Good to hear other forums say the 408t engine has no problems. The difference on this engine is listed at the initial page of this thread,incase you wannna know. FYI there are 50 408t owners here. None have complained about the engine or gearbox. About a dozen of us are early birds,got our Lions soon after launch,roughly 8 - 9 months ago. Non of us have had any engine or gearbox issues.

Go for it mate,you'll love the roar of the Lion!

I have to absolutely agree here. There are so many hearsay experts! Well that's the net,can't run them out. Unfortunately public perception is affected by these fellows to a great extent. However I view defect comments positively. It gives me chance to check out my car, and not face the problem at an unexpected time. Having said this it is important to be mature about defect reporting publically!

In addition I'd say the local franchise holder plays a very important role. Pugs are not bad, there will be problems like any other brand. It's how well these problems are address and solved. Infact this is an area of opportunity for the franchise holder to turn the negative view of the product into positive. An excellent avenue to affect public perception positively!

Quite a lot of people I know fall in this category too,some very well educated! That is truly a sad state,especially with this day and age of technology and the availability of a wealth of information.

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Feb 17 2013, 01:41 PM

If you exceed 6 months just because you've not done 10K,you've blown your warranty bye-bye!

Can share with us why you prefer the 408 over 508? Any discount for 508?

Yes thats the way. Don't exceed 6 months if low mileage use. Me too low mileage use,so I keep to 6 month service without fail!

I'd guess,greater discount for slower moving models. We do see a lot more 508s than 408s on the road. I could afford the 508,but chose the 408 for 2 reasons. I did a lot of research before buying.

1st reason for 408 choice was the mods brought on the Prince to improve reliability.
2nd I was totally unhappy the way NAZA trashed 508 owners over GPS issue.

Yes the 508 has greater market coverage than 408. 408 was designed for China & Argentina market. Till today it's not available in Europe,if I'm not mistaken.

Fuel quality in Argentina is considered to be of lower standards than Europe,hence some of the mods cater for lower fuel and atmospheric condition. The EP6CDTM carries 8 mods intotal to improve reliability over it's earlier brothers. These are not after market mods. The engine has been given a serious make over by BMW. At present this engine is only offered on the 408T.

The GPS unit is already available Malaysia. Most of us are worried it will affect warranty,I'm holding for the moment. The Limited badge looks classic!

Tks bro. Glad to help our bro's who may require additional tech info. of our lovely Pug. I'm glad also to know my input has affected some our bros positively in their choice on 408s.

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Feb 18 2013, 01:36 PM

Glad to have you on board bro darrez. I'm sure your input will be of great value!

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Feb 18 2013, 03:47 PM

You are most welcome bro.

Early MC had an engine with 163hp,but it's not EP6CDTM. Present engine is EP6DTS with 173hp/247nm torque. An overboost function can temporarily push torque to 260nm. Prince EP6CDTX, on the RCZ and 308 GTI puts out 200hp/275nm. There are tuning upgrades,but I have not looked at them. Don't want to do anything to void warranty.

408 is the only recipient of EP6CTM at present. I guess this will change depending on the engines reliability which has been good thus far. However it still early to gauge success.

The mods on EP6CDTM are as follows:

1) Engine tuned to run on RON 87 petrol
2) Remapped ECU
3) New designed piston with lower compression
4) New designed catalyzer.
5) New engine oil filter housing with heat exchanger
6) New turbo charger
7) New fuel tank gauge unit with lower pressure pump to handle lower grade petrol.
8) A fuel filter to cater for hash atmospheric condition ( third world country)

Cheers!

Waaaah jessy,that is one fears Pug la!

I hope you told them, the engine works like a dream and gears are smooth as baby's bottom!

Good info bro. Maybe should add this to the intro page!

Bro you really know how to get me all fired up la. Ya I was eyeing the DS5 last year itself. As usual I stared my research on this car. Was very disappointed with what I found out. Sad to say the DS series,well known for it magic carpet ride, has lost that charm on this model. Engine not being EP6CTDM is also a disappointment. The design is absolutely eye catching, interior and exterior. The car is breathtakingly beautiful and unfortunately thats only skin deep! Under all that beauty lay somewhat harsh suspensions and rather unprecise steering according to reviews. For the suggested price, I expect a much smoother and comfortable ride. Don't know what went wrong with the steering. I have owned 17 cars (mostly contis) in the past. Volvo,Bimer, Audi,Ford,Crysler in that pack,all of em older series. 408t steering feel and feedback is well above all that I've owned. Citroen is under PSA, what went wrong!

Having said that the DS5 hybrid turbo diesel is a babe. That is a dream machine. That has completely different suspension system and many other great differences. Even if it comes to Malaysia it will only stay in my dreams, as the price will be outrageously out of reach!

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Feb 21 2013, 02:12 PM

Hehehe....tks for making me unofficial Dato.Maybe we'll have teh tarik and yarn away of the good times!

My mistake!

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Feb 21 2013, 05:12 PM

That's true for heavy foot. I too get about 460km for 53L. I don't really bother about FC, rather enjoy the car!

If you are concerned about FC than get the NA. With careful driving I'm sure you'll get very good FC. With the turbo,although on paper it returns better FC than NA,it reality it is very difficult. I know some have achieved it. But for me and bro jfcheong, have to go for light foot surgery la, damn turbo is so addictive!

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Feb 22 2013, 06:38 PM

Cool ass there bro EnergyAnalyst! That surely must be a limited edition... ....hehehe!

This post has been edited by SKYjack: Feb 22 2013, 06:41 PM