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post Jan 3 2013, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 3 2013, 05:32 PM)
the toupe nose is shorter. really. i've compared it side by side with the arione.
doesn't matter much to you anyways... shorter might be better in your case...

the good thing with this kind of fitting is they have the ability to track your knee movements to ensure it is moving in as straightline as possible... that is the cause of many knee ailments...

from there on.. they can produce very accurate measurements on angles on every imaginable body parts and track the movements as you ride...

i sort of like to do it... just that i can't figure anything to complain for now... so, no point doing it...

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post Jan 3 2013, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jan 3 2013, 05:44 PM)
Miao Korr...thanks for the info, I will get Patrick's contact from you when I am ready, base on BH feedback (thanks!) I think it is better for me to have self assessment on my riding posture and experiment a little more before going to the expert. I think I need to improve a few notches before it is really worthwhile doing it. sweat.gif
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most importantly... you need to know what you want to achieve... going there without a purpose is no point..

if you go there with an aim... there is a better chance that they can help you out...


Added on January 3, 2013, 5:48 pm
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 3 2013, 05:45 PM)
my knees move from side to side when pedalling up n down
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i think that is most of us... but from the fitting sessions... they can find ways to correct it or minimize the movements as much as possible as this movements causes joint ailments as it has to bear the loads from an angle it was not designed to...

it usually is due to foot irregularities and is corrected with wedges of some sort or maybe sometimes just a simple adjustment of your cleats...

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post Jan 3 2013, 05:51 PM

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anyways, here is some spez bg fit videos done by a dealer and not the spruced up shit by spez...






i am no perv... but i realize he is always winking with his right eye.. maybe, ternampak pretty chicks pass by..

a retul fit session



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post Jan 3 2013, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jan 3 2013, 05:52 PM)
My immediate aim is to graduate from a noob to an average rider in the shortest possible time. Could you please let me know what is the benchmark for an average local rider? As I have no idea ...forever alone rider, tats me.
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ride lots... always ride to your limits... without doing so, you won't know where it is and you will always be riding under it and never improve...

i believe, by doing so is the only way to improve...in a quicker manner...


Added on January 3, 2013, 5:57 pm
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 3 2013, 05:54 PM)
hard to put it exactly. my definition of a average rider might be different from butthead's and definitely different from vinann's
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exactly... what is average for me might not be average for you...always ride as hard as you can if you are speaking in terms of competitive riding...doing your best is the best you can do...

in other words, you are your own worst enemy...


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post Jan 3 2013, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 3 2013, 06:01 PM)
that's the dope talking
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this sounds more like dope talking... that is just "lansi" talk...

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maybe he had some magic mushrooms..


Added on January 3, 2013, 6:05 pm
QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jan 3 2013, 06:02 PM)
I guess, I need a reality check when I think I am ready. Hope to ride with you guys one day..maybe in a year or so... So long meh? Hope not!
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ride is anytime anywhere.. no need wait 1 year...

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post Jan 3 2013, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 3 2013, 06:07 PM)
i usually ride with butthead here:

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yeah babe...

we do alpe d'huez.. mont ventoux... col de la bonnette..sometimes stelvio pass... but alto d'angliru and monte zoncolan is too much for us...

it's dabomb...and we don't get tired tongue.gif
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post Jan 3 2013, 06:20 PM

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once a year is more than adequate...

if you ride in the rain a lot... then you should think about getting your good friend shop to take out places where there is bearings to see if it is contaminated or rusted a bit more often... that is the only worrying thing...

else, everything can be done by yourself... regular wash ups is more than adequate to keep the bike running...
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post Jan 3 2013, 06:29 PM

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usually not... you'll be lucky if they don't point a high pressure water jet on your bottom brackets..

the cartridge bearing seals are sometimes a toughie... most load bearing precision bearings have seals that are pretty much hard to take out, or hard to put back if you taken it out due to very small tolerances.. only the industrial ones have easier to pry off seals...

if they designed it to be serviceable... they might have grease ports so that you can pump grease in until you see dirty grease coming out and turning clean...

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post Jan 4 2013, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 3 2013, 10:50 PM)
butthead, the toupe is significantly lower than arione. so when mounted it on my seatpost, i had increased the height to the same height as where the arione was. but when i sat on it, it felt tall and and i had to put a little more effort to pedal.

is this normal? could it be because the toupe is a flat saddle?
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it could be due to a lower rail or the shell of the flat saddle is lower than the more rounded ones...

more effort to pedal? not too sure how a flat saddle could cause that.. in fact, flat saddles should be providing more support than rounded ones.... i am guessing it's the shape of the saddle that you are not getting used to... the arione looks to flare out in a more subtle fashion compared to the toupe and in theory.. the shape of the toupe might have your legs closer together when you pedal..

it might or it might not have caused you the little more effort... i am guessing it is more of the new feel that you are not getting used to...

it might be good to try new saddle height and fore / aft settings since this is a different saddle shape, coupled with a possible different stack height of your arione vs toupe ... the old height measured to the crank spindle might not be good for this saddle as leg extension might be affected by it...

not the most scientific method... but an overlap of both saddles does show quite a number of difference...

you can see the arione seems to aim downwards more than the toupe..
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another thing i forgot to tell you as well.. not sure if i mentioned before.. most spez saddles especially when seasoned... tends to sag down in the middle, not sure if due to material or other factors or it's just my weight... when new, you can see that the spez saddle curves down in the middle slightly in between front end and back... while the arione in comparison is almost flat front to back... that could contribute to a lower sit height if you sit in that area... i think...

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and this is the part that has some shape difference.. in theory, if my cloudy brain in the morning is working properly... the spez should be allowing you to extend your leg a bit longer as the curvature is further back.... in theory...
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Added on January 4, 2013, 10:07 am
QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jan 3 2013, 09:07 PM)
Any cycling training plan that you would recommend to achieve my objective? I find that cycling everyday hampers my recovery from fatigue. Is it better to cycle on alternate days?
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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jan 3 2013, 09:45 PM)
20 to 30 km a day. About an hour +-. Majority of the time is uphill and down.
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every training plan has to have an aim... you have to start off with a target.. fitness improvement is very general word to use as it covers many things... all the way from power output to endurance and any specific targets...

i would be tempted to say mileage is good but there is times when short runs with burst-ful efforts is good in your training plan as well...

i would not say to ride everyday as you are working i presume.. riding everyday saps energy never the less...and you need recovery time in between... i would prefer to sparse it out more and plan according to your targets...

you have to choose to have a combination of group rides, long mileage stable rides and intensive rides to mix it up and build all your bases at the same time...

in the schedule of a week... choose to have at least a day where you ride in a group, preferably a fast ride on flat or rolling roads.. this helps you acquire skills to maneuver around in a group and it allows you to benchmark yourself.. and it forces you into reality of your level against your ride buddies... in other words, forces you to up your pace if you are slow in order to tag onto their wheels or you get left behind..

solitary rides are important part of a training plan too, but as mentioned above... solitary ride sometimes does not let you realize your level on whether you need improving or are you already ahead of your group...

it is important to ride longer rides, 20-30k in places like genting sempah or KKB-Gap is good or you can do 100K flats at moderate paces... just within your limits but not exceeding them... this long steady rides are good for conditioning and building your base endurance...

then you need to plan for days where you can do intervals where you practically ride your balls off for a pre-determined distance or time (usually quite short), rest and repeat and progressively increase the effort or distance until you can no longer hold it... this will be essential for building power... doing short hill climb loops repeatedly at maximum efforts is an example of it...

recovery planning is also important which is why i think a sparse training plan over a week is better than having everything concentrated on only the weekends... something like a fast group night ride middle of the week, intense / intervals session on saturday and long rides on sunday to aid recover or sort of cooling down from the week...

that's what i think would be a better training plan that covers all bases... if you have specific aims, you might want to double up on certain things... and you'll be constantly fine tuning your plans as you progressively improve...

change routes / switch ups / reversals from time to time to keep things interesting as trainings can get quite boring...and if you are bored, you don't get the motivation to ride...training is a lot of repetitive stuff, find your own ways to spruce things up whether it is listening to tunes (which can be dangerous) or having pictures of pamela anderson on your stem... whatever yanks your chain..

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post Jan 4 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 4 2013, 10:25 AM)
y target average when you can be tip top rider? you should aim to be good rider... even u try ur best, ur hardest, good rider goal not achieve, but u still get something... aims 100, can get 80 is good enough....

it's blessing that you have chance to cycle everyday... most of us here dont have the leisure to do so...
my aim - to be able follow P2K peloton... always got dropped at last 10KM, it's where they start showing flying colorful...

sigh....
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wah.. you'd be father of the year man...next time your kids exam that time, tell him.. .aim 100 marks get 80... if want to pass only... aim 60 marks and ngam ngam pass... if want 100 marks.. cialat...

following attacks or bursts of speed is not everyone's forte... you have to be very used to riding out of your skin and switch tempo at the flick of a switch...

that's why some group rides hates riders who goes kamikaze off the front... disrupts rhythm of the group.. haha

i have the privilege to cycle everyday... maybe not physically... but i do cycle everyday..

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post Jan 4 2013, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 4 2013, 11:10 AM)
besides riding, you also need to treat ur body well...

give ur body, ur muscles good nutrition... eat natural foods... eat more fruits and vege...

Protein is very important nutrition for recovery....
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that you are the expert lar...

i just know how to stuff my face...

user posted imagethis is how you're supposed to carbo load

and inject dope...


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:22 ammind you... sex is also a good way for recovery...

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post Jan 4 2013, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(zone X @ Jan 4 2013, 11:41 AM)
really interesting.
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Yes, it is...

imagine all this

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from the comforts of your Ikea armchair...and you don't break a sweat, eat rubbish foods in the middle of nowhere, and you have a nice comfortable toilet within reach in case nature calls...

makes me wanna go ride now...


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:47 amthe so called troll is at it again...

Kimmage unconvinced by Sky and Wiggins

what does it take to convince him a win is a genuine win???

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post Jan 4 2013, 11:57 AM

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guess alberto won't be going to the vuelta...

Hints on Vuelta route: More mountainous than 2012 edition

angliru... are they high on crack again?


Added on January 4, 2013, 12:00 pm
QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jan 4 2013, 11:57 AM)
Thank you! I have a full year of plans worked out recommended by the learned ones, i will book marked this pages for reference and if I could remotely achieve it, then the next level is, aim for the sky..he he! To all the guys here- rclxms.gif  notworthy.gif
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so, meaning you want to be a neo-pro by 2014?

for this i recommend you...
http://trainright.com/

or

http://53x12.com/do/show;jsessionid=EFBF86...A209?page=front

the former is the trainer for "doper"... the latter is the consultant for "doper"...

both will get you good results tongue.gif

if you or they don't get caught and go to jail first...

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post Jan 4 2013, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 4 2013, 12:18 PM)
oh yeah, can u imagine ride 3 hours in RPM session?
i cannot imagine...3 hours looking at buns... envious...


Added on January 4, 2013, 12:30 pm
QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 4 2013, 12:18 PM)
really FML... spinning at fastest pace got cramp... legs are not ready for high speed spinning... sad.gif
think you need more salt.. next time before go spin class... buy those 125 gram packets and empty it into your mouth... after spin class... guarantee you "salty and wet" tongue.gif


Added on January 4, 2013, 12:30 pmand maybe no cramps too...


Added on January 4, 2013, 1:12 pmi want eebrakes...

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now available limited edition colors... rare item


Added on January 4, 2013, 1:15 pmvin_ann... if you come challenge my parklee anytime soon...

i'll send my daughter to smoke your doraemon ass...

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 4 2013, 02:22 PM)
why not? i tot the mountains is where he shows his true strength?
not the ultra steep stuff... at least not as of late..

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 4 2013, 02:22 PM)

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imagine those who work in a bakery
those buns are not as interesting as the ones in RPM classes...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 4 2013, 02:22 PM)
or maybe the arione which is rounded from side-side profile and with plush cushion, makes the sitbone to sink lower into the saddle.

whereas the toupe which is flat from side-side and with minimal padding, makes the sitbone to be positioned higher than with the arione, although the top-most elevation is the same.

makes sense?
possible... in that case, maybe lowering the saddle a tiny little bit might help...

anyways, it is going to be an experimentation exercise for sure just to get it right...you'll be sleepless for the next few days till you get it right blink.gif


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post Jan 4 2013, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jan 4 2013, 02:52 PM)
exactly.... u also the same? sleepless when waiting for ur wheel parts to arrive?
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that is a lot of weeks lar... cannot be sleepless over that...

in fact, i didn't bother to lace them up until a certain something happened to the pair of wheels i was using..
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post Jan 4 2013, 02:58 PM

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sabar lar.... you'll get it right eventually wat....

now you know why pro riders are so superstitious about the saddle, pedals, bar-stems they use and never deviate from it...
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post Jan 4 2013, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(tongyam @ Jan 4 2013, 03:01 PM)
who wan ride with me?
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ride wat first?


Added on January 4, 2013, 3:04 pm
QUOTE(apisthetic @ Jan 4 2013, 03:00 PM)
just browsed through my hard disc, looking into old photos.
i clicked on 'pacesetter 30km 28-10-2012' folder.
there are 107 photos, then i see the photo below.
i told myself, i think i know this guy, i read his blog.
just to be sure, is this VIN_ANN?

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blacklist him... put him on most wanted list...


Added on January 4, 2013, 3:05 pm
QUOTE(mrjgx @ Jan 4 2013, 03:00 PM)
finally! I always have a thought that the SKy team is doping at the Tour!

Perhaps Cav's move to Omega Pharma could be because he didnt like the doping scene in Sky. He seems pretty much happy in OP though..

ey, rather than buying expensive bikes, why don't we all go for a ride in Stelvio, etc.

Vin ann must follow us, he'll be the strongest domestique for our train. tongue.gif
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when?

Cav moved because he doesn't have his sprint train lar...

with the conditions in Sky continue with wiggins and froome winning.. he will never get it...

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post Jan 4 2013, 03:08 PM

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reward... teh tarik satu + nasi lemak kosong (tambah nasi & extra sambal)


Added on January 4, 2013, 3:09 pm
QUOTE(tongyam @ Jan 4 2013, 03:07 PM)
bicycle lor
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i was sked you were gonna ask me to ride somethin else...

where to?

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