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wanvadder
post Apr 26 2013, 03:56 AM

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Lawatan PAT ke OP PASIR dan OP Daulat

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post Apr 26 2013, 04:23 AM

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Tragedi 26 April 1976

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HUT Tragedi NURI FM1715 , Pada 26 APRIL 1976, Operasi 'KOTA' mencatat sejarah hitam apabila sebuah helikopter Nuri Tentera Udara Di Raja Malaysia (TUDM) yang membawa 11 Pegawai dan anggota pasukan keselamatan jatuh ditembak akibat angkara pengganas komunis pada lebih kurang pukul 10.00 hingga 10.30 pagi di Hutan Simpan Ulu Muda, Gubir, Kedah. Helikopter tersebut dalam perjalanan ke pos-pos tentera di perbatasan Malaysia-Thailand terbakar dan mengorbankan kesemua pegawai dan anggota termasuk juruterbang.

Perajurit yang terkorban ialah
Lt (U) Chung Ming Teck PTU, #10 Skn, Kapten pesawat
Lt (U) Wan Munsiff bin Wan Salim KPK, #10 Skn, Co-pilot
Sjn Leong Yee Heng PTU, #10 Skn, AQM
Kapt (U) Choo Yeok Boo PGB, #7 Skn (Kapten)
Kapt (U) Mustapha Kamal bin Mohamad Shafie KPK, #7 Skn (Co-pilot)
Mej Haris bin Rejab, MMLO Haadyai
Kapt Sulaiman bin Abdullah, 6 Bde
Lt Ibrahim bin Zakaria, 3 RAMD
Sjn Kamis bin Dolmat, 3 RAMD
L/Kpl Kamarulzaman bin Zakaria, X Sqn RGK
L/Kpl Suandi bin Saim, X Sqn RGK

Sekali tengok member aku, cousin dia L/Kpl Suandi bin Saim tu. Patutnya waktu tu, bukan dia yang naik helicopter, tapi sebab orang yang asalnya dipanggil tak habis bersihkan lagi M16 dia, so dia yang pegi naik atas. Tak sangka ajal dia kat situ.

Al-Fatihah and RIP.

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Apr 26 2013, 04:23 AM)
Tragedi 26 April 1976

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HUT Tragedi NURI FM1715 , Pada 26 APRIL 1976, Operasi 'KOTA' mencatat sejarah hitam apabila sebuah helikopter Nuri Tentera Udara Di Raja Malaysia (TUDM) yang membawa 11 Pegawai dan anggota pasukan keselamatan jatuh ditembak akibat angkara pengganas komunis pada lebih kurang pukul 10.00 hingga 10.30 pagi di Hutan Simpan Ulu Muda, Gubir, Kedah. Helikopter tersebut dalam perjalanan ke pos-pos tentera di perbatasan Malaysia-Thailand terbakar dan mengorbankan kesemua pegawai dan anggota termasuk juruterbang.

Perajurit yang terkorban ialah
Lt (U) Chung Ming Teck PTU, #10 Skn, Kapten pesawat
Lt (U) Wan Munsiff bin Wan Salim KPK, #10 Skn, Co-pilot
Sjn Leong Yee Heng PTU, #10 Skn, AQM
Kapt (U) Choo Yeok Boo PGB, #7 Skn (Kapten)
Kapt (U) Mustapha Kamal bin Mohamad Shafie KPK, #7 Skn (Co-pilot)
Mej Haris bin Rejab, MMLO Haadyai
Kapt Sulaiman bin Abdullah, 6 Bde
Lt Ibrahim bin Zakaria, 3 RAMD
Sjn Kamis bin Dolmat, 3 RAMD
L/Kpl Kamarulzaman bin Zakaria, X Sqn RGK
L/Kpl Suandi bin Saim, X Sqn RGK

Sekali tengok member aku, cousin dia L/Kpl Suandi bin Saim tu. Patutnya waktu tu, bukan dia yang naik helicopter, tapi sebab orang yang asalnya dipanggil tak habis bersihkan lagi M16 dia, so dia yang pegi naik atas. Tak sangka ajal dia kat situ.

Al-Fatihah and RIP.
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Ada 3 kawan bapak aku dalam nih, 1 pilot Choo Yoek Boo tu dan senior dia Mej Haris
Al Fatihah dan RIP
37 sudah, namun pengorban mereka tak akan dilupakan
Nuri yang penuh dengan minyak serta penuh dengan bahan letupan untuk digunakan untuk meletupkan terowong
Jatuh apa bila terkena 40mm grenade dari launcher

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post Apr 26 2013, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 26 2013, 08:13 AM)
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Al Fatihah dan RIP
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 26 2013, 01:38 AM)
lol..its like clothes fashion trend really..people see us wearing new dress...they jelly and also wants to get better dress than us..haha  biggrin.gif
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the singaporeans already had MBTs b4 this.
but officially it doesn't exist... whistling.gif
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post Apr 26 2013, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(noavatar @ Apr 25 2013, 10:16 PM)
T-90 weigh about 47.5 tonnes ... wonder how Leopard 2 series would be doing on soft wet ground ... about 62-63 tonnes
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Even in thick mud a convoy of supply truck would be more bogged down than those MBT's as the MBT's has a lower ground pressure....but sometimes u just can't beat mother nature. tongue.gif

QUOTE(noavatar @ Apr 25 2013, 11:28 PM)
Agreed...just that heavy mbt will have some limit as to terrains and ground conditions....and this will reflect to their role in the overall doctrine....sure they need the mbt ...after all their neighbours already have them....Just my two cents
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It's all depend on the strategy. A deployment of MBT's should be more likes this: biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 26 2013, 01:30 AM)
their excessive movement in jungle will expose themselves easily. might even expose were their front line is.
give enemy an idea how to counter it easily.
I would just bombard the whole areas with mortar or artillery.
modern ATGM like kornet-e or TOW is so deadly. jungle is a good place to hide those ATGM teams.
were the MBT were optic were greatly restricted by tree.
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In every threats there will always be a counter-threats and so on....a never ending story....

QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 26 2013, 01:45 AM)
Malaysia put a limit to weight requirement on our MBT.
I wish we would choose t-90 instead.
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Wasn't the T-90 supposed to be the 1st chose of the evaluation? The Polish arrmy plans to retire all of it's PT-91's & T-72's by the year 2020 to be replace by the Leopard 2's.

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 26 2013, 01:38 AM)
lol..its like clothes fashion trend really..people see us wearing new dress...they jelly and also wants to get better dress than us..haha  biggrin.gif
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The Royal Thai Army already operates 178 Unit M60A3 Patton tank. It was reported that the RTA weren't happy with the purchase of the T-84 OPLOT.

RTA M60A3 Patton tank:

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post Apr 26 2013, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 26 2013, 09:35 AM)
It's all depend on the strategy. A deployment of MBT's should be more likes this:  biggrin.gif

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don't forget SPH support from far back & IFV full of infantries following behind MBTs
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:54 AM)
don't forget SPH support from far back & IFV full of infantries following behind MBTs
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Yes. And don'f forget also cleanse the area first with aerial bombardment.
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German engineering is at their finest.

Thats why there are more export on leopard compare to challenger/abram/T-series
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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Apr 26 2013, 10:16 AM)
German engineering is at their finest.

Thats why there are more export on leopard compare to challenger/abram/T-series
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it's because they built too many during cold war to counter a tank invasion from the USSR that never happened.
most of those being sold are 2a4 variants from the 80s/90s. selling cheap for like usd 2 million/sebiji.

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 26 2013, 10:12 AM)
Yes. And don'f forget also cleanse the area first with aerial bombardment.
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Just adding a little note here.....there were some stratergists, and even some militaries, who predicted the days of the main battle tank (MBT) were numbered. A classic example is Canada, which decided to retire its tank fleet and instead rely on LAV III 8x8 armoured vehicles. A Mobile Gun System (MGS) variant armed with a 105mm gun was to take on the ‘quasi-tank’ role.
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QUOTE(noavatar @ Apr 26 2013, 11:15 AM)
Just adding a little note here.....there were some stratergists, and even some militaries, who predicted the days of the main battle tank (MBT) were numbered. A classic example is Canada, which decided to retire its tank fleet and instead rely on LAV III 8x8 armoured vehicles. A Mobile Gun System (MGS) variant armed with a 105mm gun was to take on the ‘quasi-tank’ role.
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The Canadian sent their Leopard 2A6M to Afghanistan and have recently upgraded their 2A4. Never heard the Canadian to retire their Leopard 2's. Maybe they are phasing out their old Leopard C2 tank. And that's a different tank.

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“The heavily protected direct fire capability of a main battle tank is an invaluable tool in the arsenal of any military. The intensity of recent conflicts in Central Asia and the Middle East has shown western militaries that tanks provide protection that cannot be matched by more lightly armored wheeled vehicles… [Canada's existing Leopard C2/1A5] tanks have also provided the Canadian Forces (CF) with the capability to travel to locations that would otherwise be inaccessible to wheeled light armoured vehicles, including Taliban defensive positions.”

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/tanks-...r-canada-03208/


Even the US Marines sent their M1A1 Abrams tanks to Afghanistan. As a lot of the Army Stryker's were hit badly by IED's.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/...anks/index.html

A new upgraded Canadian Leopard 2A4:

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post Apr 26 2013, 12:01 PM

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Otokar to produce armored vehicles for security forces



ISTANBUL- Hürriyet Daily News



Turkish defense and civil industry firm Otokar has inked an agreement to provide tactical armored vehicles to the security forces amid the government’s problems with BMC, which promised to deliver Kirpi armored carriers but has been unable to deliver orders on time.

Otokar said yesterday that it planned to deliver the order, which is worth 82 million Turkish Liras, in 2013. The agreement encompasses the provision of various types of tactical wheeled armored vehicles.

Turkey’s defense procurement body, the Turkish Defense Industry Undersecretariat, gave BMC a one-month deadline on March 20 to deliver 175 Kirpis and 105 trucks that the company has failed to deliver thus far due to financial problems.

Levent Şenel, the head of the Defense Industry Undersecretariat’s land vehicles department, had said Turkey was not dependent on BMC for developing such vehicles and that the body could easily consider other options, including Otokar, for the construction of the carriers if the problems persisted.

“ During the tender process, we chose the Kirpi on the basis of its advantages but Otokar went on to create its own prototype. After testing the first one, it also produced another one in a different size. If we want to buy a ready-made one, there is a proper vehicle available .”

He said in addition to Otokar, FNNS was another company that could also develop this kind of vehicle. The National Defense Ministry had signed a deal in 2009 with BMC to produce 468 Kirpis and trucks in a range of sizes, to be delivered by the end of 2012. BMC is currently 175 armored carriers and 105 2.5-ton-capacity trucks behind the agreed schedule. Along with the military, police forces are also waiting for 468 Kirpi with past-due delivery dates.

The company has been in a tight squeeze since last May, when the company first failed to pay salaries on time, and production at BMC factories have halted several times in the intervening period. As a last resort, unpaid workers have protested against the company by marching to Ankara and Istanbul from İzmir, where BMC production is located.



Otokar Kaya 1 MRAP


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Otokar Kaya 2 MRAP


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Otokar Kale MRAP


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China To Build A Larger 2nd Aircraft Carrier



April 24, 2013 18:19 PM



BEIJING, April 24 (Bernama) -- China will build a bigger aircraft carrier which could carry more fighters, said a senior officer with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy here, Tuesday.

" The next aircraft carrier we need will be larger and carry more fighters, " Xinhua news agency quoted Song Xue, deputy chief of staff of the PLA Navy as saying.

He revealed that China's future carrier group will be composed of carrier, destroyers, frigates, submarines and supply ship.

However, Song denied the accuracy of some foreign media reports on China's building new aircraft carriers in Shanghai without further elaboration.

Currently, China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, was refitted based on a Russian-made unfinished carrier and delivered to the Navy on Sept 25, 2012.

The Liaoning has a full displacement of more than 50,000 tonnes and it could carry about 30 fixed-wing aircraft.

Song said the J-15 still needed a lot more trial tests before operating on the carrier, and there would be more J-15 fighters as the Navy conducted more test flights.

More than one thousand Chinese enterprises have participated in the construction and refitting work of the Liaoning, he said.

Song promised that the Navy will invite foreign military attaches to visit the Liaoning.



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China is really great at reverse engineering..give them 1 asset, & wait for them to create a copy within short period of time

They got only 1 used aircraft carrier, & they're now ready to create a copy
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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 26 2013, 11:42 AM)
The Canadian sent their Leopard 2A6M to Afghanistan and have recently upgraded their 2A4. Never heard the Canadian to retire their Leopard 2's. Maybe they are phasing out their old Leopard C2 tank. And that's a different tank.
Even the US Marines sent their M1A1 Abrams tanks to Afghanistan. As a lot of the Army Stryker's were hit badly by IED's.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/...anks/index.html

A new upgraded Canadian Leopard 2A4:

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FYI...I am not against MBTs...we need them....they provide precision direct fire capability...especially to destroy obstacles protecting and hiding insurgents...protecting strategic facilities...I am happy to note that we have the right balance of MBTs and eight-wheel-drive Mobile Gun System

PS. I hope we consider getting some Leopard 2 PSO

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for a time being there's no efficiently light armour protection for MBT..all the superb armour protection material for current technology are obviously, HEAVY..& that affect the performance of most MBTs, limiting their role, making some people thought MBT are a burden & outdated

Type-10 might give a glance of future MBT development that is protected with superbly reliable lightweight armour..it is heavily armoured but only weighted at 48 tonnes max (at least on paper it says so), much lighter than abrams or leopard 2

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Apr 26 2013, 12:33 PM)
for a time being there's no efficiently light armour protection for MBT..all the superb armour protection material for current technology are obviously, HEAVY..& that affect the performance of most MBTs, limiting their role, making some people thought MBT are a burden & outdated

Type-10 might give a glance of future MBT development that is protected with superbly reliable lightweight armour..it is heavily armoured but only weighted at 48 tonnes max (at least on paper it says so), much lighter than abrams or leopard 2
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Leopard 2 PSO as our urban tank variant
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Its Captas and Smart S for LCS/Laksamana class
Malaysian Defence, April 22, 2013


SHAH ALAM: It has now been confirmed that the Thales Captas towed array sonar and Smart S radar have been selected for the LCS/Laksamana class.

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BHIC Bhd announced this today:

KUALA LUMPUR: Boustead Heavy Industries Corp. Bhd (BHIC) has accepted two contracts from Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn Bhd (BNS) for two projects under the littoral combat ships programme.

BHIC said on Monday its sub-subsidiary, Contraves Advanced Devices Sdn Bhd had accepted the contracts from BNS for the programme which will be carried out over 10 years.

The first contract is for the Thales underwater systems CAPTAS towed array sonar complete with simulators valued at RM287.02mil.

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The second is the Thales Nederland BV SMART-S main surveillance radar with simulators worth RM227.97mil.

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There is no word whether its the Captas 2 or 4 has been selected but the 4 is the most prolific one in service today including for the US LCS. Another interesting thing about the contracts is that they include simulators which will of course aid training for the crew. Noteworthy is also the price of the radar which is to me looks decent enough to replace those on the Kedah class.

Coming fast on the heels of the confirmation of the 57mm gun, hopefully, this will signal the start of the project.

Source : Malaysian Defence

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CAPTAS-4 Variable depth sonar

Low Frequency Active and Passive Variable Depth Sonar for Large Platform

An unrivalled performance against quiet submarines to achieve any anti-submarine warfare missions including escort, area sanitization and own force protection.

Ultra long range
Capable of very large detection in every environmental condition.
Reduced operator workload
The only large VDS to provide automated "hands free" deployment and recovery procedures.
The lowest operating and training manpower for this class of system.
Cooperative asset
Very accurate target positioning to prosecute and engage distant submarines with airborne assets.
Multi-static capability with virtually all low frequency sonar in operation world-wide.
Embedded torpedo defence
Permanent self defence capability
Mammals safe
Adjustable source level & noise monitoring for sea mammal protection.
Low Life Cycle Cost
Large installed base and continuous evolutions for Inherent customer’s long term support.

OPERATIONAL HIGHLIGHTS
A rugged design for sea operations which allows the ASW units to transmit and receive at the right depth with two separate arrays and maximize the detection of extremely quiet submarines. The system is designed to independently deploy the arrays at optimum depth to continuously survey 360 degrees with a well covered water column, thus overcoming harsh propagation conditions and surface-layer problems inherent to Hull-Mounted Sonar.

Smart-S Mk2 3D medium to long range surveillance radar

SMART-S Mk2, Thales’s latest 3D multibeam radar, operates in S-band and is optimised for medium-to-long-range surveillance and target designation in littoral environments.

The latter consisting of a mix of sea, land, islands, coastal rains and thunderstorms and a multiple of radar targets including small surface targets, helicopters and anti-ship missiles. Furthermore, SMART-S Mk2 is designed to match the full performance of surface to air missiles (SAM).

SMART-S Mk2 is extremely suitable as the main air and surface surveillance radar in a one radar concept for light frigates, corvettes and ships such as Landing Platform Docks (LPD). With its 2 main modes, 250-km range, special helicopter mode, surface fire channels, easy installation, high reliability and easy maintainability, SMART-S Mk2 is again a step forward in Thales’s radar development.




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did they try to built a tank with only the steel as the frame and kevlar layers for the armor? wait..that might not work..can stop bullets yea..but can't stop those missiles and AT shells..the challenge is the material..what material is so strong and light in this world..?

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