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The surface peeling not that much of a worry !! Water quality do play a part beside the lightings ...... As other mention diet a part too !!

The parts I highlighted in red bubble may or may not be a bigger worries later on as it grow bigger !!

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Even with less than 500 wild specimen ( less than that number in captive ) Yniphora can only command less than RM 5000 a pc ( last known price of 3" ) HOW much do you think an Egyptian is worth ( you can think many things BUT there are a few hundred captive specimen in the world ) I know many of those colony - Europe , USA , parts of Asia including Malaysia ..................

EGYPTIAN are not that rare overall as a sp !!

Pricing is what you think its worth - IF YOU LIKE its priceless , if you dont need it anymore its worthless till you found another who wants and needs it !!

SINCE you mention me , I reply what I know !!

This post has been edited by SAMPERTH: Jul 1 2013, 09:06 PM

If you go wholesale or Thai - they are much much cheaper about RM 3000 @ USD 800-1000 you can get one already !!

Getting them in legally , paper work ....... middle man need to mark up .......

Yni ( cant be legally owned in most case ) cant be compared with Aldabra ( can be legally owned and legally bred elsewhere - takes years many years to mature to reproduce thus the higher price ? )


Most sp that are sold in Malaysian market can reproduced in under 10 years - Aldabra takes about 15-20 years to do that .

I have a few european friends telling me that there are some rich collectors who are willing to dish out Euro 100k for legal baby Yni with paper trail - compare that with RM 10 k egyptian ( i doubt this pricing thou ) or RM 9xxx for aldabran

About same price from US collectors but in USD !! Thats how rare Yni are in non asian country !! If can afford buy before its too late ( maybe already too late as harder to sight one in market nowadays as compared to few years back )

http://www.adpost.com/my/pets/76172/

http://www.adpost.com/my/pets/74220/

All say come with license - should ask them instead !!

And Ya on the Aldabra !!

Gone are the days !! Everyone nowadays more active on their FaceB .........T ...... account !!

BTW just a point on the Coconut coir and peat stuff as substrate - These used with the sole or main benefit of retaining or maintaining moisture thus humidity in the enclosure !!

BUT I thought Egyptian Tortoise from Habitat and ecology

Kleinmann's tortoises live in deserts and semiarid habitats, usually with compact sand and gravel plains, scattered rocks, shallow, sandy wadis, dry woodlands, shrubby areas, and coastal salt marsh habitats. In captivity, they eat grasses, fruits, and vegetables, but the diets of wild tortoises are unknown.
They are least active when the weather is very cold or very hot. During the colder months, they are out most during midday. During the warm season, they are active in the mornings and evenings. The rest of the day is spent under bushes or in rodent burrows.


Thus do they need the extra humidity when our average air humidity is higher then in their native range ?

Ok point taken !! Mine on paper pellets , watering done outside 3 times a week , heat provided from above , no extra decoration just a few hide so no competition - so far so good for the past 6 yrs !!

Mazuri i wean off after 6 mths too costly for so many mouths !!

Even when feeding mazuri about 40% only , the rest green only ( dry sp) and with fruits ( tropical sp )

I use them by the bags instead of the 1lb pack !!

Actually I can do without ( bit over-rated I think ) just that when in season with too many hatchlings needing finely chopped green thus i substitute with moisten /soften mazuri to reduce work load !! LOl

I have some sp that have not being feed mazuri since i got them at 2-3" and they do ok and now reaching adulthood and starting the cycle just fine !!

Balance diet with variety is the way to go .

Pls check back previous posts Have done the whole set - type of wormer for which worms , IM , PO by force or with food .........

The first 4 days is to clear the adult worm first , stop for 4 days is for the eggs to hatch , the next 4 days is to clear the baby worms before they lay more eggs !!

My views are - possible as these can be legal CB from somewhere outside their place of origin !!

As long as these come in thru proper ways , with proper papers ( import , export , CITES ) we as buyer should be able to get paper to keep them !!

BUT where theres money to be made there will be ways to " legalised " illegal stuff !!

Like a few dozen new mouths every week for at least 3 months till they ready for new homes ? So number of mouths could swell up to a few hundred during peak hatching season ?

I am not trained in this field !! I am trained in the field of Finance so cant comment much .

His , is a testudo - Egyptian tortoise !!

Different genus but some basic needs still the same !!

Just a note to diff (my observation and experience anyway ) on the sulcata - they dig to get away from heat and to moisture in their native homeland !! But here in malaysia just a hide or shade and most wont dig too much so as to form burrows - just a depression on the surface !! And our mud are wet enough just 1-2" into ground !!

Peace just sharing my view

My biggest is a male - 24" early this year , got him as a 2.5" 8 or so years ago !!

Pictures posted but withdrawn early this year !!

EuJax , being a while quite a while !!

Still in the hobby ?

Depends