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 Cycling V5 aka 8888 CNY HUAT ah!, General talks on Racing/road bikes

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post Apr 13 2013, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 13 2013, 01:54 AM)
meh, i figured going out of budget will make me not upgrade so soon would be fine. just save up slightly longer then.
just know your limits... else you will go overboard...

QUOTE(mrjgx @ Apr 13 2013, 02:07 AM)
I think most of them are rarely used..perhaps less than 10 times  hmm.gif  open price 150 if people nego let see how..perhaps can go 130..see if got interested buyers. all bought in pedalspot maah..always rm220 bought new.

Now only collect Rapha. It's like a virus. Bought one stuff, then want another stuff sweat.gif The thing about Rapha is, it is as what people always say about the brand. Freaking expensive! (the same goes to the other higher end stuffs, Assos, Capo, etc all are priced on par with each other). But they really good you know, good on the eyes and good on the feel. Just try their Classic Bibs and you don't feel like wearing other bibs you have and I'm not making this up.

http://www.knoxgardner.com/2010/rapha-a-product-review/
Hey that happened to me. Was hunting for a bike nearly 2 years ago when out of sudden I get a slightly upper range from the Merida. It's a good bike brand though an with the good after sales services, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the brand. RM3.6k is good enough, can get Race Lite model i think.
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stop racuning us with your rapha la.. it's not available here u know...dun spread the virus

racelite and ride series also can get... jus wat specs you intend to get?

QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 13 2013, 02:24 AM)
racelite compared to giant mia should be about the same eh?
dont really get specs other than the the gears. aha
need alot of help here. so sorry. giant compared to merinda same range? how do they fare?
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frame wise. a TCR is the same as the racelite... the defy would be leveled with the ride series from merida...

aluminum frames are usually more or less the same.. they are usually spec'ed differently to adjust the pricing with the exception of a couple where they spend more efforts into making them lighter and better and hence, the higher price...

how would a TCR compare to a racelite.. hard to tell as non of us own both of this bikes at the same time for a direct comparison.. most likely it will ride the same..only question is the price and the weight if you are a weight weenie (and that would not be your consideration since you have a tight budget)

QUOTE(underworld @ Apr 13 2013, 09:41 AM)
yesterday nite on my way back on kesas after the kota kemuning toll heading towards klang. I think there was an accident on the biker lane . saw afew fellow cyclist around there and an ambulance was seen coming. hope nothing serious
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must have hit the barriers or something.. have seen a couple of similar cases... mostly concussion and they are without a car to transport the injured rider, have to depend on ambulance...

QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Apr 13 2013, 09:57 AM)
3.6k eh? Okay, I know I shouldn't reveal this but oh well, in PJ, I got quoted at around similar price range for this. 2013 model, not 2012.

http://www.scott-sports.com/global/en/prod...er-20-cd20-l56/

But itchy backside me, I couldn't wait for my size so I settled for something more expensive.

You have to take certain essentials into account as well

Helmets for your head

Cycling shorts/bibs for your crotch

Jersey(I did not buy when I first got mine but the back pockets are really useful)

Saddle bags(For phones, tubes, tools)

Tools especially tyre lever(very important)

And not forgetting air pump as well as tubes(about 15 bucks only la)

There are certain things you might consider as well.

For a cheapo like me, I settled for the cheapest shoes and cheapest clipless pedals but then again, those are optional

Glasses, took me another few months to order one

Gloves, did not bother but after a few long rides, the cramp and stiffness on your arms may make you consider wanting to go for those

Bike front and back lights, LED especially, don't save on that if you are really riding at night, I spent 70 bucks only to realize that it was not bright enough, now am looking at some LEDs ones.

Bike computer, pretty important and being the cheapo me, I haven't bought any but I was lucky to have a friend to give me one of his wired cateyes with cadence, haven't installed though tongue.gif
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people's life is complicated enough and you want to make it more complicated than ever before... can't you just say prepare another RM500 just for accessories and other essentials??

QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Apr 13 2013, 10:57 AM)
I only buy tyre lever cause I have my other tools at home and my bike's relatively new so what the heck, I'm a cheapo.

In case of puncture, u need a tyre lever to remove the inner tube smile.gif
your quick release should do the same job...if you are not running some lightweight ones...

and a cheapo don't ride the scott that you are ridin...

QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 13 2013, 10:59 AM)
cadence? what does that mean?

ah do you carry extra tubes around?
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cadence? trust me... know about it later... you don't want to dig your head in too deep...that is an easily RM300 dollar question...

tubes are an essential... but you can do without assuming you have someone who does not get pissed if you call them to pick you up every time you flat a tire...

QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 13 2013, 11:00 AM)
how much is the scott? looks good, and a better than tiagra gearset.

havent seen scott in penang though. yawn.gif
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brands like Scott, BMC, Trek, Specialized is asking for a blowned up budget.. wat looks nice does not look nice on your bank account...
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QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 13 2013, 11:21 AM)
aha alright called up pink bike their cheapest is bmc 02 or something like that. 5k plus.
I'm seriously going to stick to my budget if not I'm going to be so broke. Lol
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BMC SR02? I think the SR01 is the one that is RM5k upwards...

QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 13 2013, 11:32 AM)
MERIDA Race Lite 903-com 2012
Speeds 20
Sizes [44]-47-50-52-54-56-[59] cm
Frame Race Comp-Single
Color Red/Black [white]
Fork BC CF lite-S Taper
Derailleur front Shimano Tiagra 10 D
Derailleur rear Shimano Tiagra 10-SS
Shifters Shimano Tiagra
Brake levers attached
Brakes Shimano Tiagra
Chainwheel Shimano Tiagra 10 50-34
Retail Price MYR 3,300/-
pretty damn good specs compared to the giant no?

for merinda race lite 903 they quote me 3100.

Compared to giant tcr2 compact? yawn.gif

not the price but the parts compared to giant.

3.6 compared to 3.1.
wont something be lacking?
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3.1k is around the same price in KL... the 903 is the same as your TCR2.. minor differences here and there but generally the same price bracket sort of bike...

did your 3.6k tcr2 price you acquired via phone or you visited and that is the lowest they gave?

QUOTE(SYAMiLLiON @ Apr 13 2013, 12:20 PM)
come to to klang valley and terus bawak balik penang  brows.gif
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in penang lar... save RM300 and lose it on petrol and toll...

QUOTE(danilo5753 @ Apr 13 2013, 01:31 PM)
Just changed my 2 tire to Vittoria Zaffiro 700x23c ~ RM60 each.
Any review on this tire?
Haven't test out yet, maybe tonight biggrin.gif
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it's made of rubber, it rolls like other tires, it punctures like other tires... just the price is cheaper...

nothing much to compare or complain...it's just a budget tire...

QUOTE(mrjgx @ Apr 13 2013, 01:59 PM)
Anyone tried Assos s5 Mille? Heard it is a damn good bib for long hours on the saddle..couldnt find any bad reviews about it though. Would love to give it a try but not sure whether it'll be superior than Rapha?
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racun boss.. racun... keep the racun to yourself...

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post Apr 13 2013, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 13 2013, 04:00 PM)
after visit they gave me that price but got 20% off for giant products and free stand bottle and bottle holder

3.1 for merida got a package rm150 extra for bottle holder ,bottle, pants,helmet, and gloves some other knickknacks
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the merida would be cheaper in this case.. 20% off whatever you could buy from giant might not be able to cover the RM500 difference...

most importantly, if you are comfortable with the shop operator since you are buying the bike and might go back to them for future repairs, upgrades and what's not...

RM150 extra for the extras would be cheap considering that you get a helmet... helmet would easily cost RM100... just take a look and see if you like those stuff before you pay the extra...
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post Apr 14 2013, 03:49 AM

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QUOTE(SYAMiLLiON @ Apr 13 2013, 10:59 PM)
hold your purchased...buy this instead...
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eh...itu maciam basikal oh

furthermore, it will already be 3rd hand by the time it reaches you if you can afford it...
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post Apr 14 2013, 03:57 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 14 2013, 12:30 AM)
err.... why did u ask for others' opinion in the first place then? hmm.gif

just buy whatever yanks ur chain man. belum cuba belum tahu.

when it comes to bibs, i don't think fit really is major criterion because bib shorts are elastic and follow our shape. the criteria you should look for are; location of seams, padding quality, shape and thickness, leg grips quality, shoulder straps quality
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wah...tat sounds like how a lady chooses their 'yee mah' pad man

so damn complicated... i thought as long as have something covering your naked ass and a piece of bread like pad tat sandwiches your sausage, eggs and taco is enough adi???

life is so difficult man, because of all this racuns
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post Apr 14 2013, 10:03 AM

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where do you stay?

http://www.baikbike.com/bicycle-shops/

try some shops near you...

pedalsport - Merida
velocipe works - Aster
JBS Bikes - Giant

a few examples that might have bikes that suits your budget... you have to survey a bit first to find out which one you like... it's your money at the end of the day and you would not want only 1 opinion from a single party right?
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post Apr 14 2013, 11:53 AM

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isn't that the same logic as 'yee mah' pads

must have wings, how big the wings are, how wide, good fluid absorption, good fluid containment, yada yada yada....

complex...
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most likely to be just co-incidence... but if you have the scientific spirit... you can mount up your 23mm or 25mm with higher pressure and ram the same pothole again to see if it pinch flats?

it is usual to run 25 with lower pressure as studies indicate that at maximum pressure, it is actually increasing the rolling resistance... if my memory serves me right...
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QUOTE(Oblivon @ Apr 14 2013, 04:56 PM)
haha, that would be extreme, wouldn't wanna risk puncture again. Wonder if most of you guys using stand pump with pressure gauge ? Will that help to get the ideal pressure ?
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i used to use the petrol station pumps... but then the pumps at the petrol stations is getting worst and worst...most are not able to get above 80-90psi and some is totally bonkers on getting the pressure right especially with our presta valves...
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QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 15 2013, 12:39 PM)
Oh great. One of the bike shops who knows me just offered me 3.2 for the giant and for a felt one. 3.4 apparently felt is an international brand and it's very good. All also pretty similar specs. Now I'm confused as he'll. UGH
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if you feel felt is the bike you want...then go for it... as long as you are spending the amount of money on a reputable bike and not some XDS or unknown bikes... then it is ok...

as i have said from earlier... you have to make a decision yourself...no point this or that, review this and that, opinion this and that... at the end of the day, it is a question of whether you trust our bullshit, bike shop's bull shit or the bull shit you see from the net...

as long as it is a good brand and a good bike at the same price range of something you are targeting at and most importantly, you like it... then don't think twice unless you want to go on searching for more alternatives...

QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 15 2013, 04:21 PM)
Went to a shop. Best shop ever. Asked me not to buy Merida or giant. GO for trek. Was so nice. 3.5 include cateye lights bike computer jersey pants bottle bottle holder stand. Trek 1.5 I think. I guess I'm getting this. Any reviews?
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i think you have the concept of the best shop ever wrong..."卖花赞花香" if you understand the chinese term...if a shop sells trek and tell you to go get something else because it is more worth the price and you pay less for the same thing... that is one hell of a good shop... unfortunately, there is none such shop...everyone wants your business and money...

if this is the alpha 1.5 you are referring to and priced the same as the giant tcr 2 and the racelite 903??? then, it is a question of why not??? unless you don't like the color or design..
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/road/...rt/1_series/1_5

it has to be something nice at the end of the day that you like...

QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 15 2013, 10:07 PM)
I know but no one here rode a trek 1.5 before?
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we can't ride all the bikes and even if we do... it makes no sense as it will only be a first impression which can be very different from a long term feel....first impression can always be very inaccurate because the bike feels different than yours and you sometime feel it is better but in actual fact not... it is just a different feeling...

furthermore, it is only a little bit of difference here and there... if you niggle on this bits, you can continue on analyzing 50 different bikes in the coming weeks...
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we are not pressurizing you to buy a bike or anything... there is no point to that as we don't earn anything from doing so...

even if you need reviews, a simple google of "[bike brand model] review" could give you more data than you can mine and crunch down...

but if you continually keep on widening your choices and not narrowing it down...it will be a difficult choice for you to make.... typically big brands like trek, felt, bms, specialize will produce same spec of bikes but price it slightly higher than the likes of giant and merida due to the brand name...

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Apr 16 2013, 12:44 AM)
bms what?
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i meant pms...pms is very expensive... it is the human equivalent of the mad cow disease

don't c0ck me.... you know what i am typing...it's just a typo..

QUOTE(Snowguy2068 @ Apr 16 2013, 02:24 AM)
yeap its that. most likely will be getting this.

sorry for the trouble guys.just very afraid to spend so much money.
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we are all afraid... we are just trying to get you in the right direction and the rest of the choice you have to make yourself because it is something that you have to live with...

as long as you are not spending a beemer's price buying a proton... that will be good...if you get what i mean...

QUOTE(broga_night @ Apr 16 2013, 06:46 AM)
plan to buy canyon roadbike but juz noticed that the shipment charged quite high...300+usd for shipment...isit really worth so much for the shipment?
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it is standard for courier to charge that much on bulky and heavy items and i suspect with that price.. it comes with a courier insurance or maybe it is an express shipment...even flying a cable over less than 0.5kg from hong kong via fedex express costs 500HKD...and you are talking about something way more heavier and bulkier than that...

the 300USD should not be your worry.... worry bout the customs instead... you never know if they will hit you even if the law says road bikes are not taxable...

and don't forget...you will not have anyone to turn to if your bike comes with any problems as there is no canyon dealer in malaysia...anything wrong with the frame and it is off you send it back to canyon and your own costs for warranty...

the flip side.. it will be a cool and rare bike here though...

what are you looking to buy?? ultimate CF?

QUOTE(yolk @ Apr 16 2013, 07:12 AM)
I've not ridden a trek 1.5 but i've ridden a trek 3.1 which I believe has the same geometry (H2) as the trek 1.5. I absolutely loved the ride and geometry. I know it's carbon and has different groupset and might have some affect to the overall ride quality/handling. You wouldn't go wrong with the 1.5 and if it's your first road bike I'm sure you'll enjoy riding it. Just make sure you get it properly fitted. Makes a world of difference  thumbup.gif
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it is H2
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/road/...rt/1_series/1_5

the H2 fit is considered almost like endurance geometries on most other bike manufacturer....would be good if you do not like to watch brokeback mountain or no country for old men...

importantly though is the costs of it... if it is more or less the same thing but priced slightly or higher than the likes of cheap options like giant or merida... then it is up to the buyer to decide if it is worth the money to buy a more famous brand like trek or specialize knowing it is equipped the same and maybe it is the same or only a couple of % better...

which is why, it is still buyers decision to make at the end of the day and since snowguy is on a cash strapped position...there is more ??? on why would his decision be based on the trek unless it is offered to him at the same price as the cheaper options...
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QUOTE(broga_night @ Apr 16 2013, 12:07 PM)
plan to buy ultimate cf slx9.0sl...bro do u hav any opinion for racing bike around 10k plus?
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any opinion? boy, are you asking for trouble...

ultimate cf is a good bike...it was once considered the stiffest bike in the peloton...

QUOTE(minizian @ Apr 16 2013, 12:14 PM)
Sram 22 is annouced

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/sram-u...echanical-group

Lol why they release new stuff like shimano. As in they only just release Sram 2012 last year. Feel sorry for folks who got sram red 2012
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thing change... what about the initial Di2 users when the new 9000 series Di2 was launched... wasn't that a bigger kick in the nuts...

this is bound to happen and sram users expect it to happen...in fact if you look at it in another way... sram delay this as long as they could and they are doing this most likely in prep for electronic shifting...

so, looking in a years time, we can expect 11-speed across all sram groups hopefully...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 16 2013, 12:16 PM)
F it. i'm going fixie.
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singlespeed lar at least..

QUOTE(hianboy @ Apr 16 2013, 12:48 PM)
or this...

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showbike...

QUOTE(tcgien @ Apr 16 2013, 12:56 PM)
i saw some cyclist using the colour tape.
and i found it in some shop.
anyone using this? doing survey

I discover this thing call EPOS Tape, a type of Kinesiology Tape.
I found it very useful for sports activities like badminton, futsal, gym.
Saw it in some sports shop in KL area

Anyone have tried them? rclxms.gif

https://www.facebook.com/TCPacificDistribution/https://www.facebook.com/TCPacificDistribution/

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it is called kinesio tape... originated by kenzo kase and depending on some people it works and some it doesn't...

the problem is, this tapes are not like yoko yoko or those muscle pain tapes where you buy and stick... they offer a course on it where you have to learn the human anatomy and how muscles work to apply the tape... it is not an easy thing to get it to work which is why the big misconception on it...using the tape involves a lot of pulling, stretching, splitting the tape over a hurt muscle..basically i understand it is about helping your system drain the fluids into the nearby lymph nodes to aid muscle recovery....

pro tour riders have been using it many many years back...
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it was how i learned about it and through one of le dopers book...i only found out about it a couple of years ago with a company bringing in the original kinesio tape...now there is a lot more out there..KT Tape, SpiderTech tape and there is roll form and pre-cut ones to make it easier for people who has no knowledge about it...

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Apr 16 2013, 01:09 PM)
Those tapes are suppose to help one recover or something, saw it on television or on the internet before.

Some say it helps.........Placebo tongue.gif

I don't see any handsome or pretty athletes using it, I don't care.
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you never looked hard enough...it has been there all those years... only in recent years they are more popular with pink, blue colored ones... it is called color therapy that psychologically help aid speed recovery...

some one at least used it...maybe not pretty or hansem...

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Apr 16 2013, 01:53 PM)
This is what I am doing all this while, a little lazy with the process of removing the wheel and maneuvering it into it's only position. I m driving a mid-size car.
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i drive a compact dude... i don't complain... for the price i avoid paying...
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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Apr 16 2013, 03:04 PM)
Step 1, remove front wheel,
2, lower one seats and prop up another to create more space in the middle of the car.
3, next, the back breaking exercise to insert the rear portion of the bike in first, through the front passenger seat, resting the rear wheel on the car's rear seat.
So that the bike rest rest upside down diagonally across my car.
4, Lastly,Prop back the seats.

So tedious and time wasting, when I am short of time.

Friends, Any better ways to do it?
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take off front wheel... shove the bike in between the back and front seat...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Apr 16 2013, 03:17 PM)
i bet u can shrink bulma's bike into a capsule

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you have to beat super saiyan II vegeta first to get to bulma

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Apr 16 2013, 03:44 PM)
Looks good on paper. What if the sucker don't sucks as well as it should after the contact surface detoriates over time, then confirm it is a "me-sucker". One year warranty ta boleh Pakai, not if my bike fly through the windscreen of other people's car and homicide, if it turns out the worst.

Anyone has experience with this Seasucker?
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it's called a sucker... wat do you expect rite? only a sucker buys a product named "sucker"...
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Apr 16 2013, 03:46 PM)
U know

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unites all

Shall we cycle 100km for that and our resident miao can show us how?
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wrong...

this unites us all
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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Apr 16 2013, 04:03 PM)
will try out the new positions, but don't like the crank sinking into the seats.
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masuk the bike upside down... rear wheel in first from driver side...this will face the crank on the front seat and have the handlebar rest on the rear seat if it can tilt that far...your rear seats will remain clean this way...

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i suggest go in with the bike upside down because the top part of the bike is usually cleaner than the bottom part... so your seats would stay safer although not 100% safe...
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QUOTE(minizian @ Apr 16 2013, 12:14 PM)
Sram 22 is annouced

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/sram-u...echanical-group

Lol why they release new stuff like shimano. As in they only just release Sram 2012 last year. Feel sorry for folks who got sram red 2012
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Why so soon?

SRAM debuted its 2012 Red just a year ago, and many riders are likely fuming right now, having just bought new kit only to have it replaced.

When asked why the brand went with such a quick turnaround, road product manager Charles Becker stated simply that the market wasn’t ready for 11-speed at the time, mostly because all the auxiliary products (freehubs, wheels, etc.) were not yet ready.

“The market at the time wasn’t ready for us to go 11,” Becker said. “Now it’s ready. Back then I didn’t know it was going to be 11 months. It’s not just a group; you need to have all the necessary auxiliary products. Now that Shimano and us are following the same path, we have the same requirements in spacing and alignment, it made sense for us to have an industry standard that has compatibility.

“One reason why we didn’t do a complete graphics redesign is because the 10-speed is still valid, and while many things change, the major technologies are the same. … I’ll continue to ride my 10-speed bike for a while. When you are at the bleeding edge of technology, you have to expect new things. We’re not going to prematurely make the product [10-speed] obsolete.”

To that end, SRAM made it clear that it would continue to offer 10-speed Red and Force for the foreseeable future.

How long will it be until we see 11-speed Rival and Apex? That’s still up for debate. It’s mostly a matter of keeping the groups at price-point, Becker said. If it means a $1000 bike has to become a $1500 bike, or that it has to sacrifice quality in other components to maintain its price point, that’s undesirable.

“We’re ready to unleash it,” Becker said. “But it’s a dialogue and an agreement with the rest of the industry. I would hate to see a bike get an extra gear and everything else on the bike has to become cheaper and worse to afford it. That would be a bad tradeoff.”

He has a point, and we won’t hold our breath for 11-speed Rival. Perhaps 2015?

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he want it 90 minutes ago.... impatience...

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