IMO, you can do without vengeance. The cycle is like 20-30 seconds RF & 1-3 seconds grenades. You should be able to spam RF 95% of your time.
For RF build, you should not run as often because the initial RF cost is high. Generally you should stay spamming RF until your hatred drained.
The more you run, the sooner you run out of hatred.
Moreover, with your EHP, you do not need to run, especially you're doing low MP.

SC = smokescreen?
You seldom use smokescreen. I think there are 3 occasions you'll need to use smokescreen, (1) Skip ice bombs (2) To avoid getting charged by the bulls (3) run from 3 stacks of fire+plague
The beauty of smokescreen is, you can keep your snapshotting when you're being attacked by ice bombs/bull's charge.

It is ok to use your existing gears. I can do fine with IC/Nat's cloak too. It's okay.
I just found melee damage reduction gears give me much better survivability, especially when I encounter a pack of mad elite bulls at fields of misery or 2-3 concurrent fatty's explosion at the weeping hollow @ MP10.
(Honestly speaking, I used to ignore melee damage reduction gears. I came to aware the goodness of melee reduction gears since I played Wizard. Wizard's passive skill/blur do give much better survivability for both CM/Archon builds).


I found bola has lower hatred generation. I prefer grenades over bola.
For my current build, I only need 1.5-2 seconds of grenades to have my hatred filled and I spend the next 22-27 seconds spamming RF.
Besides, grenades/gloom combo has excellent tanking capability.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Nov 8 2013, 01:04 AM

I really hope it does but it doesn't.
Reading from the damage on the screen, with cc, the damage range is 400K-500K. It dropped to 390-450K once BtT wore off.


This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Nov 8 2013, 11:02 AM

Throwing grenades will generate hatred, even if your grenades hit blank.

Yes, you can tank very well with RF build.
I have to tank any way when I play solo.

Quick glance, I'd suggest to use Manticore for RF build.

http://d3up.com/b/1204512
You have extremely low EHP.
To do MP10, I'd suggest to have 400K EHP.

2 gears you should replace for now.
1) Craft bracers
2) Drop SoJ and replace it with a rare ring (with AR/VIT/Armor).

P/S
You need to improve these
a) AR. You have very low AR. Only 275AR
b) Many of your gears do not have VIT. It's either you replace them (i.e. shoulder/glovers/belt/boots/amulet) or temporary put an amethyst on your helm.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Nov 13 2013, 02:36 PM

Congrats!!
After you've got all 5 classes to P100, I think you'll create another RF build DH.

As long as there is no nerf on gloom, DH will be OP.

You don't really need grenades for damage.
The main damage should come from Rapid fire.

Therefore, you should use grenades/tinkerer for hatred generation.
You need a bat companion. The hatred generation is good.
You don't need passive/grenadier. You can choose other skills such as perfectionist (less discp cost), Steady aim or cull the weak (both SA & CtW can be snapshotted).

RF will use a lot of hatred. Therefore, it is better to drop hatred skills like spike trap.
Firstly, it is more efficient without other hatred skills. Secondly, your snapshotting won't get interrupted.

For RF build, you don't want to interrupt snapshotting.
IMO, beside of gloom, 2 very awesome skills for RF build that won't interrupt snapshotting, that's smoke screen/lingering fog (for skip shit-moment like ice bombs) and caltrops/bait the trap (for more crits hence more damage. more discipline generation too through night stalker).
Of course you can choose other runes you like for smoke screen and caltrops.

Rapid Fire build, bombardment is a better rune, especially for normal farming where you'll be surrounded by mobs most of the time.
You don't need vault since you have smoke screen. You don't vault because you don't want to interrupt the snapshotting.

Good luck.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Dec 9 2013, 10:15 PM

For me, 2 builds can allow you to level up like bullet train @ lazy mode (less spamming of keys).
Archon wiz and RF DH.

As you're levelling DH, I'd suggest a RF build DH.
Farming for XP should be very easy.

RF build, you need a manti.

Higher IAS, sooner hatred drains.
You can try drop some IAS.
i.e. bracers / ammy / pants

Use hellring for more XP.
You don't need IAS on your hellring.
You can drop IAS from hellring too.

Good luck.

Do you find it has poor survivability?

You need to get used to it.
Remember, it can be snapshotted.
Therefore, you should not play like bola/spike trap build (spamming gloom + spike trap).
RF build doesn't require to keep spamming gloom. Get used to its snapshotting for now.

P/S
Puff Gloomx1 (yes, only 1 time) --> Rapidfire (don't release it until your hatred drained) --> Caltrops/Btt (spam your caltrops every 4-5 seconds so that you can have perma 10% cc boost) --> Don't move until your hatred drained --> Gloom --> Grenades (hatred generation) --> Rapidfire --> caltrops --> until your hatred drained --> repeat the cycle.
Test it on white mobs @ misery fields where you'll be surrounded by many mobs.
Test it on white mobs until you get used to it.
For elite fight, you need some experience for that. This is because some elemental attacks/knockback do interrupt snapshotting. So, you need to know WHEN to do the snapshotting.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Dec 10 2013, 12:49 AM

Yes. Try it.
It is one of the best builds in D3, I must say.
Excellent synergy of skills and there is no COOLDOWN skills.
Meaning you can spam your skills as long as you have hatred/discipline.

One major problem that I encountered initially was survivability too.
I found I couldn't get used to it because it is very different from bola build.
Just a note, I had higher EHP than yours at the time (400K EHP).

So, you should try increasing your EHP next (after you get comfortable with RF skill setup).

If you have budget constraint, just replace your pants with high DEX/VIT/AR/2 sockets.

If you have higher budget, go for 2 x Inna's (chest+pants) and 2 x Natalya's (ring+boots).
Inna's chest + pants can give you tons of VIT.
And Inna's chest + NAt's boots give you melee damage reduction. That's very good defensive attribute that protects you from elite and fatso's explosion + bull's charge @ misery fields.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Dec 10 2013, 01:13 AM

This skill setup should do it.

Nice
Next, you need to find your survivability against elites.
I'd suggest to have at least 400K EHP. 450K is ideal. The more the merrier.
Higher EHP would help you to manage your discipline well (for gloom and smokescreen).

You'll find more funs with higher EHP.
This is because you tend to not move alot as you don't want the snapshotting get interrupted.

Do take note that only LS of gloom is snapshot.
Damage mitigation only last for few seconds. But it's so OP.
Puff gloom when your hp drained by fire+poison+laser etc.
You should be hardly die.

You need some experience in handling elites.
You need to know when to use gloom or smokescreen.
And you need to manage your hatred and discipline.

Happy RFing!

+1
Lazy man build.
The whole point is to make XP farming easy.

I played most of popular builds for all chars.
For me, RF is the top build, right next to Archon, for lazy man.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Dec 11 2013, 07:39 PM

In most cases, if you do solo, you're surrounded by mobs unless you vault.
Even if you vault, you are still surrounded by mobs too.

Yes, Torment III seems to be the right spot for DH.

IMO, for DH in current patch, it is not how many damage you can dish out.
It's how many damage you can take.

The damage from elites @ T4 and above could be too hard to take.
Unless you have godly EHP like lksing78.

Found a build for DH @ T4.

The survivability has much improved with this build.
I don't need so many chicken-runs with this build.
And it can kill fast. With my current gear, I hit 950K-1.4million per hit.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demo...;Xfe!YYYcZZ

1) Gear
Manticore. For low drain of hatred.
-4 or -5 hatred for Chakram (either from Torso or Ring, generally)
Yes, -4 or -5 is enough. I'll explain more later.

2) Active Skills
Chakram/Boomerang, high damage, fast attack, lower blind spot, and best of all you can even hit elites behind the wall.
When you fun, you just spam your boomerang. The elites that chase you behind or behind the wall (i.e. keep) will be hit.

Shadow power/Gloom, basically you'll need it to fight RD elites. It comes it handy despite its impairment.

Entangling shot/Justice is serve. 2 main reasons to use this. Firstly, to slow the mobs down. Secondly, for hatred generation.
Let me explain why -4 or -5 hatred Chakram gear is enough.
This is because you are spending 50% of your time using Entangling shot to kill mobs and 50% of the time with Chakram.
So, each shot of Entangling Shot generates hatred. Therefore, you are virtually having infinite hatred even with just -4 or -5 hatred gear.
(Note: If you have -9 or -10 hatred for Chakram and feel like using them, please go ahead. Generally -4/-5 is enough and you can use hellring in your gear setup for more XP).

Caltrops/BTT, need I say more? The 10%CC is too good to turn down. And slowing down mobs is what you must have.

Smokescreen/Lingering Fog, for oh-shit moment

Companion/Bat, for more hatred and hatred generation. If you have -9 or -10 hatred for Chakram, I reckon you can replace Companion/Bat with other skill.

3) Passive skills
Night Stalker. You still need a lot of discipline to spam your shadow power & smokescreen.
Perfectionist. DH is toufu in current patch. You need high EHP. And lower discipline cost comes in handy.
Archery. For more damage. You can replace it with cull the weak since you're slowing down mobs with entangling shot most of the time.

Feel free to test and customize the skills that suit your current character.
Good luck and happy DH-ing.

P/S I replaced Chakram with Rapidfire/bombardment. I found it not as good as chakram, especially doing solo
P/S I had average EHP when I ran T4 with a ruby in my helm + a low grade hellring.
P/S Forgot to mention, I found Chakram has higher LOH proc coefficient than Rapidfire/bombardment.
P/S If you want higher damage or you have poison damage bonus gear(s), you can use Chakram/Serpentine. It gives me 1.4-2m per hit.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Mar 8 2014, 03:54 AM

For DH, what you need is Kridershot.
The rest is secondary.