’t help it. I have friends my age still don’t trust EPF. The logic is EPF money is not our money and belongs to government

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