If there is a nerf on Gloom, I think above skills are pretty much irrelevant (looking at current gears set up of DH).
Because most DH are worst than "glass canon" build without Gloom.

DH will need a 3-socket Manticore with 6% LS, just saying.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Oct 9 2013, 09:06 PM

I think it's possible if you have LS on your weapon.
With gloom, most DH don't stack LS anymore.
Not quite possible to do high MP without LS, IMO.

Need the EHP king of LYN lksing78 to comment if it's possible to run without gloom.
Most of DHs here only have 1/4 - 1/3 of lksing's EHP.

summoning DH sejati lksing78

For my build, 300K DPS bell-monk can kill faster than 400K DPS RF-demon hunter.
The advantage of RF demon hunter is snapshotting, where monk can't do for now.

You current EHP is good enough for MP8.
Push for higher DPS and EHP if you want to do higher MP.

Yes, beside of the lazy mode, there are many advantages of stacking high EHP.

High EHP gives you flexibility in having various builds.
Some builds require higher EHP.

You can have flexibility in choosing weapons too.
If you have low EHP, you can survive @ MP10 with calamity but not manticore.
If you have high EHP, you can use both calamity and manticore just fine.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Oct 23 2013, 02:59 AM

Survivability 1st.

Refer to lksing78
"How much DPS do you do when you're dead?"
-Baiana#1278

You can get up to 8% cc bonus for RF from the quiver.
You may look into that too.

With that tanking capability, you can perma RF all the way.

Besides, you can upgrade your legacy Nat set.
You don't need discipline generation as you don't need to spam Gloom any more since RF can snapshot.

RF - Rapid fire.
You can build a perma-RF DH now.

You still need gloom. However you don't need to spam gloom any more.
You activate your gloom and it will be snapshot until you terminate your RF.

P/S You can drop legacy nat set as you don't need so many discipline since you don't spam gloom.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Oct 25 2013, 11:39 AM

Viable build. Pretty standard for me.

IAS is not very important, IMO.
I have 2.087 attack speed. Hatred is well managed. I could consistently spam RF 95% of the time.

You have quite low EHP.
Just a few suggestions.
Drop your Inna's set (chest armor and pants).
Inna's pants have sucky EHP. Big No-No for me.
Replace your Inna's pants. Get a rare pants with 180+ DEX / 250+ VIT / 70+ AR / 2 sockets. You'll get a big boost of EHP.
Replace your Inna's chest armor with Natalya's cloak so that you'll get 130 DEX bonus.
Drop your hellring or rare ring and replace it with Nat's ring. If you need more XP bonus, put a ruby on your helm.
Drop your Nat's helm and replace it with Mempo with CC. The DPS and EHP of mempo are too good to turn down.

Increasing your EHP will allow you to completely drop Sentry/GT.

Skills.
Passive/Vengeance is not necessary. I'd prefer more damage from archery/steady aim (steady aim can be snapshot by RF).
Active/Vault. I think you can use smokescreen/LF instead. Skill like Vault would terminate the snapshot. However, skill like Smoke Screen/LF don't interrupt snapshot. Based on my current play, I think I only need to vault when there are ice bombs. Smokescreen would counter ice bombs/frozen attack just fine while I can keep my snapshot.
Active/Sentry. If you can free one slot from Sentry/GT, you can use skill like MoD/ME. You get to have more damage on the target + hatred generation. You'll find hatred doesn't drain fast.

Yes, EHP is important for RF build.

Hiding behind me won't help.
'Cos you'll be the last man standing anyway.

Barbs and wiz need to hit many targets + kill fast to keep perma WoTB/Archon.

How do you tell they are AFKers? This I can't comprehend. Please enlighten us.

Now I have a better picture.
AFKers are not rushers.
IMO, AFKers should be kicked out anyway.

For those rushers, I think it's more of "ethical" issue.
They should come back and clear the mobs.
Yes, as lksing78 said, some look for elites to kill. It's more of "ethical" issue for me.

That's public game. You have little control on the players that join the game.
Try to play among friends then.

The current most annoying players that I find is, those pop in from nowhere and see if you have Decaying Crypt in your game.
They will leave the game immediately once they find there's no Decaying Crypt at Fields of Misery.

Almost every gear can be replaced. And they are easily replaced.
Go find gears at AH.

If you want to do high MP, suggest you to keep your EHP at 400K (d3up).

Gears at the all time low price now.
Grab some before AH closes down.

http://d3up.com/b/1192659#gear

Bombardment is the best.
Forget about high velocity rune as the proc rate for pierce is pretty low (if you compare it to Wiz' archon).

Yes, you'll need higher AR or EHP for RF build.

Drop passive/vengeance. You don't really need it.
Use dps boost skill instead, steady aim / archery / cull the weak.

Try replace vault with smoke screen/LF. The benefit of using it smoke screen is your snapshotting will not be interrupted.
Try replace MoD with calstrops/BtT. The benefit of using it is it slows down mobs (better chance to dodge? Fewer hits from mobs?) + higher damage + higher generation of discipline.


P/S
I use Nat's ring/cloak + IceClimbers for bola/spike trap build.
I use Nat's ring/boots + Inna's chest/pants for RF build.
I found 10-12% melee damage reduction is very important for RF as it mitigates damage from explosions (fatty & elites)/arcane sentry.
This is especially you'll unlikely move around with RF build as you don't want to interrupt your snapshotting.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Nov 7 2013, 12:25 PM

It is indeed peeing.
It will take times to get used to that "peeing" skill.

Good thing about RF is, you can farm/level up in lazy mode.
You don't need to spam gloom as frequent as other builds.

Yes, both Inna's chest & pants are pretty cheap now.