QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 16 2013, 03:37 PM)
i would think it is better not to get the power meter now irregardless of what you do... if you get the frame first, then the power meter is OK...
the best scenario now since you can't wait for everything to come together is get the full Red group which i assume you will transfer to your eventual frame watever it is, but stick with a GXP crank first on the scultura... this will waste you some money by buying the GXP crank and then later the quarq crank...
but, reason is your scultura does not have BB30 and neither is there such a thing as converting to BB30... so, BB30 is out of the question now and you are still not sure of your future frame... best is to get a normal GXP crank which you can write off or sell it when you get your eventual frame and get the quarq crank then...at least this way you can maximize the crank and get the right one for your future frame which might have BB30 or OSBB which i believe you want to maximize on the axle stiffness rather than sticking to a weaker GXP Quarq crank that you will transfer over, right?
My logic is simple, it is better to sacrifice a cheaper GXP Red crank rather than a crank which you have to use converter adapters later on which you might not be 100% happy because you could not fully utilize your frame's benefits and neither do you have money to reinvest on the right quarq crank then...
with my limited knowledge on power products... i am not sure if the pedal based ones are good... and are they even out yet? i know for sure they have one thing that neither quarq, powertap or srm could do which is to measure left and right foot power outputs.. i believe quarq also has a similar feature called powerbalance which estimates your left and right foot power output, but it would not be as accurate...
as far as using power meter goes... i am not sure if it would really benefit us... i believe SRM is better than quarq but the problem being SRM is a pain where even the battery change has to go back to the vendor... KL would be creative mill in my friends case...so does calibration.. quarq allows the user to perform battery changes (CR2032) and also vector calibration themselves...not sure of how important is this criteria...
as for usage, power meter would give better readings on perceived efforts over the standard HRM as little things like sickness or health issues can mess up HR readings...while power meters give an additional dimension by letting you gauge your effort by logged power readings against your HR...in my view, unless you are really into competition and have very strict training regiments like riding intervals and riding full all out for extended duration to log your data... the data extracted might not make much sense to you and neither does it help improve your levels...the data captured can be very mind boggling to look at if you just ride normally and within your limits... you have to know how to record and utilize the data captured to make full use of it.. that or you have a trainer...
speaking from a friend's experience on owning a complete SRM.. i am not sure about using garmin and other Ant+ capable products... he also thought initially that the SRM would help him on competing in endurance events.. but later only did he find out that his readings is also quite inconsistent where some days he thought he was doing well but the logs shows that he was not comparing to other recorded logs and vice versa...
so, it is very complex and takes a lot of understanding, monitoring, analysis and comparing between logged rides if you really want to use it as a training tool... having the SRM power control also helps as i understand that there are some on the fly analysis which units like Garmin can't perform... Garmin only shows some recordings from the captured data and some additional functions if i am not wrong...it is one of the things i do not plan to have as i could not fathom it and neither do i want to complicate my life as i am just a leisure rider..
in terms of the software... i believe the SRM software is also providing much better functions that cater to serious riders.. which is why it is the choice of the pros...
p/s...also too far out of my budgets...
It takes a while to digest your points but I finally get it. To put it simpler here's the correct upgrade path for me. Get the normal red groupset first, then later on when I do the frame upgrade, get the one with the Quarq, sell off the old GXP crank. I agree with such recommendation, although I may lose a bit of money but that's the trade off as I am not going full blown for the complete ultimate bike.
At the moment I'm pretty much has narrowed down my power meter choices to Quarq. The power balance is to measure the effort for half of the pedal rotation, downstroke and upstroke, not for the left leg and right leg if I'm not wrong. Calibration can be done via iphone app too!
SRM is out of the question, too expensive and battery replacement is not DIY so I'll skip SRM any day. Polar look keo power meter is not ANT+, so I'll skip that either as I can't be using Garmin head unit (need to have polar's line up).
Powertap is a hub-based power meter, so changing wheelsets is not a practical way to use a hub based power meter.
Garmin vector is no where to be released, unknown dates and stuffs. The did acquire it from metrigear if i'm not mistaken, and there is from Stages (left crank arm power meter), which is pretty cheap.
All in all, Quarq seems the best option though and it is as reputable as SRM in the power meter industry. And I like to do a bit more of analyzing my training to a different level (I like to analyze things). It's time to compliment my HR training with a power meter.
At the moment I can't do much of the analysis post-ride be it outdoor or indoor as i'm using the sigma, but come to think of it, rather than getting a high end wheelsets, looks good on the bike but I still ride slow, I better off by getting a proper training tools for my engine. I'm going to spend my money on bike upgrades anyway, so better choose the path correctly. There are books to help in training and logging with powermeter, especially the one by Joe Friel (which I have and applied some of his HR training practices), but still I can't train with the suggested power trainings. Nearly getting dropped by an uncle who was once overweight seems to be the wake up call for me!
An investment on such tools I think will be very beneficial than a wheelset, i may not do racing but I do enjoy being fast on the road and see myself improves bit by bit. (whatever yank my chain as you may call it)