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 Cycling V5 aka 8888 CNY HUAT ah!, General talks on Racing/road bikes

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post Mar 13 2013, 12:01 PM

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Eh..sure not di2 only rm4.5k?? But it's a bit heavy right? The shifter at the bar features is really interesting. Well that is well below my budget. Should i opt for the latest technology or should i go the weight weenies route (Red).

DA9000 is too pricey i'll skip that option.
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post Mar 13 2013, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Mar 13 2013, 12:20 PM)
u need to try di2 first. it's not for everybody. just fiddle around with the shifter and then u can decide. btw, after i've tried it, di2's not for me.
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I've tried it, at the shop lah not in the real riding situation so i can't decide whether it's for me or not just by fiddling at the shop. But it sure feels like a computer mouse clicking and the gear change was super smooth (perhaps the humming sound it made makes it smooth).
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post Mar 13 2013, 08:41 PM

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Where i could find the mouse clicking groupset in KL? The cheapest, i want.
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post Mar 14 2013, 01:18 PM

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How about this jersey? Designed by Versace.

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post Mar 14 2013, 11:03 PM

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Eh the new mavic 40c, is it the first carbon clincher? Then what is the Mavic cosmic carbone slr? Not carbon clincher?

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post Mar 15 2013, 01:34 PM

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could be an outdated but it's well worth a look at Cav reaction..what say you?


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post Mar 15 2013, 01:40 PM

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On the other hand, Rapha gave me a free 50USD voucher because they didn't have the softshell gillet that i ordered and again it was a very late delivery (they should do something about their logistic system, otherwise it will be the cause of their demise).

On my previous order they game me a free arm screen warmers and a winter collar neck on top of a 15% voucher for my next order (due to late delivery as well)

How could I put an order which clearly states that an item is available, and after a week of no shipping and upon my complaint they reply with the item is out of stock? Well they are pretty generous in the customer service complaints and department, but really they should buckle up on their shipping flows.

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post Mar 15 2013, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 15 2013, 09:39 AM)
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i've found a new love...

R5CA is now gone and the new RCA is in... lighter and equally as expensive... USD10k...and only 345 will be made...

Cervelo claims to find the great compromise in the new Rca

$10,000 Cervélo RCA frame that weighs 667g - first look and ride

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new nickel coated carbon steerer fork...

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new squoval shape and new resin material...
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Just finish reading about this bike..it was overly expensive! Less drag then the tarmac sl4 and with the minimalist design (non bulky frame), it is definitely my dream bike...but I can only dream about it unsure.gif
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post Mar 15 2013, 02:54 PM

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as fiery as he is or Brad, that is the only proven way of concealing some udang di sebalik batu, as proven by Armstrong.

OTH I just bought the book by David Millar (Racing Through the Dark) to compliment the one from Tyler Hamilton that I bought earlier tongue.gif

eyh butthead i think you may be right at some point...perhaps it's the Rapha tactic because I am now surfing their site looking what can I have with the 50usd discount voucher haha..

u really got jedi power ohmy.gif

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post Mar 15 2013, 07:27 PM

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the one from David Walsh! ok that'll be the 3rd book to complete my collection. In fact both book I purchased earlier has given me more than I would imagine about how a pro cyclist world is (forget about the doping stuff), their daily routine, training, diets, etc was written in details.

oth, regarding the tire, will there be any differences in term of easiness of mounting the tire for a wider tire (25mm) and a thinner tire (23mm) ?

Or it all depends on the brand of the tire? I found that my 25mm schwalbe ultremo is a bit hard compare to my 23mm vittoria rubino pro and conti 4000s (both 23mm).

And about the tire tread, some is wthout any tread design, and some has a few pattern on the tire. so would the slick (like my ultreamo) will have less grip?
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post Mar 16 2013, 05:41 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 15 2013, 07:45 PM)
the books are to be taken lightly... they are liars in the first place after all... what makes their words in the book credible now?

as for the 25 vs 23 debate... i guess the only answer i can give is to try it out yourself... it works for some people and doesn't for others... as for the 25mm, you don't pump the same pressure as your 23s... you run it slightly lower and usually around 90psi depending on your weight... i have no issues with 90psi and it still holds up quite well in terms of rolling resistance and comfort...

i like 25s myself and recently, due to my 25 running down to the kevlar and multiple successive punctures... i switched back to 23 for a short period of time as i have not yet procured a replacement... riding up inclines feels a bit like the tires squishing around more than the 25 although running at higher pressures of 100-105psi...but then again, my weight could be playing a factor in how it responded for me...other factors also could be the tire layup and the rubber compound... if you are comparing the same tires of different widths, then your feel would be more validated on the ride quality of both sizes... different tires more less gives a not so definitive answer...

threads or no thread is a question of full slick for dry roads vs. a bit of all weather for the rainy days... with those thread depths, it might not help much but it is at least there to help dissipate water under the tire... unless you lean into corners like motogp riders... i'd worry about the compound more as that is the magic thing that gives you grip...not so much the threads...
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For 25mm, I pumped it up to 90psi, and on the front tire which is still using the 23mm, I pumped it to 100psi. So far so good, no issues on the ride. Sadly I couldn't test the grip properly as there are no real hills descend to try out on my weekly ride. No rainy days to try either. It is a sad boring pancake flat route wink.gif

Anyway, for the SRAM Red groupset price in KL, is there an option to opt for the one with Quarq power meter? Wondering how would the price be for the complete groups with the Quarq crank? sweat.gif

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post Mar 16 2013, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 16 2013, 11:01 AM)
your bike shop can order them in but you have to let them know way in advance as i think they ship it together with their own shipment...

don't think anyone keep stock of the SRAM quarq power meters....quarq cranks are usually considered separate purchases.. i believe they can work out a deal for you if you want to purchase an entire Red group... they will just deduct off the Red cranks and put in the cost for the quarq cranks...

i would suggest not to get it first as you are not sure what frame you will be running on in future... for now, you will most likely use GXP... but future, it might be BB30 or even OSBB in future...unless you can live with sticking a GXP into a BB30 frame via adaptors... i would say if power meters is among your consideration... you might as well hold everything off and get it all done in one shot when you purchase the frame and group together...the quarq cranks won't be cheap, mind you... no less than RM4k by my guestimation..
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Owh thank you for your advise. But to hold it off until I can purchase everything in one go would be not feasible. I have spent 4 hours last night reading about all the power meter products available on the market, their pros and cons etc and have come to conclusion that what I need is the Quarq with the Red crank, but then I need to have the red groupset for my merida..and it will be problematic if I were to change bike in the future is it?

After so many convincing reviews, I know a wheel upgrade is not going to make me a better cyclist but a power meter and applying the knowledge to use it properly on my training will be the key. In fact price wise powermeter seems to be around a good wheelset price that I intended to splurge my money on.

So which is the best for my situation? future frame upgrades will not be this year but a power meter seems possible. I thought earlier I could just buy the Quarq with Red, put it on my merida, and it can be transferred to my new bike another year (likely the Tarmac).

Butthead what's your take on pedal based power meter? Polar look pedal has it, and am not sure about the garmin vector whether its out in the market or not.
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post Mar 16 2013, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 16 2013, 03:37 PM)
i would think it is better not to get the power meter now irregardless of what you do... if you get the frame first, then the power meter is OK...

the best scenario now since you can't wait for everything to come together is get the full Red group which i assume you will transfer to your eventual frame watever it is, but stick with a GXP crank first on the scultura... this will waste you some money by buying the GXP crank and then later the quarq crank...

but, reason is your scultura does not have BB30 and neither is there such a thing as converting to BB30... so, BB30 is out of the question now and you are still not sure of your future frame... best is to get a normal GXP crank which you can write off or sell it when you get your eventual frame and get the quarq crank then...at least this way you can maximize the crank and get the right one for your future frame which might have BB30 or OSBB which i believe you want to maximize on the axle stiffness rather than sticking to a weaker GXP Quarq crank that you will transfer over, right?

My logic is simple, it is better to sacrifice a cheaper GXP Red crank rather than a crank which you have to use converter adapters later on which you might not be 100% happy because you could not fully utilize your frame's benefits and neither do you have money to reinvest on the right quarq crank then...

with my limited knowledge on power products... i am not sure if the pedal based ones are good... and are they even out yet? i know for sure they have one thing that neither quarq, powertap or srm could do which is to measure left and right foot power outputs.. i believe quarq also has a similar feature called powerbalance which estimates your left and right foot power output, but it would not be as accurate...

as far as using power meter goes... i am not sure if it would really benefit us... i believe SRM is better than quarq but the problem being SRM is a pain where even the battery change has to go back to the vendor... KL would be creative mill in my friends case...so does calibration.. quarq allows the user to perform battery changes (CR2032) and also vector calibration themselves...not sure of how important is this criteria...

as for usage, power meter would give better readings on perceived efforts over the standard HRM as little things like sickness or health issues can mess up HR readings...while power meters give an additional dimension by letting you gauge your effort by logged power readings against your HR...in my view, unless you are really into competition and have very strict training regiments like riding intervals and riding full all out for extended duration to log your data... the data extracted might not make much sense to you and neither does it help improve your levels...the data captured can be very mind boggling to look at if you just ride normally and within your limits... you have to know how to record and utilize the data captured to make full use of it.. that or you have a trainer...

speaking from a friend's experience on owning a complete SRM.. i am not sure about using garmin and other Ant+ capable products... he also thought initially that the SRM would help him on competing in endurance events.. but later only did he find out that his readings is also quite inconsistent where some days he thought he was doing well but the logs shows that he was not comparing to other recorded logs and vice versa...

so, it is very complex and takes a lot of understanding, monitoring, analysis and comparing between logged rides if you really want to use it as a training tool... having the SRM power control also helps as i understand that there are some on the fly analysis which units like Garmin can't perform... Garmin only shows some recordings from the captured data and some additional functions if i am not wrong...it is one of the things i do not plan to have as i could not fathom it and neither do i want to complicate my life as i am just a leisure rider..

in terms of the software... i believe the SRM software is also providing much better functions that cater to serious riders.. which is why it is the choice of the pros...

p/s...also too far out of my budgets...
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It takes a while to digest your points but I finally get it. To put it simpler here's the correct upgrade path for me. Get the normal red groupset first, then later on when I do the frame upgrade, get the one with the Quarq, sell off the old GXP crank. I agree with such recommendation, although I may lose a bit of money but that's the trade off as I am not going full blown for the complete ultimate bike.

At the moment I'm pretty much has narrowed down my power meter choices to Quarq. The power balance is to measure the effort for half of the pedal rotation, downstroke and upstroke, not for the left leg and right leg if I'm not wrong. Calibration can be done via iphone app too!

SRM is out of the question, too expensive and battery replacement is not DIY so I'll skip SRM any day. Polar look keo power meter is not ANT+, so I'll skip that either as I can't be using Garmin head unit (need to have polar's line up).

Powertap is a hub-based power meter, so changing wheelsets is not a practical way to use a hub based power meter.

Garmin vector is no where to be released, unknown dates and stuffs. The did acquire it from metrigear if i'm not mistaken, and there is from Stages (left crank arm power meter), which is pretty cheap.

All in all, Quarq seems the best option though and it is as reputable as SRM in the power meter industry. And I like to do a bit more of analyzing my training to a different level (I like to analyze things). It's time to compliment my HR training with a power meter.

At the moment I can't do much of the analysis post-ride be it outdoor or indoor as i'm using the sigma, but come to think of it, rather than getting a high end wheelsets, looks good on the bike but I still ride slow, I better off by getting a proper training tools for my engine. I'm going to spend my money on bike upgrades anyway, so better choose the path correctly. There are books to help in training and logging with powermeter, especially the one by Joe Friel (which I have and applied some of his HR training practices), but still I can't train with the suggested power trainings. Nearly getting dropped by an uncle who was once overweight seems to be the wake up call for me! shakehead.gif

An investment on such tools I think will be very beneficial than a wheelset, i may not do racing but I do enjoy being fast on the road and see myself improves bit by bit. (whatever yank my chain as you may call it)

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post Mar 16 2013, 07:31 PM

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Strong finished, but even a strong fall! shame rclxms.gif


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post Mar 16 2013, 08:41 PM

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Well after I did some researched I think I can grasp what you are talking about. Well with power meter at least I got something to measure up to. It's kinda boring the way it is now, with the assumption that I do an interval on my trainer daily, only to measure it by HR.

I can't measure the success of the hours spent on the session at all. My guesstimation is I can hold the session longer and a drop in HR which is not a good point to quantify an improved performance.

Strava is playing the catch up games with the power measurement but afaik trainingpeaks is the best place to go if i want to psycho analyzed things like this. To conclude, I definitely have to have the knowledge, else buying it will be just a waste of money.

p/s: skipping the pedals based power meter, looks too fragile for my usage!
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post Mar 17 2013, 12:54 AM

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haha. YOLO! saw the Nokon links just now at my lbs. there's 2 version..rm200 and rm300. nearly take it then i remember le butthead said sram red already has the covered cabling so my money is safe.

saw campy super record eps at a whopping rm18k yawn.gif
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post Mar 17 2013, 01:13 AM

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well the lbs is known for a little bit on the high side of price but then yes it was tag at 22k dirhams, equivalent to RM18k.

DA9000 at 11k dirhams, RM9.3k.

2012 Red at 8k dirhams, RM6.7k

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post Mar 17 2013, 01:23 AM

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everything is expensive here...my driving license already took around 7K and I failed the road test for nothing. They just failed me like they failed everybody else on their 1st test! that's the part of living in other people's country.

Before you all sleep, I share with you guys some loveeeeee drool.gif


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post Mar 17 2013, 01:50 PM

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Normal driving license lah but the costs here damn expensive i have just to live with it.

Guys, any lbs in msia recommendation if i'd like to feast my eyes with all the shimanos groupsets? I know where to find SRAM but i dont know where to find shimanos.

Just wanna have a look. Thanks smile.gif
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post Mar 17 2013, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 17 2013, 04:48 PM)
If i don do anything, will it have any long term effect to the wheel?
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I also have pulsating brake feeling but i suspect it is due to dusty brake pad or the brake track.

QUOTE(butthead @ Mar 17 2013, 04:56 PM)
rodalink... can't think of any other place having from 105 to dura ace on the racks for show

malaysian license can't work over there?
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Only Rodalink? They are a bit expensive right?

Only IDP (International Driving Permit) works over here. Unlike Singapore, Msia can't transfer the license straight away which is weird as Sgpore also right hand drive like us. Here all left hand drive. Weird!

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