QUOTE(Bearheart @ Feb 19 2013, 08:21 AM)
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Peugeot 408 Owners/ Fans Thread, Motion & Emotion
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Feb 19 2013, 08:26 AM
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Feb 19 2013, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(sctang408T @ Feb 19 2013, 04:47 AM) Not expensive as compare with Japanese car. 15k at that amount is reasonable. People still worry about resale value. During my CNY gathering, my friends are impress of my car, but asking about any problem with gear or engine and the resale value. I hope you told them, the engine works like a dream and gears are smooth as baby's bottom! |
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Feb 19 2013, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Feb 19 2013, 02:19 AM) True story: Someone (other forum) actually told me that turbo engines should be compared to turbo engine cars whereas NA engines should be compared against NA engines to be fair. The bolded part is the one that looks scary, it come again on 120k km service interval. the italic part is what i suspect too. The specified L needed is 4.25 L yet everytime purchase and paid for 5L, what a waste. Think I will ask next time where does the extra 0.75 L goes to, and can we save it for next service. So with that in mind, the tsi engine should be compared to the THP engine whereas the only comparison for the PUG 408NA is against the Polo Sedan, which isn't fair either... Current thoughts are the NA 2.0 variant servicing price is actually a little on the high side if you compare against Japanese marques for regular intervals, even though the EW10A+ engine uses 1L more engine oil. I think their charges for engine oil is slightly on the high side. Oddly enough, VW is guilty of doing the same as well. To the best of my knowledge, Honda actually charges a lot less per liter for their fully synthetic engine oil. Even Toyota which I have been with them for the past 4 years don't charge a lot for fully synthetic engine oil. Perhaps their higher volume plays a role in the lower engine oil prices.On the plus side, the 408 2.0 40,000km service cost less compared to the Japanese marque. A lot less actually if those prices are accurate. Then coming to 60,000km, it is more or less on par with T&H C-segment cars. Edit: But as you have personally serviced your car at 10,000km. It actually doesn't cost as much as the listed price as in your attachment for the 2.0. It only cost more if they didn't waive the labor charges. In fact, at RM300.6 was it? It is only roughly RM50 more expensive than a regular Honda Civic (latest gen) service at 10,000km according to the service guide listed by Honda. The only problem is, all the owners I know actually only get charged around RM180+ instead. That's why those pricing is only good as a guide. The prices you submit as an owner is more accurate and we can actually see if there are any pricing discrepancies between different service centers. Edit 2: If I were to compare the Jetta with the 408 THP, then on paper I'd say the Jetta cost more during the regular service intervals where the 408 major servicing at 60,000 is unbelievably expensive compared to the 60,000km Jetta service. But I'd actually have to start crunching some numbers to know for sure if they are actually on par with each other or is one more slightly more or much more expensive. I'll probably do that a little later in the week. But I still find it hard to believe RM180++ /10k km only for new Honda Civic. My Honda experience so far (my Mrs. car) is they always charged higher than indicated in schedule, and higher than 180++ at 5k km interval (older version of Honda), so 180++ at 10k km is really AMAZING if true. |
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Feb 19 2013, 01:44 PM
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possible if you pour in mineral engine oil and run it for 10000kms
anything fully synthetic will cost RM250 onwards nowadays |
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Feb 19 2013, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(EP6CDTM @ Feb 19 2013, 01:44 PM) possible if you pour in mineral engine oil and run it for 10000kms That is right. I think if our fren mr Z looks a bit deeper, new Honda Civic 1.8/2.0 actually charged RM310. per 10k service, see below, source: Honda.com.myanything fully synthetic will cost RM250 onwards nowadays x1,000 km** 1 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 Month** 1 6 12 18 24 30 36 42 48 54 60 Labour* (RM) 24.80* 127.47* 128.15 127.47* 138.49 127.47* 141.93 127.47* 159.16 127.47* 169.49 Parts (RM) Nil 115.90 258.76 208.08 298.40 115.90 451.77 115.90 805.68 208.08 943.83 Total Cost (RM) 24.80 243.37 386.91 335.55 436.89 243.37 593.70 243.37 964.84 335.55 1,113.32 Hourly labour rate – RM65 *Free labour at 1,000km, 10,000km, 30,000km, 50,000km, 70,000km and 90,000km *Inclusive of 6% Govt.Tax **Kilometres or time in months whichever comes first. Note: 1. We recommend to use genuine HONDA Fully Synthetic Engine Oil (SM0W-20) for optimum performance and better fuel consumption. 2. We recommend refilling with genuine Honda Long Life Antifreeze/Coolant Type 2. Using non-Honda genuine coolant may result in corrosion, causing the cooling system to malfunction or fail. 3. We recommend refilling with genuine Honda Brake Fluid (DOT 3 or DOT 4). Using non-Honda genuine brake fluid may result in corrosion and decrease the life of the system. 4. Prices quoted are for genuine HONDA Mineral Oil & Economical Coolant (Type 1). Preventive Maintenance Rates & Costs have been revised as of May 2012. All effort has been taken to ensure that the information is accurate and up-to-date. However, prices are subject to change as and when necessary without prior update, and parts or services not covered in this guide are subject to additional charges. So 115.90 , 386.91 , 208.08, 436.89, 115.90, 593.70 first 60 km total 1,857.38 which is approx. 309.56 per 10k service |
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Feb 19 2013, 03:26 PM
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yup
even my colleague's vios is paying RM300 +- for a 10000km service and remember that's for a class B car! |
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Feb 19 2013, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 19 2013, 02:17 PM) That is right. I think if our fren mr Z looks a bit deeper, new Honda Civic 1.8/2.0 actually charged RM310. per 10k service, see below, source: Honda.com.my Haiya, I got bill to look at of coz I know those people who just serviced their car is using 5w40 fully synthetic oil what. On top of that, owners have been given a rm40 discount voucher as well. I also got one for the 1st service for answering a questionaire they send us. The 2nd service for 20,000km may cost rm250 or so, maybe even rm300. Once some of the owners have their 2nd service, I'll get their bill and we can compare notes again. x1,000 km** 1 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 Month** 1 6 12 18 24 30 36 42 48 54 60 Labour* (RM) 24.80* 127.47* 128.15 127.47* 138.49 127.47* 141.93 127.47* 159.16 127.47* 169.49 Parts (RM) Nil 115.90 258.76 208.08 298.40 115.90 451.77 115.90 805.68 208.08 943.83 Total Cost (RM) 24.80 243.37 386.91 335.55 436.89 243.37 593.70 243.37 964.84 335.55 1,113.32 Hourly labour rate – RM65 *Free labour at 1,000km, 10,000km, 30,000km, 50,000km, 70,000km and 90,000km *Inclusive of 6% Govt.Tax **Kilometres or time in months whichever comes first. Note: 1. We recommend to use genuine HONDA Fully Synthetic Engine Oil (SM0W-20) for optimum performance and better fuel consumption. 2. We recommend refilling with genuine Honda Long Life Antifreeze/Coolant Type 2. Using non-Honda genuine coolant may result in corrosion, causing the cooling system to malfunction or fail. 3. We recommend refilling with genuine Honda Brake Fluid (DOT 3 or DOT 4). Using non-Honda genuine brake fluid may result in corrosion and decrease the life of the system. 4. Prices quoted are for genuine HONDA Mineral Oil & Economical Coolant (Type 1). Preventive Maintenance Rates & Costs have been revised as of May 2012. All effort has been taken to ensure that the information is accurate and up-to-date. However, prices are subject to change as and when necessary without prior update, and parts or services not covered in this guide are subject to additional charges. So 115.90 , 386.91 , 208.08, 436.89, 115.90, 593.70 first 60 km total 1,857.38 which is approx. 309.56 per 10k service |
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Feb 19 2013, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(EP6CDTM @ Feb 19 2013, 03:26 PM) yup Btw, the last time I serviced my corolla Altis before selling it off was in jan 2012. They used about 3.xx liters of fully synthetic engine oil. The bill was about rm190+ or so for the oil. So okay, the car still uses about 1L less but they still charge cheaper per liter. Basically, it probably means they have economy of scale working in their favor because of their bigger volume.even my colleague's vios is paying RM300 +- for a 10000km service and remember that's for a class B car! |
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Feb 19 2013, 04:44 PM
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Feb 19 2013, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 19 2013, 10:53 AM) The bolded part is the one that looks scary, it come again on 120k km service interval. the italic part is what i suspect too. The specified L needed is 4.25 L yet everytime purchase and paid for 5L, what a waste. Think I will ask next time where does the extra 0.75 L goes to, and can we save it for next service. Naza Kia allows you to save that extra engine oil and use it for the following service. But depends on which SC u go to. Either way, knowing the Service Manager is always good. |
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Feb 19 2013, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Feb 19 2013, 04:11 PM) Haiya, I got bill to look at of coz I know those people who just serviced their car is using 5w40 fully synthetic oil what. On top of that, owners have been given a rm40 discount voucher as well. I also got one for the 1st service for answering a questionaire they send us. The 2nd service for 20,000km may cost rm250 or so, maybe even rm300. Once some of the owners have their 2nd service, I'll get their bill and we can compare notes again. K. Fair enough but that also means u have to wait for folks like me to reach 20k ... So wait ya. And wait for me to oso apply for vouchers ya since coupon, voucher pun Sudah ada jadi pasal n buat kacau |
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Feb 19 2013, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 19 2013, 05:01 PM) K. Fair enough but that also means u have to wait for folks like me to reach 20k ... So wait ya. And wait for me to oso apply for vouchers ya since coupon, voucher pun Sudah ada jadi pasal n buat kacau Without voucher, the price is around rm220. You can always calculate based on that, which isn't expensive either |
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Feb 19 2013, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Feb 19 2013, 05:25 PM) Without voucher, the price is around rm220. You can always calculate based on that, which isn't expensive either What I can see is what u see too, which is Honda probably due to their high sale volume especially the evergreen city, can sell their own brand full synthetic engine oil at very low price. Thrown in the mix is more free labour for alternate 10k service in the 1st 100k km. Something that Conti including VW may find hard to compete due to the smaller local sales volume. Coincides with that is the kind of royalty programme they can provide with free vouchers, etc. There is just no economy of scale for conti. PERIOD. If that is the conclusion, I can concede. But then again is Civic giving away 1st year insurance and road tax? Hmmmmm.......any idea? |
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Feb 19 2013, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Feb 19 2013, 05:41 PM) What I can see is what u see too, which is Honda probably due to their high sale volume especially the evergreen city, can sell their own brand full synthetic engine oil at very low price. Thrown in the mix is more free labour for alternate 10k service in the 1st 100k km. Something that Conti including VW may find hard to compete due to the smaller local sales volume. Coincides with that is the kind of royalty programme they can provide with free vouchers, etc. There is just no economy of scale for conti. PERIOD. If that is the conclusion, I can concede. They were selling last year stocks for 5k plus discount and this year models for about rm2300+ discounts. Haven't heard of free road tax or insurance, could be the alternative offer if you didn't want the discounts. But then again is Civic giving away 1st year insurance and road tax? Hmmmmm.......any idea? Honda doesn't manufacture their own engine oil, don't think any automotive manufacturer does that. Their supplier is Idemitsu as far as I know. I was really hoping Contis could close the gap of servicing cost with the Japanese, then people will have one less reason to buy T&H. |
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Feb 19 2013, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(jfcheong @ Feb 19 2013, 08:28 PM) Good info bro. Maybe should add this to the intro page! |
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Feb 19 2013, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Feb 19 2013, 10:27 AM) Ya, I did.Beside that, when I sent the car for washing the boss keep looking on my car. And in Genting while waiting near Genting skyway, the police came and said he won't afford to own this car even after 50 years of working as police. |
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