For comparison purposes against 408 THP

VW Golf TSI 1.4 15000km service price

Total: RM469.00

Engine oil 5W40 (3.6) - RM244.80
Labor (?) - RM120
Sundry (???) - RM20

Not exactly cheap either, lol. It may very well be much more expensive compared to the 308/408 THP

It would be great of course. What it only needs is time and also for owners to be forthcoming with their service cost.

Welcome back, good LNY holiday I hope

That's good information shared here

Service price would look reasonable if RM300.70 included labor, it looks like you'd be paying RM 426.70 in the 20,000km interval which is kind of expensive considering it's an NA.

Don't they have 5 years warranty? I don't think it would really matter until after year 5, which is the same for KIA and VW and any other marque that offers 5 years warranty.

Good info. How much does it cost to properly decarbonize an engine?

But wouldn't the 508 have more mods since it's actually sold in Europe, China, and everywhere else except in US/Canada while the 408 is sold everywhere except Europe and US/Canada to the best of my knowledge.

Isn't it usually the following? More places sold = higher volume product = more aftermarket mods?

Anyway, here's something interesting from Peugeot Brasil for the 408 limited. Look at the center console, it's touchscreen and it actually looks pretty damn sleek. And look at the badge, the font design looks very elegant, I'd admit it's also actually quite nice to look at.





http://www.facebook.com/peugeotbrasil/app_245909958870530

Hey thanks for sharing. Very informative.

I'm actually fairly curious about the engine. The EP6CDTM is the same engine being used in the mini cooper S/Countryman as well right? So are the mods already in the Mini Cooper or is the 408 the first recipient of the new engine changes? What about tuning upgrades? Is it the same tuned engine as the Mini Cooper or is it still detuned as per the pre-facelift 308 version? Appreciate if you can list out some of the differences between the EP6CDTM in the 408T/308T and the MC

Very good information there again, thanks. Certainly learnt more about the Prince Engine today. It's also a really significant amount of upgrades.

Damn unfortunate they didn't retify the earlier batches of 308T problems sooner or it would have made a huge difference in sales today. Back in 2008, the 308T/407 were practically the cars of the moment. Best car specs, best power performance and best pricing compared to the likes of Altis/Civic/Sylphy etc. Literally nothing out there was as good and VW wasn't even contender then as well, and the only car that could match in terms of equipment was the outgoing Mazda 6 but that was a much more expensive car. I was literally blown away by how good their offering was when I saw the specs on paper and I had just gotten my Corolla Altis back then when they launched the 308/407!

Well, it's definitely more expensive than the typical Japanese sedan for sure. Many owners were offered free servicing for the 1st 2 services as well as part of their package. The family has got a VW Polo Tsi that took this deal. I was also offered the same for the Passat but I declined and took another 1k+ off instead from the list price. I've to sit down to work out the math, because they go on a 15,000km service interval instead of a 10,000km service interval so you have a difference of 5000km there which can explain the pricing.

Also, I'm not sure if this is the right way to do it, but if you divided 10,000km by range RM326 to RM336 for the turbo variant and 15000km by RM475.60, you can actually work out the cost of servicing per km. And both marque look like they are about the same, give and take a few ringgit. Also it's kind of hard to directly compare the 30,000km servicing with the Peugeot interval because it's essentially 1/1/2 servicing for VW whereas Peugeot owners would have done the 20,000km mark.

From the looks of things, i think both marques are on par with each other, could be that VW is a little more expensive if I were to guesstimate. The engine oil pricing looks about right, it will range around RM250 to RM280. The labor also looks about on par with what they tried to charge you when you sent in your P408NA for servicing. The windscreen cleaner is optional I think. Everything else actually looks kind of about the price that I'd expect to pay.

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This post has been edited by zweimmk: Feb 19 2013, 02:37 AM

True story: Someone (other forum) actually told me that turbo engines should be compared to turbo engine cars whereas NA engines should be compared against NA engines to be fair.

So with that in mind, the tsi engine should be compared to the THP engine whereas the only comparison for the PUG 408NA is against the Polo Sedan, which isn't fair either...

Current thoughts are the NA 2.0 variant servicing price is actually a little on the high side if you compare against Japanese marques for regular intervals, even though the EW10A+ engine uses 1L more engine oil. I think their charges for engine oil is slightly on the high side. Oddly enough, VW is guilty of doing the same as well. To the best of my knowledge, Honda actually charges a lot less per liter for their fully synthetic engine oil. Even Toyota which I have been with them for the past 4 years don't charge a lot for fully synthetic engine oil. Perhaps their higher volume plays a role in the lower engine oil prices.

On the plus side, the 408 2.0 40,000km service cost less compared to the Japanese marque. A lot less actually if those prices are accurate. Then coming to 60,000km, it is more or less on par with T&H C-segment cars.

Edit: But as you have personally serviced your car at 10,000km. It actually doesn't cost as much as the listed price as in your attachment for the 2.0. It only cost more if they didn't waive the labor charges. In fact, at RM300.6 was it? It is only roughly RM50 more expensive than a regular Honda Civic (latest gen) service at 10,000km according to the service guide listed by Honda. The only problem is, all the owners I know actually only get charged around RM180+ instead. That's why those pricing is only good as a guide. The prices you submit as an owner is more accurate and we can actually see if there are any pricing discrepancies between different service centers.

Edit 2: If I were to compare the Jetta with the 408 THP, then on paper I'd say the Jetta cost more during the regular service intervals where the 408 major servicing at 60,000 is unbelievably expensive compared to the 60,000km Jetta service. But I'd actually have to start crunching some numbers to know for sure if they are actually on par with each other or is one more slightly more or much more expensive. I'll probably do that a little later in the week.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Feb 19 2013, 07:56 AM

Haiya, I got bill to look at of coz I know those people who just serviced their car is using 5w40 fully synthetic oil what. On top of that, owners have been given a rm40 discount voucher as well. I also got one for the 1st service for answering a questionaire they send us. The 2nd service for 20,000km may cost rm250 or so, maybe even rm300. Once some of the owners have their 2nd service, I'll get their bill and we can compare notes again.

Btw, the last time I serviced my corolla Altis before selling it off was in jan 2012. They used about 3.xx liters of fully synthetic engine oil. The bill was about rm190+ or so for the oil. So okay, the car still uses about 1L less but they still charge cheaper per liter. Basically, it probably means they have economy of scale working in their favor because of their bigger volume.

Without voucher, the price is around rm220. You can always calculate based on that, which isn't expensive either

They were selling last year stocks for 5k plus discount and this year models for about rm2300+ discounts. Haven't heard of free road tax or insurance, could be the alternative offer if you didn't want the discounts.

Honda doesn't manufacture their own engine oil, don't think any automotive manufacturer does that. Their supplier is Idemitsu as far as I know. I was really hoping Contis could close the gap of servicing cost with the Japanese, then people will have one less reason to buy T&H.

City yes. Also if your city was 07 batch, there was a 3 year free service promo. I don't remember if it was free labour or all inclusive, but that was cheap then. City goes on 5k service interval and still do so now, but not the new civic.

Right now the price is around rm220 to rm230 1st 10k service for the new Civic and they send you a rm40 discount voucher if you complete a questionnaire that they mail you.

Is that important? It's not like they sell Honda brand engine oil over the counter and people that buy them won't usually be end users, at least I don't think so. And people who run tracks will probably be buying race grade engine oil instead (e.g. Motul). Let's move on to more major issues rather than nitpick stuff that hardly matters at all.

The important thing is for Contis to try to close the service cost gap. Be it NA or forced induction. Then there are less reasons to buy T&H&N and we get better specification cars because of increased competition. Winner: consumer

Moving on. Have you thought about the part costs for your PUG after warranty ends and where to service you car after that or do you not intend to keep the car longer than 4 or 5 years? Does Nasim allow owners to bring their own engine oil to the service center?

Are there any good reliable outside workshop? Any clues?

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Feb 20 2013, 10:11 AM

There's that new Audi A6 hybrid, rumor has it that it falls in the rm288k range excluding insurance. Then there is the BMW active 3&5 which falls under the forget about it price category.

Interestingly, Audi actually allows owners to bring their own engine oil. But they are distributed by Euromobil rather than handled by VWM. VW allows you to use your own engine oil to top up the oil levels for tsi engine but it has to be an engine oil in their approved oil list. During service intervals, you have to use the engine oil provided by the service center, this is true for the TTDI branch, I haven't checked the other branches to see if it is also true for them as well.