i didn't thought of that...

so, you considering goin paired spokes?

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 14 2013, 06:48 PM

meaning, no chance...

the market is most probably going to be you, me and a few other idiots...

so macwai, you got some new considerations.. rolf prima (tdf range) and some HED stingers... haha

the tension is the same lar... they are as high as any low spoke count wheels...can't say that much for rolf wheels as their wheels go as low as 12-14 spokes...

the problem is spoke spacing is very big compared to normal lacing... and if a spoke breaks... the neighboring spokes that are far apart have to bear a lot extra burden and tension...

my pair of xero's XSR-1 was paired spoke too.. not the same paired spoke method as the rolf ...but it was paired together...broke spokes like hell.. but still rideable (at least to get home lar)

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 14 2013, 06:55 PM

that is why the winiums are so enticing...paired spoke never fails...

even shimano got suckered into playing that game with them in the r-540 that was an epic failure...


there are endless debates on the pros and cons of paired spoke.. the paired spoke camp claims the lateral rigidity is better with paired spokes but the normal folks claims it is a whole load of horse shit and their reliability problems outweigh their benefits...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 14 2013, 07:02 PM

where's macwai? we scared him off?

jus ask your friend be a nice boy and buy some sensible wheels... wheels are best to be sold by many shops... speaking frankly...

this is so you don't suddenly find the only shop selling the wheel you bought to close shop and then you are stuck with a broken wheel...

other than that, competition also high and you hope they hentam each others price...

303 lar.. unless you friend has a spez tarmac or venge... or planning to buy one...

303 is the most middleground in case your friend is still in the fickle minded state... only 13mm difference of height between all models...32mm - 45m - 58mm

light enough to still climb considerably well and yet still quite deep considering the rim height... wide rims for good tire seating and firecrest shape is good in the wind...and there is carbon clincher too for the weight of almost 70 grams lighter than a pair of FR0...

why do i start to sound like a salesman??? dafug

your friend is trying to drive a lorry through an ant hole... let alone a square peg into a round hole...

forgot to add... for style... either one is the same... same amount of spokes ...same hub, same rim shape and construction... the 404 only has more landscape to plaster on a bigger zipp logo...if that is style for you, then that is the one to go...

else 303 sticks as something of an in between a 202 and 404

rsys slr? think its 2k usd by now

rsys ultimate...nuff said

great choice!!! except i'd go for the newer 190 ceramics...

if he is wiling to pay... jus fly it in... or commision wheelbuilder to build it... they can fly it in... as long as you can stand the shipping costs...and those would be custom hand built wheels... surf their site a bit and tou'd get the idea...lots of stuff to play with, from carbon to alloy, clincher to tubs and all sort of ultralightweight

the poison is getting more poisonous by the day

I'll add my version of the poison

For climbing - An Cervelo R5 VWD (R5CA if you can get your lucky hands on one), SRAM Red, Zipp 202 glued to Hutchinson Pro Tubulars

For flats - I'll go against mainstream Venge and get a Shiv with drop bars, SRAM Red, Zipp 404 front, 808 rear with ceramic bearings, ceramic speed bearings all round the bike.

For training purposes - I'll get a couple sets of Zipp Team Issue wheels fitted with different SRAM Red cassettes of different ratios.

http://www.zipp.com/wheels/detail.php?ID=10#

high spoke count, tough, yet light (sub 1500 grams), clincher, alloy, and only cost as much as a set of 101s

rumors that armstrong already confessed in a pre-recording of the oprah show

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/armstrong-r...prah-comes-town

and indication of it that he apologized to the livestrong staff before the recording...

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/01/new...nterview_271447

this is damning and will be feeding the trolls for weeks to come...it'll be an interesting start to the 2013 season..

as you already say...helmet is about fitting and there is no way to know if you actually go for a test fit yourself...

you might find out about how good the padding and ventilation is... but that means jack shit if the helmet can't fit your head as that affects general comfort....

it fits for one guy doesn't mean it fit for the other...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 15 2013, 10:37 AM

woah... 2 new zipp wheels...alloy brake track clinchers

30
http://www.zipp.com/wheels/30-clincher/#


and 60
http://www.zipp.com/wheels/60-clincher/#







http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/01/14/zipp-i...oy-road-wheels/

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 15 2013, 10:48 AM

then what is the point of knowing.. you won't risk buying it without having a fit right?

whoa!!! miao!!!

your fav tit-anium bike...

http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/01/14/found-...m-cysco-cycles/

has all the features you dream off...

still yet comfortable and external cup headsets...sounds like an impossible dream come true...


the potong stim part... not available in malaysia... time to book your airline tickets...

i meant the trolls like walsh, kimmage, landis, and "good guy" hamilton

the boss is gonna be the boss.. no disputes...

how else could it be stiff then?

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 15 2013, 11:30 AM

eh.. you know that wheel costs more than a set of FR0 and it is not any lighter...yes, it uses the sweet swiss steel bearing hubs of the 88 and 188... but...it is not cheap...

furthermore, it only has the toroidal shape... might as well get the SRAM S30 series as that is practically a copy version of the 101 and is almost the same weight....




build a set of 32/36spoke classic wheels and it'll be healthy for your leg and wallet... guarantee heavy on both the wheels and your wallet....

if you buy the S30AL Gold, you get ceramics... you get the Race and it should be enough... a bit of aero, a bit of lightweight for a set of clinchers...

This post has been edited by butthead: Jan 15 2013, 11:47 AM