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post Jan 22 2007, 06:47 PM

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thnk u for straighting that point up!! rclxm9.gif

the guy also told me that being an architect meaning less time for family and such as architects rarely get some rest..yeah right! like doctors and engineers don't! vmad.gif
mayB i should give him a visit later n chock him to death for looking down on architect profession. ahhaha!! tongue.gif

hrmm...people do misunderstood about architect profession sometimes..

like people mistaken architect for the people who design AND BUILD the building..it brings sadness to me..hehe

some also think im not suitable for architecture just simple because i was in science stream and would waste all the knowledge i got in biology, physics n other subjects non-related to art..think again..

when will people understand.. laugh.gif

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post Jan 22 2007, 08:42 PM

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great that u have a mindset ready for architecture. also to add to that, about 75% of architecture graduates in msia are from science stream. so go figure wink.gif
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post Jan 22 2007, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 22 2007, 06:16 PM)
i'm with justin. u see, architects dont live forever. there are always people dying everyday, u know hehehhee.
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kinda wish u had a Death Note to get rid of these ppl and budding, annoying coursemates who have potential to be a rival architect to you.

wua ha ha...
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post Jan 22 2007, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Jan 22 2007, 11:01 PM)
kinda wish u had a Death Note to get rid of these ppl and budding, annoying coursemates who have potential to be a rival architect to you.

wua ha ha...
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wahhh!!! like that ka! blink.gif

hahah!!

really heating in the competition with coursemates,huh justin?

do u find it easier to have a study group or be in independent study? or it differs by different people?

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QUOTE(*TeDucK* @ Jan 22 2007, 11:07 PM)
wahhh!!! like that ka!  blink.gif

hahah!!

really heating in the competition with coursemates,huh justin?

do u find it easier to have a study group or be in independent study? or it differs by different people?
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healthy competition is alrite. But like Azarimy has said before, the biggest headache is a designer working together wif another designer. Evyone wan to have it their way.

Thats how it goes la. Some will be contributing more in group work, some less but end up same grade. Thats y some ppl really phobia work together in a group.
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post Jan 22 2007, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(*TeDucK* @ Jan 22 2007, 06:47 PM)
the guy also told me that being an architect meaning less time for family and such as architects rarely get some rest..yeah right! like doctors and engineers don't!
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I always worry about that too. I'm currently doing a business degree...so boring YAWN..

In my course, I feel that it takes up a lot of time too, especially completing assignments... I wonder if architecture is really about the same,...it that case..I guess it ain't that bad..


I still get sleep though...Normally will be doing assignments till about 3am latest...then head for bed,..if I have a morning class then have to wake up at 6am...about the same right? Some people plan their time better and make a lot of sacrifice. I normally try not to miss my favourite tv programs. Even if I miss, I watch the repeat.

"You won't have time for anything else if you do architecture" ....is this saying overrated and blown out of proportion?

Most degrees also will require a student to stay up late night completing assignments right?

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post Jan 23 2007, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(Sensui @ Jan 22 2007, 11:48 PM)
I always worry about that too. I'm currently doing a business degree...so boring YAWN..

In my course, I feel that it takes up a lot of time too, especially completing assignments... I wonder if architecture is really about the same,...it that case..I guess it ain't that bad..
I still get sleep though...Normally will be doing assignments till about 3am latest...then head for bed,..if I have a morning class then have to wake up at 6am...about the same right? Some people plan their time better and make a lot of sacrifice. I normally try not to miss my favourite tv programs. Even if I miss, I watch the repeat.

"You won't have time for anything else if you do architecture" ....is this saying overrated and blown out of proportion?

Most degrees also will require a student to stay up late night completing assignments right?

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the statement isnt an exaggeration. well, u could hangout in utm for 2-3 days near the submission. just crash at justin's place heheh. u'll see what we mean by "not having enough time for anything else". it doesnt imply that in architecture u must be rajin and kerja all the time. u just spend a huge chunk of ur time in the studio. that's all.

when u graduate, the same "culture" will occur most of the time. most offices work with 5-6 projects simultaneously, and u can have one submission right after the other. however, as u grow older, u'll manage ur time perfectly (within 5 years of working). after that, u wont have to take ur job home or stay up in the office anymore. THAT is when people usually decide to have a family...
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 23 2007, 01:33 AM)
when u graduate, the same "culture" will occur most of the time. most offices work with 5-6 projects simultaneously, and u can have one submission right after the other. however, as u grow older, u'll manage ur time perfectly (within 5 years of working). after that, u wont have to take ur job home or stay up in the office anymore. THAT is when people usually decide to have a family...
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haha biggrin.gif That was the one the guy meant!

he said,
architects (mostly just graduated) will be working long hours, usually when there's a project to be done and the deadline is near, and u'll be all day long figuring out an idea to finish it off.

even in bed, ur head still be searching for an idea. and when u got it, u'll be drawing and expanding the idea, preparing how to talk about ur design, getting hours n hours spent for the project..

as if they dont have time for anything else or to spend with ur wife and kids..

well, as the guy talked so greatly...
in my head..
"then, dun great married la!! laugh.gif
or probably get a very (VERY) understanding wife".. ahahahah!!! thumbup.gif


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post Jan 23 2007, 09:06 AM

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I guess the job/college assignments take so long because their mind lacking ideas at that moment?
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post Jan 23 2007, 09:22 AM

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well yeah, u can say that. sometimes it's not just ideas, but solutions as well. sometimes, u dont even know what's wrong with ur design, u ended up spending all night trying to figure out what. this is where lateral thinking method comes in. people with linear thoughts tend to get stuck more frequently, and in such cases, becomes an obstacle they cannot pass. lateral thinkers would just leave a problem and solve other stuff first, which at the same time, could multi-task and solve the previous solution at the back of their minds.

it's hard to explain it, but most architecture students develop lateral thinking usually towards their 3rd years. dont have to read edward de bono's book anymore. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 23 2007, 01:19 PM

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whats da difference of linear and lateral thinking, neway?

mind to explain?
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post Jan 23 2007, 01:53 PM

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i guess linear thinking = straight foward thinking

lateral = thinking "out of the box"

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I am a big F1 and MotoGP fan. I NEVER miss races. Since architecture is so stressful and uses a lot of your time...anyone here who did architecture course and is a F1 and MotoGP fan? Were there anyone like that in your course?
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QUOTE(Sensui @ Jan 23 2007, 01:53 PM)
i guess linear thinking = straight foward thinking

lateral = thinking "out of the box"
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Linear means one way, as in finish one process before proceeding to another.

Lateral means more flexible, as in one dun hav to finish Level 1 to go to Level 2. If im stuck at Level 1 i just do my workat other levels and when I've finally cracked it, i go back to Level 1 and finish up.

Anyways, Im a big Scuderia Ferrari F1 fan and also a long time Man Utd fan.

If i ever were to get too stressed, I would just pop by any of the alternative media and forums and release some tensions. if not, i would find some time to give my car some personal TLC.

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Anyways, Im a big Scuderia Ferrari F1 fan
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Do you miss F1 races? I'm totally HARDCORE into F1.
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Why architects are not scientists 
Written by Azari Mat Yasir    
Sunday, 21 January 2007 

we're not talking about what's the difference in terms of what architects do or what scientists achieve. we're talking about the fundamental difference between architects and scientists, although both go into similar process of problem solving. the very core of how an architect thinks is different, and more importantly, architects approach problem solving in a different way.

lawson (1997) have established a study experimenting on a group of architects and a group of scientists. the results were apparent enough to draw a conclusion that architects dont think the same way scientists do.

his experiment pointed out that scientists generally adopted a strategy of systematically exploring the possible combinations to a problem solution in order to discover the fundamental rule which would allow a permissable combination. basically scientists will explore all possibilities of attempting a design solution, and find the best way to solve it.

architects, on the other hand, are more inclined to propose a series of solutions, and to have these solutions eliminated, until they found an acceptable one. architects immediately provide alternative solutions and goes through another process which eventually provides the best solution.

the experiment suggests that scientists problem solve by analysis, whereas designers problem solve by synthesis.

it is also established, in other research, that there are virtually no difference in the way of thinking of secondary school students between science based, humanities or art based. presumably they learn, are taught or discover in architecture education, specifically in the studio.

in UTM itself, it is common that the administration goes neck to neck with the architecture department on the issues of the studio. to the scientists, studios are like workshop, while to engineers, studio is like a lab. this is true, if we're looking at it superficially.

studio is not a workshop, due to the fact that design requires learning and doing occuring simultaneously. studio is not a lab either, where theory is learnt simultaneously with practicals. this is a concept that the administration in almost every university in the world have a problem with. the definition of a studio.

however, to put it easily, UTM have come up with the nickname "design lab", to justify the existence of the studio.

having the foundation of thinking differing between architects and scientists, it is up to the students reading this short article now, to make best of who they are.


references
1. Cross, Nigel (1982). "DESIGNERLY WAYS OF KNOWING", Journal of Design Studies, Volume 3 Issue 4 October 1982.
2. Lawson, Bryan (1997). "HOW DESIGNERS THINK: THE DESIGN PROCESS DEMYSTIFIED", 3rd Edition, Architectural Press, Oxford
3. Editorial (various years). "UNIT WORKBASE DESIGN BOOKLET", Department of Architecture, FAB, Universiti Teknologi Malaysia.
Taken from http://www.tanggam.com/v3/index.php


Added on January 28, 2007, 6:46 pmHere's another of Dr. Taj's monthly articles. Enjoy

Dr Taj's article in today's Sunday Star

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post Feb 20 2007, 06:02 PM

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This has been a pretty interesting thread to read through, hehe biggrin.gif
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post Feb 20 2007, 06:04 PM

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haha...quite busy lately with my final submission....
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post Feb 20 2007, 06:12 PM

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Hehe, all the best to you.
I gotta get back to work too, this 1 week cny break somehow doesn't feel like a break at all, if you get what I mean. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ihatemyguts @ Feb 20 2007, 06:12 PM)
Hehe, all the best to you.
I gotta get back to work too, this 1 week cny break somehow doesn't feel like a break at all, if you get what I mean. tongue.gif
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haha...me too...break is mean nothing to me....

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