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post Oct 8 2022, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(TheEquatorian @ Oct 8 2022, 08:33 AM)
With this new self contribution allowance, I will keep a very small amount only in FD - rest into EPF. Country risk is still lower than banks in the country risk πŸ€“
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ya... also pidm protection only 250k...

epf is gov ponzi will always have fresh funds... laugh.gif

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post Oct 9 2022, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 9 2022, 03:06 PM)
Don't know if strong USD is one of the reasons...
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gold is not the safe heaven it once was...
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post Oct 9 2022, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 9 2022, 06:19 PM)
Oh really...

Tell me more details πŸ™
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long ago... currencies are gold-backed... then US decided to decouple it, and other nations followed... then starts printing USD with impunity... and starts weaponizing the USD...

currently evidence suggests not much correlation between gold and inflation... but nevertheless some ppl still run to it as hedge... but ppl run to USD more...

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post Oct 12 2022, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Oct 10 2022, 08:56 PM)
Year EPF FD
2021 6.10% 3.06%
2020 5.20% 3.46%
2019 5.45% 4.48%
2018 6.15% 4.64%
2017 6.90% 4.42%
2016 5.70% 4.53%
2015 6.40% 4.63%
2014 6.75% 4.55%
2013 6.35% 4.47%
2012 6.15% 4.48%

source

FD based on 1.5% + deposit rates:
https://tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/depos...ent%20in%202021.
EPF rates based on:
https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/personal-fi...dend-rates.html
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your fd rates are a bit high... see here from bnm... https://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/20124/7650790/2.1.xls

nevertheless doesn't change the conclusions... epf > fd... wink.gif

no need to update or do corrections... just a fyi...


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post Mar 8 2023, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 08:49 PM)
In EPF recent history...
Never once drop till 3%...

Except the initial stage of EPF incorporated time....

Lowest I remember is 4.25% 😁
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Mar 8 2023, 02:34 AM)

Nonsense again πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

EPF started since 1952 at 2.5% till 1959 whereby it is 100% based on govt bonds πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

It has only never fall below 4% since MERDEKA

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/o/kwsp-theme/css/as..._VALUE_BACK.pdf
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he is correct... started at 2.5% then up only.... "Never once drop till 3%..."... hehehe...

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post Mar 8 2023, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...uld-alarm-govt/

stupid article trying to blame T20... come see below i made some minor improvements...


"All those championing special withdrawals, who happen to be mostly from the T20 category, cannot ignore politicians and their minions playing empathy cards to gain power, has ignored the danger that lies ahead."

"It appears that the low savings figures for the Bumiputeras have been brought upon by themselves and not by any unfair policy or manipulation."

"It has been said before that a struggling Bumiputera community can destabilise the political landscape.". "Their urge to withdraw their EPF savings even if they don’t have to This has now apparently succesfully created a huge burden for the government."

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post Mar 8 2023, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 8 2023, 10:01 AM)
That guy nut case....
Don't bother whatever he said...

Counter argument with proper point also can spin one...

Already said initial stage / years... Meaning the few years earlier time... Sure it's before Merdeka....

After that... Didn't drop till 3%

Only around 4%+
That's lowest point

After that up & down....
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i like reading his posts... doh.gif

when he got banned... i missed it sometimes... doh.gif

i enjoy seeing how he spin spin spin... hahaha

occasionally he does post some good/proper stuff... doh.gif

i do think he'd be a fun guy to hang out... doh.gif sweat.gif

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post Mar 8 2023, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 8 2023, 09:55 AM)
Yes.
Consistent return is the main point...

Others do give better rate but like u said... Not consistent... Once year it's super profit rate, next year dropped like no tomorrow....
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wifu keeps most her salary in fd... keeps bank hopping for new fund rates... i advice... now her salary directly go epf bypass 60k topup limit... hahaha...

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post Mar 9 2023, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Mar 9 2023, 09:45 AM)
Unker understanding....

T20= touch $2mil
M40=marginal $4mil
B40=bigger $4mil

Some Unker's n Aunties in this forum, (if belanja kopi ice n tosai, ) I will name them out...hover ard M40 n B40.

Pls don't Pity them  people, when claim B40.
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i had to read this twice... biggrin.gif
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post Mar 9 2023, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 9 2023, 09:53 PM)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.malaymail....ncy-loans/58816
Use EPF $$$ as collateral for emergency loans 😁
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good idea.... but I think many will borrow cabut = early withdrawal... lol... but poor will be poorer again...

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 9 2023, 10:33 PM)
this will be a very interesting experiment.... how is PH gov going to get around the fact that funds in EPF is creditor proof?
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should be easy as system already exists... example using epf to buy mutual funds... not difficult to set up...

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post Mar 10 2023, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 10 2023, 04:03 AM)
Don't forget all those nice subsidies. To lower prices of goods.  laugh.gif
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mof briefing says food inflation 5.7%.... >epf div... ;(

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post Mar 10 2023, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Mar 10 2023, 07:06 AM)

Penang Rd roasted chestnut...dulu $10, sekarang minimum $12.
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wah... luxury food... laugh.gif

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post Mar 11 2023, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 11 2023, 10:52 AM)
Im not really interested to withdraw, already eligible anyway.

But if can finance some of my EPF at low rates, then its something very interesting.
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+1...

if low enough... will borrow max... dump into usd fd at 5%... rclxm9.gif

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post Mar 13 2023, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Mar 13 2023, 10:13 AM)
My parent did the same, withdraw all EPF out and put FD.....

If with my current knowledge and my parent retire today, i'll lokap their access to EPF and control their withdrawal....
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they may have made the right decision... based on their criteria at the time... wink.gif

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post Mar 13 2023, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 13 2023, 12:08 PM)
Previously my neighbour withdrew bcos he wanted to be able to touch and feel riches he had been longing to experience.
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somebody said... put cash under king size bed... lol...
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post Mar 13 2023, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Mar 13 2023, 02:06 PM)
dun think it is right decision because they are not risk taker...put in FD enough...

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what i meant is... there could be other considerations why withdraw all to just put in fd... i'm quite sure they know the dividend vs fd... example last time epf withdrawal very mahfan and take days if not weeks... also if "something" happens, easy to quietly withdraw from banks and not epf, etc etc... when we older we think of other priorities...

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post Mar 13 2023, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 13 2023, 01:48 PM)
why not buy 100kg of silver and put under the bed? haha.... harder for people to steal also.
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100kg can still carry ohh... hahaha... 100kg = RM 26.7mil wei... can just sleep on it liao...

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post Mar 14 2023, 08:37 PM

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nah... keep tered here... has been here donkey years... I know where to find...

once a year I come tcss... see ya 2024... wink.gif

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post Mar 15 2023, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 15 2023, 08:40 AM)
They could also put it in a more "camouflaged" manners.
Perhaps like this?
Kwsp dividend is 5.5% for ALL for the 1st 10k
Kwsp dividend is 5.35% for ALL for any thing above that 10k.

All happy. All get same same.?
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lol...

poor ppl got lots of bantuan rakyat/tongkat from gov and ngo already... then won't die from hunger... t20 paying more direct/indirect taxes already... also got many many new taxes for t20...

<10k doesn't mean b40 or poor ppl... lol... i think we all know this

should follow cpf... ppl >55 gets more %...

should follow 401k... early withdrawal pay penalty...

should follow bank... more savings more %

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post Mar 15 2023, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 15 2023, 09:56 AM)

They emphasised high number of contributors has very low saving ( ex; <10k)....that needed more push...
Rich can take care of their own
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OK... I change my mind... let's give <10k accounts div+5%

-ve impact to >10k accounts should still be quite low... maybe < rm10... wild guessing didn't do the maths...

i think this is acceptable... maybe no need to fight it... laugh.gif


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