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 Cycling V5 aka 8888 CNY HUAT ah!, General talks on Racing/road bikes

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post Mar 18 2013, 01:10 AM

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both sagan n cancellara lost to......someone i didn't recognise...lol
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:42 PM

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Sorry if this speedplay question pops up again. Butthead, I believe you are using speedplay. From what I read, the Zero model allows 0-15 degree of microwdjustable float. What does it mean by rotational float?

Just need to clarify something, does it mean I will have 15 degree of float? My Keo Classic only 4.5 degree (grey), and that means my knees will appreciate such amount of float if I change to Speedplay. Won't it wobble when you are out of the saddle?

Dual side entry is a bonus. And damn they are pretty expensive! The titanium one is nearing 1k!
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post Mar 19 2013, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 19 2013, 09:37 AM)
I am not sure if this answers your question.

The float is actually the same as what is meant on your shimano and look pedals. The difference is where Shimano and Look has fixed float of either fixed (0 degree), 4.5 degree or 9 degree determined by the cleat used where the float on the speedplays are adjustable via setting screws on the cleat itself.

Speedplay pedals have no engagement mechanism on the pedal itself and all of it is instead being placed on the cleats itself.

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From the pic above, you can see 2 adjustment screws that does 2 things

1) Centering of your foot
2) Adjustment of float play

The float adjustment is reached by adjusting the top and bottom screw in and out. If screw in both screws until it has no gaps, then there will be no play. If you screw out both screws, there will be a small gap in between them and you will have some amount of play. That is why it is micro adjustment while other pedal systems rely on the fixed system of their cleats.

Not trying to sell speedplay here but, here is where the strong points of speedplay comes into play (no pun intended). Where whatever adjustments (fore/aft, lateral, centering) you want to make to shimano and look cleats. You have to loosen all 3 screws and by making either adjustment, you mess up the other 2 settings as the cleat actively moves around. On the speedplay cleats, you adjust fore/aft, lateral and centering all in 3 independently. Some views this as a pain but it all makes up for accurate adjustments that does not affect one another when changes are made.

Adjustment of the cleats starts with fore/aft positioning of the base plate
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On top of the base plate lies the cleat assembly itself which has only allows lateral (left/right) movements.
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By doing this, the combination of cleat + base plate adjusts the cleat perpendicular to the shoe. Adjustments to the foot centering is then later made via the adjustment screws to set the centering of your foot. The only problem i can see is that if you were to play around with your settings especially fore/aft...then it might become a slight pain as you have to take off the cleats to reach the base plate.

The pedal is also lower in stack height because the main assembly is on the shoe rather than the pedal itself. And the pedal recesses into the cleat assembly on the shoe making the shoe to pedal spindle interface stack lower compared to other pedal systems. Some argues this improves power transfer but i think it's bull.

In some ways it is a fussy pedal, where if you notice they utilize phillips screw heads for their mounting screws as opposed to allen key holes. This is a problem because as you walk with the shoe, the phillips screw head wears out and further down the road, it becomes close to impossible to make adjustments to the cleats as the screws are no longer usable. So, any settings you need to do you will have to set it early on and make peace with whatever you have done earlier (or you can get the cleat cover for walking around).  They have a reason for this phillips type screw as they claim that the phillips screw heads will not allow users to tighen the cleats down that much as over tightening the screws prevents the cleats from working properly. The screws also has tabs built into their thread so you know when to stop tightening when you feel a faint click.

Also it is not cheap to maintain where the cleat itself costs SGD75 per pair and every 5000 miles also you have to inject grease into the spindle via the grease port in order to maintain grease on the needle bearings used in the pedals which does not last as long as conventional ball bearings. Parts failure like spindle or the bow tie is replaceable, but not cheap and not sure if the shop might have it. There is also some misconceptions about power transfer on the small pedal body, but that i believe you can google to find out more as it is an interesting debate.

The offset is they do allow for many adjustments like a extended base plate kit for moving the cleats further back for a more mid-foot setting. Wedges (feet that is not parallel to the ground), stacks (different leg length), different spindle length among other things that makes speedplay a very adjustable pedal system.

The other thing i see lacking comparing it to shimano and look is that it lacks the tension adjustment feature which is none existent on speedplay. The only claim is that the stainless steel version has an alternate track version meant for track use which they claim has stiffer entry and release which i don't see how it works since the mechanism is on the cleats and the cleats look exactly the same as the replacement ones i bought.

I use the zero stainless steel pedal due to rider weight limitation of 185 pounds on any models above that, i won't choose any models further up anyways due to the price. You might be able to use the others like top of the range Nanogram if you prefer to. But it will cost way into the 4 figure amount (MYR) just to save weight. The cromo version is not made in US as far as i understand and only stainless steel versions and above are US made.

If plainly just to save weight, i don't think speedplay is the correct pedal to go for. It is definitely made for people who wants refined adjustments.

p/s: some reading
http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?cgid=3&...ction=cg.thumbs
installation of the cleat
http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseact...g.thumbs&cgid=1
some brainwashing BS
http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.choose
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Haha thanks for the informative reply. You are cycling wiki and you better be the Speedplay distributor in Malaysia quickly! Anyway I took the bait. If I understand correctly the cleat positioning is totally customisable independently of the fore/aft, lateral and centering. The 15 degree of float range seems a lot though and I like it loose as long as it is not going to jump of accidentally on a sudden hard pedalling.

Well I'm not going for the Nanogram whatever that's freaking expensive. However the titanium one looks to fit in the budget range but since I have forego the weightweenine route (never start the ww journey), I'd go with the normal zero and save me some costs. It's nowhere to be found in any lbs here so I have to resort to online shopping.

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Mar 19 2013, 02:11 PM)
so will your next bike be Giant?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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NO. But I know my die hard Giant friend would love to tongue.gif

Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong. This whole stiffness thingy for a bike is only matters when your body weight comes into play. Let say I weigh at 64kg, vin ann weigh at 100kg. We both riding the same bike, we push the same 1000w of power sprinting uphill, the bike will flex less for me rather than when it comes under the heavy force by a much heavier vin ann.

Meaning to say, a much heavier rider will need more stiffer frame to achieve the same level of bike performance (frame flexing) with a lighter rider who ride a less stiffer bike.

In conclusion, I would be happy to get an SL4 even if months ahead in the TDF that SL5 is spotted in the peloton with a much improve stiffness and shits because I know SL4 is good enough already.

Correct notttt?

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post Mar 22 2013, 06:57 PM

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Damn..open this thread and see trollings everywhere..hot chicks ftw!
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post Mar 22 2013, 07:12 PM

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Haha. Anyway any sightings of the new Garmin 810 in KL?
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post Mar 22 2013, 11:06 PM

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At the body got Edge font..800 no styling like that. Went to Garmin booth at Midvalley just now but heck the boss there also don't know about 810. Shame.

Spotted new sworks helmet on boonen at e3 right now. Looks too futuristic. WhEn will sl5 make its appearance? This coming TDF?

Saw an ads on BMC sales and clearance at pedalspot. drool.gif

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post Mar 23 2013, 12:22 AM

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Cancellara won! Boonen left in the dust.
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post Mar 24 2013, 09:40 AM

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A good read..and poisonous too!

http://veloveblog.posterous.com/specialize...l-4-full-review
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post Mar 24 2013, 06:37 PM

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Lol. Your stats will surpass mine in no time. I seldom ride lah...i still have no car in UAE so only ride on a trainer. Sad
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post Mar 24 2013, 11:48 PM

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How's that a crazy climb? Nobody here rides on weekdays ah?
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:58 AM

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Would it be wrong if i get an sl4 frame but with ultegra groupset only? If i opt for that route i can have a better cockpit and saddle.

Or one should go with the best groupset but the bars, stems and what not are all mediocre?

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post Mar 25 2013, 10:41 AM

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Guys enlighten me a bit lah...on the pricing and weight differences tongue.gif

I'm pretty much would like to keep the costs as minimum as possible..am not filthy rich, still balancing other needs in life.
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post Mar 25 2013, 10:51 AM

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On the Force and Red...am googling it now for the weight differences. Just wanna know msian pricing for both groupset. Quoted 5.6k for Red from GHS. No idea how much for Force.
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post Mar 25 2013, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Mar 25 2013, 10:53 AM)
oo price i dunno lah.

on the weight, this might help http://www.totalcycling.com/component-weights.html
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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 25 2013, 11:11 AM)
yeah la... but you also have to take into account the spacers you are stacking mar... the bike will come with some longer steerer which you might not cut to maximum low initially.. so the feel might differ on first impression...

that few mm would not be very catastrophic la... can buy a longer 10mm longer stem to counter it anyways...further more on a size 52.. it is only shorter by 6mm if i am not wrong... euros to SL3
wat is your other options then?

if you say your primary choice is SRAM due to it's functions and you skimp on getting an ultegra... then you are asking for it lar...else, if you aim dura ace and get ultegra, i don't see what is wrong with that choice...furthermore, you save some money by not sacrificing too much on performance...

is the ultegra a complete built or a custom bike? complete built you can't do much to change it right? or you end up paying through your nose to trade in and change groupset....

if it is a custom one, then the question is why not SRAM? for the price of ultegra group on the market, you can easily get SRAM Force with a bit of topping up which is a direct competitor to Dura Ace... the shifter alone would have shaved close to 80 grams while the Red almost a whole 100 grams... even the rival shaves 50 grams from the 7900 shifters...

if i were on a budget run, my preferred configuration would be a Rival group since i don't see the point in a full carbon lever and shift lever... i would then opt for a force crank in BB30 if my frame has it and a set of force calipers... also if i have the extra money to go further.. a SRAM Red 2012 yaw FD...

it's a question you have to ask yourself at the end of the day...

if your choice includes Di2, or DA9000 or 11-speed is your requirements... all this arguments is invalid as those stuff are on a different league by it's own...
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Ya lor. Why in the 1st place i changed to ultegra. It should be downgraded to Force from my initial itention of getting the Red.

3.5k for a complete Force right? If i take Butthead's suggestion, would it be below 3.5k?

Would prefer the FD with the yaw whatever that comes with Red. Also need a 32T at the rear and a compact crank.


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post Mar 26 2013, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Mar 25 2013, 10:53 AM)
oo price i dunno lah.

on the weight, this might help http://www.totalcycling.com/component-weights.html
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Wow. My 105 is around 2.6kg. A Red will shave nearly 1kg off my current groupset. blink.gif


QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 25 2013, 02:37 PM)
under RM3.5k... maybe, if you got some "special relationship" with the shop...i thought you already have a 32T PG1070? if you deduct that away, maybe it will be less than RM3.5k...

good luck finding a mid cage Force RD though... haven't seen one yet till this day... and same goes for the new Red mid-cage...in fact, haven't seen the rival one as well...

The new Red yaw FD is some RM400++....
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Haha. Wednesday is the D Day = decision day! wink.gif
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post Mar 26 2013, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 26 2013, 09:15 AM)
wats your estimated damage come Wednesday?
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Max damage is to be capped at 15k.

A frameset, a groupset, saddle and cockpits. Seatpost already included in the frame.

No wheels.
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post Mar 26 2013, 07:50 PM

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Haha thats why i call it a decision day. Either buy or no buy tongue.gif

Buying a high end frame such as the sworks is only useful in Msian route and terrain. Unjustifiable to have such bike only to ride in a 8km or 85km of flat and sandy cycle track. But let see how it goes tomorrow..
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post Mar 27 2013, 12:05 AM

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Sweet dreams
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post Mar 27 2013, 10:09 AM

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This is my tactic u know. Giving false info so nobody would punk'd me on wednesday. I may go to gh tomorrow or fri or sat or sun haha
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post Mar 27 2013, 10:44 AM

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Ok I'm going under the radar the whole day. *rikimaru stealth mode on*

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