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SUS2890
post Dec 19 2012, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 19 2012, 05:17 PM)
Agreed. In long term it adds a hell more EDPS as you can have 7 tornados out each with 2% more damage. It scales...

@Moba..was wondering since you got a monk and a barb...which toon do you prefer? U dont have to answer if you dont want to...just curious cause I might be tempted to build a HoTA barb just for the lulz...

@2890..damn you got lots of golds to splash...me bet either WKL comes in from 300M onwards?
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Nah is 190-230m range la. Well, i hit jackpot few days ago. So now, can easily roll a new char no problem.

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post Dec 19 2012, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 19 2012, 05:39 PM)
Ahah..your 250Dex mempo sold for 100m??? lol..

Thats decent priced WKL, but let it be known now least if you are not warned..WKL = cookie cutter build meaning it ties you to FoT + SW/cyclone build. If you depart fromt his cookie cutter build....the WKL become a mediocre weapon.

But still I love my WKL to death..hence still sticking to it even though I had brief moments thinking of selling it. A 928 DPS 6/20 893LoH OS WKL...
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lol. 100m is jackpot to you? Nah, ammy went for 1.1 ish bil after tax. That's jackpot.

LS > LOH =D
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post Dec 19 2012, 10:05 PM

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Any comment? Am i doing anything wrong??

Passives: STI, Resolve and Transcendence.




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post Dec 19 2012, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 19 2012, 10:27 PM)
Tempest Rush: Northern Breeze?

Tailwind too fast to pick up gold? I should try it too.

Your pickup radius is incredible.

Health Link Elites is bug at the moment...

Thanks for the video...

I got something idea to improve my Tempest Rush now...


Added on December 19, 2012, 10:28 pm

131k DPS with WKL??? That's crazy!

Normally I would say 2.7 LS without LoH is not enough... but with that damage.... you tell me!
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but i die easily.. Some dude told me you need LS on both weps if u go DW. if not go skorn. So?? any tips?
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post Dec 19 2012, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 19 2012, 10:42 PM)
My my I am impressed..pretty awesome monk there..and great to see you ditched owe

Only quibble I have would be the low armor, try pushing it up to 5k. Kinda weird to see purp gems as well lol..me thinks you can drop the vit gems from the depth diggers and swap with emerald.


Added on December 19, 2012, 10:45 pm
Only at high mp, you got lpps so I would recommend getting a inna helm with at least 50 lpps with ar. You don't need the asi so much since you got fast weapons diminishing returns bro ...
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well i'm wearing most of my DH gears so didn't need OWE.

I don't think 2.7LS is enough. Man, don't tell me i'm gonna be forced into using a LS EF. How do u guys deal with RD mobs?
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(qicquser @ Dec 19 2012, 11:54 PM)
I never had any issues with RD mobs without LS. 2k Loh + 500 life regen is enough to deal with RD.
But sometimes there are like 5,6,7 (horde minions) of them with RD and I try to burst them down with FitL + MOC, I got some damage back. The rest of the time is alright.
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i can't deal with RD even on MP5. Can you masters advice me please??

My monk is even weaker than my DH when dealing with RD. ANy ideas?

I have 558 AR and 2.7 LS.

Should i get more HP? more AR?

Some monk friend told me the best is to stack DPS so more LS in return. Good idea??
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:54 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 01:50 AM)
you have double my dps and 0.4% more LS. maybe learn to kite around and not just left click and pray everything will be alright?
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kite? LOL.

You do know on high MP you can't really kite don't you? oh wait, u've not played there yet. Guess you won't know then.
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 01:55 AM)

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Quazacolt, get more game time and maybe some knowledge before you start posting nonsense will ya?
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 01:58 AM)
you said you cant deal with RD on mp5, im dealing with RD on mp5 with basically less than what your gear gives you. what gives? you're the expert right? you tell me then.
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LOL.

Do u know how RD works?

You have half my DPS and almost identical LS, ofc u won't have a problem with RD.
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 02:02 AM)
i take down elites in a serenity cycle or 2. you got twice my dps, i would assume you'd kill an elite in just a serenity cycle. you DO know how serenity works, right?
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Apparently what another fellow monk told me about you is right. You just read stuff and copy paste here.

First, 60k DPS monk start babbling he has no problem with RD. How about i drop my weapons and play with 10k DPS. I'm pretty sure i won't have any problems either.

Serenity? So you going to build a monk that's serenity dependent? EVery time a RD pack comes, pop serenity and hope to kill them within one cycle? And if u play MP 8 and above and don't kill within one cycle, what you gonna do? run away and wait till serenity is being refreshed and fight again? Please, get some game time.

I rolled this monk so i could not just play my DH on high MP. It gets boring.


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post Dec 20 2012, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 02:28 AM)
lets get this straight:
does monsters continue to reflect damage when they are dead? i'm going to say no.

if i can kill an elite pack within a serenity cycle or 2, i'm sure someone with more than double my damage can do so better.

and um, i believe even high end geared monks still have serenity for one reason or another. having a skill available for usage and claims to not use it because apparently that makes your monk "serenity dependent" is just blatant arrogance. it's no different than rolling a barbarian and not war cry because it gives you free resist and armor and that is a huge advantage or call it an exploit if you will!

i mean, really, do you honestly think higher mp actually do require higher skill with your 6 buttons and 3 passives and i actually do need higher game time? you disappoint me man.

did things like getting higher LS (like some monks around here harp how it's a REQUIREMENT to have 5% LS or 2k LoH or something absurd.) or LoH or EHP (like how people mentioned earlier on getting more armor) occurred to you? i mean yea having earlier said "requirements" may seem absurd in low mp's, however maybe thats what high mp require and all you can do is getting it.

the game is a gear check, and gear comes with either game time, luck or mastercard. there is nothing skillful around it and having higher game time wouldn't change that. if you're gonna harp around that, i'm done with you.
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Who's talking about dead monsters doing RD? i'm talking during the fight. And it gets better. I'll quote here. Here goes.

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if i can kill an elite pack within a serenity cycle or 2, i'm sure someone with more than double my damage can do so better.

This is why you need more game time.

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having a skill available for usage and claims to not use it because apparently that makes your monk "serenity dependent" is just blatant arrogance.


I did not claim that i won't use it so don't put such words into my mouth. My point was i do not want to be like you popping serenity every time i encounter an elite pack. I'm new to my monk and i'm trying to get the figures on AR, LS, HP and Armor right.

More game time /= more skill. Never said that. I've always maintain that D3 requires close to zero skill to play. Just watch how the barbs play. Mashing buttons even when that skill is on cool down. When i say more game time, i meant by playing more, you'll get to understand the game better. For example, paranoid told me that 500 AR is enough but she said that base on how her monk is being geared. I geared exceeding that figure and realize 500 ain't enough. So this are the things that you'll only know by playing more. Not just theory crafting all the time.

oh so now you tell me to get more LS/EHP/LOH, what about your stupid idea of kiting? Dude, you've yet to play higher MP and have no idea how RD works on higher MP for players with higher DPS. So, don't tell me to kite. Again, i've a paragon level 86 DH and i know how important EHP is. I have a clear idea on how much EHP is needed for a DH but not so for a monk. Hence, i'm asking and the reply i got was to KITE. EPIC!

Stop milking the skill thing okay? Please. DOn't try to divert this to another direction. The main problem was when you started telling me to KITE. By saying that, it just shows how little you know.

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post Dec 20 2012, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 03:01 AM)
i mean hell, you've never even seen me play and you already claim that i pop serenity every time i encounter an elite pack? why are you accusing me of putting words into your mouth when you're of no different?

hell, you're the one having problems with RD on mp5, not me. but since you can't get over your high horse of "play time" and "kite", then like i said, i'm done with you.

i believe other people can advise you just as well if not better than i am since they have way more play time than i am smile.gif
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Now you start looking into the small matters eh. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

How am i putting words into your mouth again? Just because i assumed you pop serenity every time when you called me arrogant for not wanting to be serenity dependent. Wow, so i made a wrong assumption. Big deal.

Ofc u're not having problems with RD on MP5, u have 60k DPS.

High horse of "play time" ? Haha.. Quazacolt, c'mon you can do better than that. I've seen you doing better.

Kite? What about it? It was your brilliant idea anyways. How is it related to me again?

I'm done with you - EPIC COUNTER. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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i believe other people can advise you just as well if not better than i am since they have way more play time than i am smile.gif

Well, at least we agree on something since most of your responses since V2 (or since i started reading the monk thread) has been filled with sarcasm.
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:53 PM

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Hey fellow monks, thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE comments. You know who you are!

p.s: Let's all try kiting at high MP. Sounds fun!


Added on December 20, 2012, 1:57 pm
QUOTE(paranoid @ Dec 20 2012, 10:10 AM)
higher dps against rd is indeed painful.
players with dps often kill themselves accidentally, i'm refering to mp9-10 elites. especially for monks, those mini cyclones can turn on you.

with the same LS, and difference in dps, it doesnt necessary meant higher dps is better, everybody knows RD is a pain in the ass, look at blizzard forum, RD needs to be fixed. with huge amount of dps, it's always painful with the puny amount of lilfesteal you could get.

when a player go against RD in mp9-mp10, the amount of dps and LS they carry with them, they will know why RD is painful. with lower dps you hardly can feel it yet. you dont scale ur survivability point blank just like that.
on the monk build @2890,
hmm.. my monk's a noob compared to yours but i dont know why i dont have that terrible problem for rd.
okay one thing, i myself dont like to depend on serenity and kite everytime i deal with elites. what i do is run the map, lure as many mobs so i have a pack of 4 RD elites and fullscreen of other white mobs. those baby cyclones work wonders.

dont recall whether RD can be dodged, i've read different sources on that but im not sure so not gonna mention any, apart from RD elites. generally, ur amethyst macam too many, i'd prefer emeralds. high dex = high dodge = higher dps also. 40k hp seems enough for me already.
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Me too!

I bought a cheap EF for 10mil. Hopefully LS on both weapons gonna work.

p.s: Sold my tyrael. Changing chest


Added on December 20, 2012, 1:59 pmAnd btw, to the person who said RD deals 25% damage back, LOL. Is 10 percent actually.

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post Dec 20 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Dec 20 2012, 02:02 PM)
EF is good, EF is good, LS+ what stats you bought the EF?

prepare to FOT-tele-chase mobs biggrin.gif
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Meh, crappy EF la. 1.2K DPS, some DEX, no OS, and 2.7 LS i think.
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post Dec 20 2012, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 20 2012, 02:58 PM)
OK. I just address on the point of RD scales.

In short, yes it scales. It scales based on your DPS..i.e if you hit harder the RD is higher.

The reason you dont see the difference is that if you equip a LS weapon, you get the same mitigation factor no matter what is your DPS, less DPS means less LS but also less RD reflected. Higher DPS means more LS but more RD refelcted. The ratio stays the same hence, it makes no difference in respect of RD if you have 100k DPS with 3% LS or 200k DPS with 3% LS.

As for LoH, it totally the opposite. You Loh is based on per hit and not your DPS. Hence, when your DPS goes higher, the effective life sustain against RD is lower for the simple reason that LoH dosnt scale. Therefore, higer DPS means higer reflect but sustain is the same.

This is another reason why LS (as of now) is superior to LoH. However, in my humble opinion, is wont be wise to go all LS, in view of PVP. We still dont know the mechanics for PvP yet, but assuming based on PvE standards, LS might not be very effective in view that most toons have 90% mitigation therefore only 10% of effective damage will be dealt. LS steals from effective damage, hence probably you will get x% of the LS from the 10% only.
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Dude, it does not work like that. 100k DPS with 3% LS leeches you 3k life but RD gives you 10k damage back. 200k DPS with 3% LS leeches you 6k life but RD gives you 20k damage back. Is not as simple as you pointed out. I'm too lazy to elaborate.

Gladfly, ur understanding is slightly off man.

RD aside, do u think blackthrone pants + chest is good for monks???

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post Dec 20 2012, 03:48 PM

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I think that's what i meant because the LS is base on the damage you are dealing. Right?

But the mechanics here is that RD first then LS so high DPS gonna suffer more because of that. RD is like a ticking bomb for high DPS char.

oh btw, that gear bonus +10% is SoJ bonus right? How do you calculate WKL lightning skill bonus?

p.s: Skorn that good meh???

p.s.s: But merging BT and Inna's pants is kinda bad i think. You get bonus from neither parts.

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post Dec 20 2012, 03:51 PM

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^ again. Not looking at the HP but EHP. I'm pretty sure we all have more than 200k EHP here.
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post Dec 20 2012, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(qicquser @ Dec 20 2012, 03:53 PM)
Why all the numbers guys?
Get more AR and Armor. That'll do the job.

@2890
try inna pants with belt to get the dex bonus. and bt chest for the huge vit
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I have an insane TWH belt that i just can't drop. Man, don't tell me i have to drop mempo or TWH meh..

C'mon monk gurus, any more feedback??
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QUOTE(sexbomb @ Dec 20 2012, 03:57 PM)
alamak got parasite la inside monk thread.
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idiot...
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post Dec 20 2012, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 20 2012, 04:11 PM)
@2890..I dont think I am wrong about the compuation of RD. Do correct me if I am wrong.

Anyways, back to your toon, I would drop the depths but you will lose a lot of AR on that. DPS wise, Inna Temperance is hard to beat. Since you hit jackpot, perhaps an Inna Temprance with AR? Kacinnnnnggg!!

Chest, some say tal rasha is great..but I have to agree with most to say Blackthorns are probably BiS for the high AR and dex/vit roll best bang for the buck. If you really want to chase DPS, then mempo has to have CC, otherwise an Inna Radiance with 6% CC + 14% FoT bonus will smash it to bits. Tip 14% FoT >9% ASI> 14% SW bonus.

Keep the TWH la...I would trade a kidney for the TWH (virtual one la of course) ..lulz

IMHO, best gears for a monk

Innas: S.Stone + Pants
Nats:- Standard ring+boots
Chest:- BT
Belt: TWH

Yellow ..yellow for the rest. BiS gloves/bracers are always rares so too are jewelries.
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Screw the RD math la. I headache also.

Inna Temperance with AR or VIT better??

My mempo has 3.5cc. So is it better to get a s.stone with FoT or just stick to the mempo? My friends are using a S.stone with SW on it.

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