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faiz2036
post Jan 1 2013, 04:25 PM

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i think it's enough for network conversation.. let's continue with nexus 4. any news friend?? new year already.. Digi still silent also LG.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jan 1 2013, 04:16 PM)
i'm not saying they should stop deploying LTE (read my previous post carefully), I estimated the LTE deployment rate only.

in my opinion, i think they should get their shxt together first before deploying another thing to burden their current services.  if they can't even cover at least 90% of all major cities with 3g, how r they going to move forward with their LTE?  it's like the government wants all of malaysia to adopt ADSL, but the current ADSL infrastructure sucks big time, so what's the point of more ppl adopting ADSL when most of us can't even get decent ADSL speeds?  to congest the network even more? 

obviously u don't travel much, even if u travel, u r going to large cities, not small towns, so u can't comprehend what i meant.  do u know in Vietnam kampung area they already have fiber network and fast and stable 3g coverage?  y can they do that but here can't?  think about it.

now back on topic.
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Let's not go there. I don't travel much? Really?

You cant stop technology, and you can't stop folks from asking the latest and greatest. The same complaints were given during the EDGE days when telcos are moving to 3G, and where do we stand on that now?

Asking telcos to "get their shit together before deploying LTE" means Malaysia will forever be stuck in the loop where the country will always be behind the adoption of new mobile comm. standards because telcos had to cater to covering the rural areas. Telcos build coverage based on profitability. Hence why you see better coverages and service on city area where the more profitable and affluent can pay for their cost of erecting towers and coverage antennas. The rate is slower in rural and kampung area because there's not a large market for profitability here, most of the folks here either go for the most cheapest rate they can have, because they seldom go online or their activities does not involve going online as often as the more tech-inclined city people. The towers and antennas will come, but it wont be as rapid as the city la. The telcos are running a business, not charity. They build antennas and towers but market margin low in the kampung and smaller towns compared to city, why should they be building them at a faster rate? The city folks gets the latest and greatest, while the telcos continue improving connections for those living rurally. WIN-WIN.

It's like me having to wait for other just because they're moving slow. Sorry, I dont move at other people's relaxed pace.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jan 1 2013, 04:16 PM)
i'm not saying they should stop deploying LTE (read my previous post carefully), I estimated the LTE deployment rate only.

in my opinion, i think they should get their shxt together first before deploying another thing to burden their current services.  if they can't even cover at least 90% of all major cities with 3g, how r they going to move forward with their LTE?  it's like the government wants all of malaysia to adopt ADSL, but the current ADSL infrastructure sucks big time, so what's the point of more ppl adopting ADSL when most of us can't even get decent ADSL speeds?  to congest the network even more? 

obviously u don't travel much, even if u travel, u r going to large cities, not small towns, so u can't comprehend what i meant.  do u know in Vietnam kampung area they already have fiber network and fast and stable 3g coverage?  y can they do that but here can't?  think about it.

now back on topic.
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Geez you dont know stringfellow
I think he travel to many places in the world most of us never does
He is a pilot with MAS n always in some foreign cities
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QUOTE(sunnyboy @ Jan 1 2013, 04:19 PM)
i thought LTE, H+, edge, gprs all depends on area...

if i go to an area with LTE and my phone support it, it will jump to LTE, if go ulu ulu place where only edge support, it will run on edge..

am i correct?
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If your phone support it automatically. In modern smartphones like Lumia 920 and Nexus 4, these have to be activated, and you can even choose whether you want auto-switching like you mentioned, or exclusively using a particular broadband connections, like 3G only or LTE only. The problem is, if you choose exclusive bands only, once you're outside of the coverage of that band, you get "No Service". Hence why you see those who are picky with not wanting a "No Service", either switch their phones to auto-switch, or the more thriftier ones, choose EDGE only. No disconnection but shittier speeds. You win some you lose some.

Nexus 4 doesn't support Maxis LTE. Lumia 920 does with a software update manually now or OTA on February.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 1 2013, 04:29 PM)
Let's not go there. I don't travel much? Really?

You cant stop technology, and you can't stop folks from asking the latest and greatest. The same complaints were given during the EDGE days when telcos are moving to 3G, and where do we stand on that now?

Asking telcos to "get their shit together before deploying LTE" means Malaysia will forever be stuck in the loop where the country will always be behind the adoption of new mobile comm. standards because telcos had to cater to covering the rural areas. Telcos build coverage based on profitability. Hence why you see better coverages and service on city area where the more profitable and affluent can pay for their cost of erecting towers and coverage antennas. The rate is slower in rural and kampung area because there's not a large market for profitability here, most of the folks here either go for the most cheapest rate they can have, because they seldom go online or their activities does not involve going online as often as the more tech-inclined city people. The towers and antennas will come, but it wont be as rapid as the city la. The telcos are running a business, not charity. They build antennas and towers but market margin low in the kampung and smaller towns compared to city, why should they be building them at a faster rate? The city folks gets the latest and greatest, while the telcos continue improving connections for those living rurally. WIN-WIN.

It's like me having to wait for other just because they're moving slow. Sorry, I dont move at other people's relaxed pace.
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and the old 3G equipment at big cities will be change/transfer to EDGE kampung site, then kampung site will have 3G smile.gif thumbup.gif and soon GPRS will gone rclxm9.gif
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post Jan 1 2013, 04:49 PM

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post Jan 1 2013, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Berserker @ Jan 1 2013, 04:49 PM)
For N4 owners, does the N4 have auto reject options for black listed numbers?
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many app in play store will do it for you like call block and etc..
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post Jan 1 2013, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(faiz2036 @ Jan 1 2013, 02:27 PM)
i dont care about LTE for now.. HSPA+ already enough for me. biggrin.gif


Added on January 1, 2013, 2:27 pmi dont care about LTE for now.. HSPA+ already enough for me. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 1 2013, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Berserker @ Jan 1 2013, 04:49 PM)
For N4 owners, does the N4 have auto reject options for black listed numbers?
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Stock ROM has no option for it.
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Jan 1 2013, 05:22 PM)
Stock ROM has no option for it.
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OK. Thanks for the info. smile.gif
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post Jan 1 2013, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(devinz @ Jan 1 2013, 05:19 PM)
Something to share. ..
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u on umobile? which area?
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post Jan 1 2013, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(faiz2036 @ Jan 1 2013, 02:27 PM)
i dont care about LTE for now.. HSPA+ already enough for me. biggrin.gif


Added on January 1, 2013, 2:27 pmi dont care about LTE for now.. HSPA+ already enough for me. biggrin.gif
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For Maxis users oklah.DiGi & Celcom users enjoice with HSPA only.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 1 2013, 03:27 PM)
I like the apprehension towards LTE here. More empty nodes means faster LTE speeds for early adopters since they don't have to share them with the doubters.

Point is, we're moving forward, we dont wanna stay stagnant. Media consumption at higher rate and teleconferencing is one of the reason why I'm excited about LTE. Had a taste of LTE in the States and it's like when you moved to HDTV for the first time and asked to go back to square CRTs. I've tasted the future and being asked to live in the past.

You may not find a reason for it now, but once you've tasted it, all the previously unavailable opportunities opened up, because the shittier speeds you had before prevented you from doing it.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 1 2013, 04:01 PM)
So in your opinion, what should they do? Completely blanket everywhere with working 3G connection before they even think of deploying LTE? Then you'd get people complaining how they're lagging in adopting new technology and faster speeds.

The way I look at it, let them deploy LTE hand-in-hand with correcting the problems with current 3G speeds/coverage, so that LTE will be what 3G is to 2G/EDGE now: a secondary, fallback connection option. With that, good coverage areas will get LTE and shittier once gets AT LEAST 3G, instead of no connection at all.

I agree with grading entities by looking at their past historical performance, but you never move forward until you give them a chance. DiGi is fixing it by leapfrogging 3G to LTE, and I foreseen that as more problematic than Maxis or Celcom because if let say their LTE service breaks down, theire second-best connection is......EDGE? *vomit*

Look at it this way, with LTE out, your shittiest connection will sooner or later be , your current 3G connection. Isn't that a WIN?


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It'll cost a lot of money to a have a complete 3G coverage plus in certain area there will be very few users which will be a waste of money.Progressing to LTE while also upgrading the 3G line is the best way forward.
EDGE is a decent fallback option for data but the disadvantage of not being able to transfer data & voice simultaneously make it unsuitable.

My wish of LTE is just 2.Make it more reliable & increase the data limit for lower price.Limit like 1GB is way too little if you really want to use cloud based apps.

BTW with this relatively fast LTE adoption rate I hope more consumer electronic company will look to market their product faster in our country (*peek at apple).Some company consider Malaysia to be a bit outdated country because of the slower rate of newer technology adoption.Singapore is way ahead of us this with their puny population.

QUOTE(jamallj @ Jan 1 2013, 04:07 PM)
the allocation of LTE supplied by telcos here in Malaysia is band 7.. which is 2600 Mhz frequency.. Its the same as Singapore but Singapore also utilize the 1800 MHz frequency as backup.. so far there is no official statement mentioning Malaysia utilizing other than the 2600 MHz spectrum band..

most phones including the iphone 5 and new ipad does not use the 2600 MHz spectrum band.. refer to (http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/).. but note that the 1800 MHz frequncy band is supported with singapore telco..

the latest i heard is the only phone that supports 2600 MHz frequency band is the Nokia Lumia 920 but it requires another software update to enable the LTE capability in Malaysia.. So for now.. LTE in Malaysia does not really impact current LTE capable phones.. because most of LTE phones available now are for outside market..

it is sad though for iphone 5 and the new ipads users that the LTE capability on the devices are useless here in Malaysia unless Apple willing to spennd money on another iphone 5 variant or Malaysia follow singapore by allowing 1800 Mhz band to be used as spare band..
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Malaysian telcos usually use the commonly standardized stuff.This isn't exactly a bad thing.We can use devices from other country which are compatible with out network.I guess Apple will eventually come with newer iphone (new new new iphone will sound awkward) which will work in our network.I still hope nokia will come with their GSM pentaband like transmitter for LTE.

I have another reason of supporting wider LTE usage.Unlike GSM LTE have number of proprietary which making it harder for third party to build a custom OS.Also the large number of LTE patens cost a lot to be licensed.Which make it more expensive if a new company wants to make a new os & phone.Hopefully will wider LTE usage these company (Qualcomn,Samsung,Motorola,Nokia & Apple) will be more open with their LTE related codes.


Added on January 1, 2013, 7:10 pmRegarding the Nexus 4 order from Nexus shop,can they provide postal service.I'm interested but cannot travel to their shop.

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jan 1 2013, 06:16 PM)
i'm not saying they should stop deploying LTE (read my previous post carefully), I estimated the LTE deployment rate only.

in my opinion, i think they should get their shxt together first before deploying another thing to burden their current services.  if they can't even cover at least 90% of all major cities with 3g, how r they going to move forward with their LTE?  it's like the government wants all of malaysia to adopt ADSL, but the current ADSL infrastructure sucks big time, so what's the point of more ppl adopting ADSL when most of us can't even get decent ADSL speeds?  to congest the network even more? 

obviously u don't travel much, even if u travel, u r going to large cities, not small towns, so u can't comprehend what i meant.  do u know in Vietnam kampung area they already have fiber network and fast and stable 3g coverage?  y can they do that but here can't?  think about it.

now back on topic.
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This is how Vietnam deploy their fibre. They also have more population than Malaysia. Vietnam 3G stable? I used to be there, sucks most of the time. If u meant small town, of coz more stable as there's less user.

LTE can relieve the congestion in city area as some of the 3G users will move to LTE. With 3G they can't do much unless they build more tower or buy more freq from government which is expensive.
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QUOTE(ryan_chandl @ Jan 1 2013, 07:16 PM)
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This is how Vietnam deploy their fibre. They also have more population than Malaysia. Vietnam 3G stable? I used to be there, sucks most of the time. If u meant small town, of coz more stable as there's less user.

LTE can relieve the congestion in city area as some of the 3G users will move to LTE. With 3G they can't do much unless they build more tower or buy more freq from government which is expensive.
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Wow I hate to be the guy that has to climb up there and install new fiber wires
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man.. with that kind of wire.. even cable burglars are confused which to steal first.. hahahahahahahaha
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Yeah man, my colleague there saying whenever there's is blackout, they will cut 1 by 1 to see which cable having issue, dunno he was joking or wat
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QUOTE(hussain @ Jan 1 2013, 06:29 PM)
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QUOTE(ryan_chandl @ Jan 1 2013, 07:25 PM)
Yeah man, my colleague there saying whenever there's is blackout, they will cut 1 by 1 to see which cable having issue, dunno he was joking or wat
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Then what? Solder the wire back 1 by 1?
Like that all the electronic engineer students in Vietnam just have to learn trial by error theory.

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