If those prices from jacksonkua is correct, then they are after a niche type of buyer.

So I take it that you will either sell your 408 for the DS4/DS5 or buy it outright then? Award winning car is right up your alley isn't it? When can we hear the good news from you?

Good hope to hear the good news from you in say a month to 6 months from now depending on stocks or waiting list if any

Oops my bad, lets hope they being the air cross here then

At best, you can have both marques utilizing the same building, but it has to have 2 separate entrance/exits, 2 separate owners lounge, 2 separate service counters and 2 separate workshops for both marques. But they will never allow Peugeot owners to service their cars in a Citroen service center or vice versa, irregardless of how underutilized a service center is.

It's a good idea no doubt, but from a marketing perspective, it would be a disaster for them.

It's the same for any marque. It will still be clearly divided even if the marques share the same building.

Toyota and Lexus utilize a lot of common parts and car platform, but imagine if Lexus owners could service their cars in a Toyota Service center or vice versa. How would that look?

Already discussed this awhile back in the Citroen chit chat corner before you posted that. You can read that thread for more info if you want. There are some good points made there.

The most interesting thing is what do they mean by upscaling the Peugeot brand?

1. Do they intend to create an entirely new brand entity to cater to the lower income groups? Thus positioning Peugeot into the middle segment and Citroen into the high line or...
2. Do they intend to position Citroen in the middle segment and move Peugeot into the high line
3. Increase the price of Peugeot cars?
etc. etc.

Too many different possibilities but we can only speculate on their current intentions for now on how they intend to go about doing that.

PSA needs to be more clear with their marque positioning. I agree with you that they aren't very clear when it comes to the division of brands. It seems like both marques also cater to the mass market at the same time. Then there is the high end Citroen DS line to tackle higher income groups.

Personal viewpoint is that Citroen is more high end compared to Peugeot, but like you, the recent news is making me confused on which is supposed to be the premium brand now.

When I had my Corolla Altis, I always put my gear in N when going downhill (actually that's a very bad thing to do) and N when I'm stopped at traffic. Hastily switching over to D or not will not have an issue with the longevity. Personal experience after 4 years of ownership. Assuming that the PUG408NA uses the same Toyota Aisin 4 speeder, then it should follow the same logic as well.

In my current ride, I was told not to put the gear into N at all while at a traffic light, just leave it as D to preserve the DSG gearbox longevity. No idea how true this is, but since I've seen a few people talk about doing this, I figured it was better to just follow.

Not a damn clue actually, lol! But I suspect it would be the case now that you mentioned it. So far I've read 2 cases of DSG gearbox overheating but I often wonder if it has anything to do with the hill hold function causing the problem rather than the mechatronic unit.

In start stop or low speed traffic jams, the gearbox hardly goes above 3rd gear, even going from 2nd gear to 3rd gear is rare occurrence unless there's enough room to accelerate. DSG gearboxes are also truly adaptive. Mine has already adapted to my driving style, that 2nd gear DSG jerkiness/drag is now barely noticeable unless you really pay very close attention to it. The downside is that it takes about 5 months or so before the DSG programming starts to have any noticeable change

That's true.

Have you seen their drive for the speakers? It's no bigger than a 20 cent coin, and the cone itself is made from paper, you're lucky if it's plastic. Damn lucky if it's made of MDF material, lol.

Most C-segment Japanese cars have really awful audio systems. Even the latest Camry audio system is quite nasty, but the ones powering the D-segments K5 and the new Mazda 6 are both quite good.

That's not the way you tell how good your car FC is. The MFD isn't accurate. The best way is to do it like what I do. Record down your mileage (total km travelled on trip A for example) when you fill up your empty petrol tank. Note down the total amount of fuel bought (total liters) and enter both figures into fuelly (www.fuelly.com), and you will know exactly what kind of mileage your car is doing.

Not at all surprising. Even the JD Powers survey scored the Germans poorly. MINI which is part of BMW doesn't give a surprising result either. Only Jaguar, Porsche, Mercedes did very well. BMW made some gains in the latest study and is now placed above the industrial average. Audi also showed an improvement but is still under the industrial average.

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/quality-press-release.htm

Moral of the story: If you want a reliable and dependable car with the least amount of problems, go Japanese!

Wow! Look at the top 10 marques! 6 out of 10 are Japanese, 2 belongs to the American, 1 is Korean and the final is a VW subsidiary brand.

Truthfully, many VW owners have also complained about the drop in VW quality. In their drive to become the world no.1 car manufacturer by volume, no doubt they have let slip on some quality issues. But their volume of cars sold also easily 2x/3x/4x even compared to some of their continental rivals. If the manufacturing defect is set at 0.05% of the total volume of cars sold, that number would also scale accordingly to their total volume of cars sold. Hence, the result is nothing new nor surprising at all.

Oddly enough, SKODA sits in the top 10, that's quite unexpected considering that its DNA is essentially VW.

Sad but true, if you wanted something reliable and dependable - The Japanese are still the ones to look at.

Despite poor scores, I doubt it would stop you from buying another BMW if you were financially able to right?

I find it very surprising that Skoda is actually in the top 10 list instead of VW. Otherwise, I'm not bothered.

The more reliable the car is, the better. But if I were to buy a car solely based on that decision alone, I wouldn't have bought the Passat last year. I would have just opted to go for the Camry instead. If you had followed the 2012 New Toyota Camry thread, it was one of the few issues I was agonizing over when I decided to look for a new ride last year.

So why did you buy a P408NA in the first place if you wanted a reliable and dependable ride? The more obvious choice are the Japanese isn't it? They are no.1 when it comes to reliability and dependability.

As a consumer, I buy a car, I expect it to work when I use it. If problem happens, I expect them to fix the problem when I bring it to them and honor the warranty. I can moan and b**** about it all I want too, but the important thing is to get it fixed in a reasonable time frame and then I'd be satisfied. Throw in some free service vouchers or discount for my troubles and I would be even happier.

What I say about VW quality dropping due to their drive to become no.1 is just an opinion on my part. But you can probably put 1 and 1 together based on the number of automotive news that's circulating about them and you would also come to the same reasonable conclusion as well. In reality, they would never admit any drop in quality either for obvious reasons. Like it or not, they are outselling all of their continental rivals and doing so with very healthy profit as well. You can draw your on conclusion why that is the case.

Btw, I'm done my homework when I bought my car, and I'm fully prepared to deal with it whatever that may or may not happen. But in the meantime, I will just enjoy my car, doesn't have to get anymore complicated than that

You can draw your own conclusion. The best answer I can give you is that the criteria we use when it comes to buying cars is different.

Btw, all cars in Malaysia are overpriced Hopefully the upcoming election will do something about that

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Mar 4 2013, 03:40 PM

Sounds good actually

As an owner, the only thing I really care about is that they honor my warranty claims and fix my problems in a reasonable time frame. That's all.

Btw, if money wasn't an issue, I wouldn't buy a VW and go for more premium makes such as Audi/BMW/Mercedes

By that time there would be much better cars la bro. As it is, the hybrid A6 is already looking highly desirable and at a price that you wouldn't need to sell a kidney just to buy. Just imagine the kind of cars we will get in 3 to 4 years time

I'm confused. Are you waiting on the tow truck for your car now or is someone else's car waiting for a tow truck?