Yikes ahui, our 408 2.0 NA bought at same batch just weeks apart from same centre n seemed now 2.0 easier to get sick than turbo. I pity your predicament n worry about my car too. But keep us posted, best hope is still at Glenmarie HQ. I pray for your car every day n hope others will join me (whatever god we believe)

Ok, do u know these two, are they nice or naughty?

Geez... Fire?! Can't believe I am reading this

Read those links from ahui. The problem with 2.0 sudden and frequent engine stops has been reported in china too. The frequency is alarming( china only sell 2.0 NA MT or AT). I will translate it for all ad many cannotbread chinese but not tonite may be tomorrow morning - had a tiring day n will hit the pillow soon.

Good attempt Zweimmk, just to correct some and add

The above statement is not made by peugeot but the investigation made by the reporter thru interview with a certain Vice President of the Beijing Institute of automotive technology .

This peson stated if the if the defect phenomena is a common problem, then the problem comes from the car it self, hence it belongs to a manufacturing defect.

The reporter has also interviewed the spokeperson from Dongfeng-Peugeot China, PIC of marketing (a certain Mr Ma) who stated these are isolated cases, and the reason can be many-due to the car, the driving, the fuel used, but he statetd he is not technical guy, so suggest feedback to aftersales and let them resolve it

In response to ECU software upgrade, an interview with another auto expert (Mr Lang), he stated that it is not the best solution for a new car that just have a few thousand km clocked, because many may be hardware issue. For an old car that has 300,000 km +, defect of ignition cessation has to do with carbon build up and Gumming. Normal 4 cylinder car, idle speed is 800 rpm approximately, if adjust it to 900 to 1000 rpm to solve the ignition cessation issue, not only it would cause other defect, it will also damage the gear, and not changing ECU but only revise sofware will cause the car to be in sub-optimal driving condition. ECU may trigger and operate under emergency/contigency programme, and may solve the problem in short term , but in long term, it will bring Three-way catalytic damage and below standard emmission and increased fuel consumption

However according to the rough survey, 2010 launched 408 models sold 50,000 units ++ (in China), 300 complaint at at 21-July 2010 is not a small number.

The source of the defect info is from China Car Quality Web, a subidiary of National Quality Inspection HQ or Division. The owner who reveal/reflect comes from Tibet, HongKong, Macau, Taiwan and other places nationwide, so the reporter questioned the claim from Dongfeng-Peugeot China, PIC of marketing (a certain Mr Ma) that it could be due to local auto fuel quality issue that may not meet the 408 fuel standard demand. More over, how can a car sold in China, not adjust to local fuel standard, and blame now on the fuel standard instead as the cause of problem, and to the reporter, that is really not being reponsible.

one owner complained one year the IC (Ignition cessation) problem happened more than 10 times, first time after one month having the car, after that continuosuly happening, especially at low spped, after software upgrade at the 4S centre, not resolve, after changing oil filter also cannot, after carbon deposit cleaning, and change to ron97 , from April 3rd to 17th June no more issue, but after 4,000km when cornering at car park, it happened again. The symptom before it happen is the power becomes tiring soft, lesser power when accelerate, longer response time from stepping on accelerator, and unstable idle speed, heavy steer.

Another owner bought in May 2010, first batch, after 4,000 km about 16 October 2010, it happened first time, intially he ignored it , then it becomes more frequent, from one time half monthly become weekly, 3 days once, at last 2-3 times a day. Changing engine oil, cleaning valves, still cannot solve, upgrade software then , it stoppped, then in 8-7-2011, it happened again. It recurred after 1 month, than 10 days after that, so it has definately come back.....

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http://www.12365auto.com/news/2011-06-17/2...617095614.shtml

more link on this, now involve another expert interview with United States's Road&Track Magazine columnist, who is also an US authoritative automotive information Web site Edmunds.com automotive technology analyst Joe Troise

I will translate this and edit this post later.....

so here it goes

Oil quality is not the only possibility for 408 Ignition Cessation

source: quality of Chinese automobile quality web time: 2011-6-17 author: Zhen Yan Editor: Li Xi

Dongfeng Peugeot currently conventional approach to this issue is to clean up the carbon deposition throttle, and upgrade your vehicle computer. Chinese automobile quality web according to complaint information analysis, this is not solving the problem at its root. Some Owners ask us, before the manufacturers thoroughly find the cause of the problem and to solve itwhat should we do, we can only suggest that, as far as possible, go to the taxi driver favorite gas station for refueling, because they are most sensitive to information on quality of the oil. Or, fit your 408 car with a warning sticker “may brakes at any time, do not follow closely”. Let other car follow far away from you. We recognize that this is a ridiculous suggestion. However, if 408 ignition cessation was due mainly to oil quality, this is not far off. The point is, is this the only possibility of frequent stalled of 408?
To understand the causes of ignition cessation common occurence, China Automobile quality web has interviewed the media representatives in the United States, Road&Track Magazine columnist and United States authoritative automotive information Web site Edmunds.com Automotive Analyst Joe Troise, he said in an interview with us, there may be many reasons behind the ignition cessation problems.

Following is Joe Troise ‘s analytical comments:
In view of the many new car uses ignition coils and spark plugs to ignite in the gas tanks of flammable mixtures of oil and gas (cylinder and spark plug, coil corresponds to one by one), so that ignition coil first is the easy suspect, ignition coils will set the appropriate conditions transmitted in code to the on-board computer /ECU.
Sometimes, automotive engine and vehicle using the relevant fuel quality, fuel grade match, parts and defects (such as the fuel nozzle blockage or malfunction, relevant part code cannot be transferred) have a great relationship, so the diagnosis becomes more difficult, thus drivers and repair technicians had to repeatedly experiment by "replacement parts or repeated testing"
For those vehicles using more conventional ignition system, one need to suspect ignition cables or wires, which equipped with electric cables or wires connected to the spark plug.
In addition, in the course of practical examinations, I have often noticed a phenomenon, that is sometimes driver think their car stalling problem occurred because of ignition cessation, but in fact it is automatic transmission that has failed. The owners once a vehicle suddenly stops or pause sudenly would immediately think of engine failure, but sometimes it has to do also with electronic control system failure of the auto transmission gear box
China automobile quality web has gathered cases of domestic and foreign manufacturers recall since the 2011 because of the stalling problem, which in it can also be found, car stalling reasons indeed do vary. It is worth mentioning that, many of the recall made by manufacturer themselves was given serious attention after /as a result of few isolated cases. 408 ignition cessation problem has been becoming more widespread, why manufacturers are ignoring (todate before the recall announcement was made later) are really making people find it incomprehensible.

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Change the ECU may be just the solution for ahui

My Prayer's answered , Great! so happy for you, bro. Bet you have missed ur car like crazy

i can confirm my case (NA) is no remote for the sapre key but immobilizer-coded ? not sure, don't look it

SKYjack , that is equivalent of calling you an old fart. hahaha, sorry can't resist this one

That is also true . How to resist ? new facelifts, new models, like iphones and all the samsung S-es . Make me feel like an old fart too. (hey I am actually one)

it is zweimmk, pug7980.

I said this before and say it again, pug or other conti (VW, Ford, etc. etc.) is not meant for faint hearted. If you do not have what it takes to own one, well don't - u don't have to.

I will say this just to add, despite all the potential hiccups here and there. Given a choice, I would not trade in the experience of owning one pug or vw or even ford for the prospect of travelling the safer route.

You can read here how some owner despite tyre puncture, sweat and curse, still be able to laugh and joke a bout it (obvious enjoy the car ) albeit bitterweetly.

A conti car has characters, have some temperament, it is a bit like a beautiful girl fren, it will throws you tantrum sometime but in the end the reward is nice in a naughty way.

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wah , you very lucky, all the lady drivers in a pug 408 i have spotted (spotted three) have been aunties.

as long as there is proper QC control under surveillance of the principal by proper representatives of the principal in the local level, whether manufactured in China, assembled in M'sia (msian Pug 408) or made in India and imported to Msia (VW Polo Sedan), there would be certain level of QC observed by the principal to ensure sno quality /reliability issue would come back snapping back at them and tarnish the brand name in the process

A lot of stuff sold in Msia are either made and/or assembled in Thailand/China/Msia nowadays, and that does not only ring true for many popular models of cars from VW, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Suzuki,

We would also all know what kind of price we will need to pay for CBUs. For CKDs with lower price, you need to understand there would be some form of compromise here and there (usually only reflected in lesser thrown in features but not fundamental performance and standard features)

Anyway you have 5 year warranty. So no buyer remorse, at least for me so far.

good. peugeot careline ask me to report the white patch issue at any SC and allow them them to take photo and try for warnty claim for replacement. I have not gone there to do it yet...freaking busy with work lately. Please share how they did your claim

let's see now, CSL KL no good, Kota Damansara No good, Glenmarie no good, PJ Geuauto no good, Balakong no good. Go where then???

That is bloody well said. Thumb up!
Aviation ? No wonder u call urself SKYjack! What a coincident, we both use something that has to do with our profession as our "call sign" Double thumbs up!!

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 4 2013, 08:45 PM

off topic: but the new hybrid tech from PSA (in market 2016?)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013...-air-car-future

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Apr 5 2013, 10:33 AM

ouch now twice!

should also tell him about climate change