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post Apr 26 2013, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 26 2013, 01:09 PM)
did they try to built a tank with only the steel as the frame and kevlar layers for the armor? wait..that might not work..can stop bullets yea..but can't stop those missiles and AT shells..the challenge is the material..what material is so strong and light in this world..?
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Composite armour consisting of layers of two or more materials with different properties for example steel alloy and ceramics

Tungsten carbide is approximately three times stiffer than steel and is much denser than steel or titanium but very expensive.

Composite armour together with explosive reactive armour (ERA)

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post Apr 26 2013, 01:29 PM

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Do we have self-propelled howitzers for long-range bombardment? anyone can confirm
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post Apr 26 2013, 01:37 PM

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M1A1 used in the first Gulf War had Depleted Uranium added to their armor. While it does give extra protection against enemy fire, might in fact harm the tank crew. The Gulf War Syndrome might be the result of the depleted uranium in both tank armor and in the tank shells.

Depleted Uranium is just that, "depleted" there is not much radiation left. DU is very dense, more than an alloy like Tungsten Carbide which makes DU a better raw material for armour piercing ammunition. The very dense nature of DU makes it hard to be penetrated making it effective as tank armour. Also DU is plentiful for the US & UK due to it being a by-product of the Nuclear industry and so is very cheap (because there is little non military use for it). Tungsten carbide is very expensive because it has to specifically made for weapons production.

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post Apr 26 2013, 01:42 PM

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in a sense, G-5 is also a SPH

and our Astros II is considered as "long-range (rocket) artillery

as for light tank, there's tons of them in the market. the main contender is obviously CV90

QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 26 2013, 10:35 AM)
Wasn't the T-90 supposed to be the 1st chose of the evaluation? The Polish arrmy plans to retire all of it's PT-91's & T-72's by the year 2020 to be replace by the Leopard 2's.
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T-90s are one of the candidates that being evaluated a decade ago,along with korean K1-88 and ukranian T-84(and the polish PT-91)

poland,being a NATO member, would like to streamline its arsenal to NATO standard. thus the massive spending(besides german sold them Leopard 2s on the cheap and en masse)

btw we should totally grab few more of them PT-91s as reserve just in case(reinforcement, additional MBTs for sabah/sarawak,part cannibalization, etc)


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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Apr 26 2013, 04:23 AM)
Tragedi 26 April 1976

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HUT Tragedi NURI FM1715 , Pada 26 APRIL 1976, Operasi 'KOTA' mencatat sejarah hitam apabila sebuah helikopter Nuri Tentera Udara Di Raja Malaysia (TUDM) yang membawa 11 Pegawai dan anggota pasukan keselamatan jatuh ditembak akibat angkara pengganas komunis pada lebih kurang pukul 10.00 hingga 10.30 pagi di Hutan Simpan Ulu Muda, Gubir, Kedah. Helikopter tersebut dalam perjalanan ke pos-pos tentera di perbatasan Malaysia-Thailand terbakar dan mengorbankan kesemua pegawai dan anggota termasuk juruterbang.

Perajurit yang terkorban ialah
Lt (U) Chung Ming Teck PTU, #10 Skn, Kapten pesawat
Lt (U) Wan Munsiff bin Wan Salim KPK, #10 Skn, Co-pilot
Sjn Leong Yee Heng PTU, #10 Skn, AQM
Kapt (U) Choo Yeok Boo PGB, #7 Skn (Kapten)
Kapt (U) Mustapha Kamal bin Mohamad Shafie KPK, #7 Skn (Co-pilot)
Mej Haris bin Rejab, MMLO Haadyai
Kapt Sulaiman bin Abdullah, 6 Bde
Lt Ibrahim bin Zakaria, 3 RAMD
Sjn Kamis bin Dolmat, 3 RAMD
L/Kpl Kamarulzaman bin Zakaria, X Sqn RGK
L/Kpl Suandi bin Saim, X Sqn RGK

Sekali tengok member aku, cousin dia L/Kpl Suandi bin Saim tu. Patutnya waktu tu, bukan dia yang naik helicopter, tapi sebab orang yang asalnya dipanggil tak habis bersihkan lagi M16 dia, so dia yang pegi naik atas. Tak sangka ajal dia kat situ.

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wow.so many chinese ? now i wonder why chinese younger generation are almost non existant in malaysia military unsure.gif unsure.gif
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post Apr 26 2013, 01:49 PM

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only in army(especially infantry)

there's many chinese in both air force and navy
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post Apr 26 2013, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 26 2013, 01:42 PM)
in a sense, G-5 is also a SPH

and our Astros II is considered as "long-range (rocket) artillery

as for light tank, there's tons of them in the market. the main contender is obviously CV90



T-90s are one of the candidates that being evaluated a decade ago,along with korean K1-88 and ukranian T-84(and the polish PT-91)

poland,being a NATO member, would like to streamline its arsenal to NATO standard. thus the massive spending(besides german sold them Leopard 2s on the cheap and en masse)

btw we should totally grab few more of them PT-91s as reserve just in case(reinforcement, additional MBTs for sabah/sarawak,part cannibalization, etc)
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actually why the T-90s not selected?

I think those below 50tonnes MBT more suitable for Malaysia urban and rural terrain.


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i dunno myself. i don't think Mindef released it publicly. but probably because it's more expensive(for a T-72 variant) and the russian don't really want other,non russian, third party company to lay hand to their (then) most sophisticated tank
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QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 26 2013, 01:57 PM)
actually why the T-90s not selected?

I think those below 50tonnes MBT more suitable for Malaysia urban and rural terrain.
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one of reason that i've been heard was that ruskies disagree with barter trade payment method unlike poland
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QUOTE(keown83 @ Apr 26 2013, 02:02 PM)
one of reason that i've been heard was that ruskies disagree with barter trade payment method unlike poland
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really..? i heard bcoz T-90 failed one of the test while PT-91 passed all the test..
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iinm all MBT candidates did not passed 100% all the test

kan ke PT-91 have to change their engine & transmission as to follow ATM demand?
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QUOTE(noavatar @ Apr 26 2013, 11:15 AM)
Just adding a little note here.....there were some stratergists, and even some militaries, who predicted the days of the main battle tank (MBT) were numbered. A classic example is Canada, which decided to retire its tank fleet and instead rely on LAV III 8x8 armoured vehicles. A Mobile Gun System (MGS) variant armed with a 105mm gun was to take on the ‘quasi-tank’ role.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 26 2013, 11:42 AM)
The Canadian sent their Leopard 2A6M to Afghanistan and have recently upgraded their 2A4. Never heard the Canadian to retire their Leopard 2's. Maybe they are phasing out their old Leopard C2 tank. And that's a different tank.
Even the US Marines sent their M1A1 Abrams tanks to Afghanistan. As a lot of the Army Stryker's were hit badly by IED's.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/...anks/index.html

A new upgraded Canadian Leopard 2A4:

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the plan to use the LAV for the basis of CF armour requirements was scrapped in early 2003.We never predicted the days of the MBT were numbered,the government was just trying to save a few dollars by taking away the tanks.nobody in the CF wanted the tanks to go.the C2 was never fully retired.Half are retained by the reserves.the gov was trying f*** with us

btw,the picture is a 'clean' 2A4,doesn't have the slat armour and 'goreng pisang' cover
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Oerlikon Skyshield® MOOTW / C-RAM System
25 April 2013 by Rheinmetall Air Defence

RAM stands for rockets, artillery and mortar. These widely available weapons are used by asymmetric attackers or terrorist groups. Their intent is to bring the most devastating effects by attacks at vital assets of nations' strategic interests. Both material and personnel are vulnerable. The opponent side using RAM in asymmetric warfare is highly mobile and very difficult to identify and to distinguish.

The Oerlikon Skyshield® MOOTW / C-RAM System is the Rheinmetall Air Defence solution to counter this challenge. It is a re-locatable ground-based air defence system and can protect any civilian or military vital assets from RAM attacks under the spectrum of military operation other than war or even full-scale war scenario.

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Source: Rheinmetall Air Defence

ADDITIONAL NOTES:

Military operations other than war (MOOTW) Designed for protecting summit meetings and vital national infrastructure as well as troops deployed in peacekeeping and nation-building missions. Defence system for round-the-clock, full-spectrum protection. Featuring sense, warn and intercept functions, it is highly effective against incoming rockets, artillery and mortar rounds :

Extreme precision
Sensor Data Fusion
Up to four guns
Integrated command system
Ahead ammunition

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The Oerlikon Skyshield MOOTW/C-RAM system is Rheinmetall’s answer to the threat from rockets, artillery and mortar (RAM). It is specifically designed to defend high-value civilian or military assets from RAM attacks, whether in high-intensity combat scenarios or in “military operations other than war” (MOOTW). The system can also be used for protecting critical infrastructure or targets with a high symbolic value from terrorists and insurgents employing unorthodox tactics.

The Skyshield MOOTW/C-RAM system depends on Oerlikon Ahead airburst technology. Available in various configurations, the Oerlikon Revolver Gun is suitable for multiple applications. This state-of-the-art system can operate in a conventional antiaircraft role or be used for protecting military and civilian assets from RAM threats, and is also highly effective in a naval context: known as the Millennium Gun, it is already in service with two navies.

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Highly sophisticated yet extremely robust, this state-of-the-art system combines permanent airspace surveillance, automated detection and tracking of extremely small targets, prior warning of areas under threat and the interception and destruction of approaching RAM targets. Coupled with an Oerlikon Skymaster command and control system in MOOTW configuration, the Oerlikon Skyshield MOOTW/C-RAM system is entirely up to the task.

Instantly and automatically, the Skyshield MOOTW/C-RAM system reliably neutralizes a wide variety of threats. It calculates the incoming projectile’s point of impact and warns personnel in the threatened zone. Advanced fire control technology results in optimum, precisely timed target assignment and interception.

Oerlikon AHEAD Air Burst Munition

Each round of Rheinmetall’s 35mm Oerlikon AHEAD airburst ammunition contains a lethal payload of heavy metal spin-stabilised subprojectiles, unleashed in the path of an oncoming target at a programmable, predefined point in time. A short burst of AHEAD ammunition produces a dense cloud of lethal subprojectiles. These penetrate the outer skin of the target, causing catastrophic damage to its interior.

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AHEAD airburst ammunition can bring down targets at greater distances with fewer rounds fired, making it a much more cost-effective solution than conventional ammunition. The technology can be used in ammunition ranging in calibres from 30-76mm. AHEAD technology is suitable for ground, air force and naval applications. As an alternative option, AHEAD rounds can also be fired in non-fused mode, in which they behave like frangible rounds upon impact and are able to penetrate and destroy hard targets very effectively. In effect, AHEAD is actually two types of ammunition in one.

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post Apr 26 2013, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Apr 26 2013, 02:27 PM)
the plan to use the LAV for the basis of CF armour requirements was scrapped in early 2003.We never predicted the days of the MBT were numbered,the government was just  trying to save a few dollars by taking away the tanks.nobody in the CF wanted the tanks to go.the C2 was never fully retired.Half are retained by the reserves.the gov was trying f*** with us

btw,the picture is a 'clean' 2A4,doesn't have the slat armour and 'goreng pisang' cover
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Yes the Leopard 2A4M-CAN should look like this with the slat armour + barracuda camo:

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what i'm worried about the Pendekar is whether it have a blast-proof ammuniton storage in it..as u all know T-72 is a death trap if hit by a shell..explode and burns like a furnace..many T-72 in Syria got blown off by rpg..even its turret got blown 25m away..Abrams, challenger and leopards have blast-proof munition shelf..for outer protection, T-90 have Kontakt-5 ERA..the best of its kind i think..if can put it on the PT-91M..the crew have better protection..
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New T-50 Fighter Jet to Enter Service in 2016: Putin
By RIA Novosti on Friday, April 26th, 2013


Russia’s fifth-generation T-50 fighter jet will enter service with the country’s armed forces in 2016, and not 2015 as was previously announced, President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday.
“The T-50 fifth generation jet should go into serial production and enter service in 2016,” Putin said at a live Q&A session with the Russian public.

The Defense Ministry had earlier said the jet would be ready in 2015.

Russia will start state flight tests of the T-50 in 2014, United Aircraft Corporation’s President Mikhail Pogosyan said on Tuesday.

The T-50, also known as PAK-FA (future tactical fighter aircraft), first flew in January 2010 and was presented to the public at the Moscow Air Show in 2011.

The T-50, which will be the core of Russia’s future fighter fleet, is a fifth-generation multirole fighter aircraft featuring elements of “stealth” technology,” super-maneuverability, super-cruise capability (supersonic flight without use of afterburner), and an advanced avionics suite including an X-band active phased-array radar.

India will also buy a fighter aircraft based on the T-50, known as the FGFA (fifth-generation fighter aircraft).

United Aircraft Corporation is the state holding company uniting Russia’s aircraft building industry including Sukhoi, a military and civil aircraft manufacturer.

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 26 2013, 02:43 PM)
what i'm worried about the Pendekar is whether it have a blast-proof ammuniton storage in it..as u all know T-72 is a death trap if hit by a shell..explode and burns like a furnace..many T-72 in Syria got blown off by rpg..even its turret got blown 25m away..Abrams, challenger and leopards have blast-proof munition shelf..for outer protection, T-90 have Kontakt-5 ERA..the best of its kind i think..if can put it on the PT-91M..the crew have better protection..
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The problem is still inherent to all T-72 design hull.
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Russian Air Force pilot flew a PAK FA test mission for the first time
Published April 25, 2013

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Moscow, April 25. Air Force pilot of the Chkalov Flight Test Center made a PAK FA test flight for the first time. The plane took off the airfield of the M.M.Gromov Flight Research Institute in the city of Zhukovsky (Moscow region). The system and equipment testing went on for two hours in accordance with the flight test program. The flight was a success, in full conformity with the flight mission.

Presently four planes undergo flight tests. Two more aircraft are engaged in ground experimental missions — one plane is a complex ground test stand and the other undergoes static tests. The fifth PAK FA aircraft will join the flight test program in the second half of 2013. Construction of that plane at the Sukhoi’s aircraft plant — Y.A.Gagarin KnAAZ in Komsomolsk-on-Amur is almost complete.

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Customs Deputy Director-general Shot Dead

PUTRAJAYA, April 26 (Bernama) -- Malaysia Royal Customs Deputy Director-General Datuk Shaharuddin Ibrahim was shot dead while on his way to work here Friday.

Shaharuddin, 58, who lived in Dengkil, Selangor, was confirmed dead at the Putrajaya Hospital at 9.20am.

Kuala Lumpur Crime Investigation Department head Datuk Ku Chin Wah said two men on a motorcycle fired three shots at a four-wheel-drive vehicle which Shaharuddin was travelling in at a traffic light junction when it was heading towards Lebuh Wawasan, from Lebuh Sentosa about 8.15am.

The shots hit Shaharuddin on the neck and above and he was then rushed to the Putrajaya Hospital by his driver, he told reporters when met at the scene.

Shaharuddin was believed to have been shot by an automatic pistol.

Ku said police would obtain footage of the closed-circuit television camera in the vicinity to assist in the investigation and also urged those with information on the incident to contact the nearest police station.

Meanwhile, Shaharuddin's cousin, Roslan Ibrahim, 51, who was met while accompanying Shaharuddin's family members at the Kuala Lumpur Hospital (HKL), believed that there was a connection between Shaharuddin's murder and his job with the Customs.

Shaharuddin's body was sent to HKL for a post-mortem.

"We met often for a drink and the last time was last Sunday, but he never discussed his job or ever mentioned having received threats," he added

Source: BERNAMA

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