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 Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Swansea 0-0 Liverpool - Bore Draw

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post Oct 30 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Oct 30 2012, 11:03 AM)
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Lol ok i try converse in you language shamsul. Takde ape yang nak dimalukan. Kasang kadang visitors pun boleh menang kat away matches sebagai contoh la laugh.gif lepak jek.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 30 2012, 11:12 AM)
About Yesil, that is something I dont quite understand also. BR seems to be giving youngsters alot of chances but Yesil only get 1 chance? Morgan as well. As for Ngoo - niente (none).

I trust that he knows what's best for the team. Perhaps he feels Yesil, Morgan and Ngoo havent done alot yet to impress him for a start.

As for the youngsters in the game vs everton, the derby delivers a fiery kind of passion that some of the youngsters struggle. That is normal. Inexperience. I trust that they will come back stronger against Swansea.
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Yup, we'll never know but I'm sure Rodgers will give them a chance sooner rather than later. Especially with our extremely thin strike force. XD
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 30 2012, 10:40 AM)
I've only seen the first half of the Derby, but a few points stood out for me:
- Since the Norwich game, I've noticed that whenever Sahin's playing, the opposition tends to find space in the midfield. It's even more prominent during the derby where time after time he's seen jogging back to position where else a lively Allen was running around struggling to cover all areas. One have to wonder if this is the reason Mourinho decided to shun him in Madrid. To me it's just a matter of commitment and work ethics, he needs to work on it or risk getting sidelined when Lucas returns.


BR made 2 substitutions at half time bringing on Jonjo and Coates in place of Sahin and Suso. We played 3 at the back with Coates coming on to deal with the aerial threat of unibrow. Some say Everton got it right tactically but all they did was play direct football, using the Belgian as a target man. Jonjo came in to add more bodies in midfield with Raheem Sterling playing as one half of a forward two. I didn't really notice Sahin all that much to be honest so I can't comment on his work ethic. All I know is Everton continued to pummel us in the 2nd half so maybe is wasn't down to Sahin.

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 30 2012, 10:40 AM)
- As solid as Brad Jones has been so far, his weakness was on display on Sunday. He was partially liable for the first goal where his punch landed right outside of the box. More worrying though was his distribution - his tendency to hit it long, only to be collected by Everton who immediately puts us under pressure. Whilst he has been a good deputy, Pepe Reina has to play when he's fit.


I agree. He hasn't let the team down all season and there was no reason he shouldn't have kept his place in the first team given that Pepe isn't looking as solid as he once did. We have been crying out for a strong number 2 for awhile and I actually thought we found him in Doni but without googling, I can't figure out where he's gone. Jones is a great lad but I don't think he's strong enough to put pressure on Pepe as a deputy. He seems to be a decent shot stopper but like you've just said, his distribution is a little poor althought to be fair, we were pegged back for much of the match and he didn't have much to aim at.

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sorry out of topic, breaking news. but i think its important that some of us know. sorry MODs

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QUOTE(Petre @ Oct 30 2012, 11:44 AM)
sorry out of topic, breaking news. but i think its important that some of us know. sorry MODs

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Effing hell. That is breaking news.


Added on October 30, 2012, 11:52 amStevie G had this to say about Suarez's disallowed goal.

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“I asked him after the game if it was offside and he said, ‘I think so’. That’s not good enough. If every decision in this league is based on, ‘we think so’ then we’re in trouble.

http://www.punchng.com/sports/gerrard-furi...with-officials/
It isn't that I'm whining about the past because I had heard suggestions that the goal was disallowed because Coates had fauled Jagielka when he knocked the ball down for Suarez. If what Stevie says is correct however, it was ruled out for offside, and clearly, Suarez wasn't.

It may just be a matter of using the wrong choice of words, but "I think so" is hardly reassuring. Now, the referee cannot award a goal until he's absolutely certain beyond no reasonable doubt that the ball had crossed the line but what is the rule with regards to the offside rule? Can a linesman deny a goal unless he's absolutely sure the player wasn't offside, or should he allow the goal unless he's absolutely sure a player is offside? Now I get that with the pace the game is played, it isn't easy to determine for sure if someone is offside or not but surely there is some guideline.

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QUOTE(Petre @ Oct 30 2012, 11:44 AM)
sorry out of topic, breaking news. but i think its important that some of us know. sorry MODs

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It's weird. No reason was given. Just a notice only.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Oct 30 2012, 11:44 AM)
sorry out of topic, breaking news. but i think its important that some of us know. sorry MODs

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I'm sorry but what does this mean ar? I have idea. Hahaha...
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 30 2012, 11:46 AM)
Effing hell. That is breaking news.


Added on October 30, 2012, 11:52 amStevie G had this to say about Suarez's disallowed goal.
It isn't that I'm whining about the past because I had heard suggestions that the goal was disallowed because Coates had fauled Jagielka when he knocked the ball down for Suarez. If what Stevie says is correct however, it was ruled out for offside, and clearly, Suarez wasn't.

It may just be a matter of using the wrong choice of words, but "I think so" is hardly reassuring. Now, the referee cannot award a goal until he's absolutely certain beyond no reasonable doubt that the ball had crossed the line but what is the rule with regards to the offside rule? Can a linesman deny a goal unless he's absolutely sure the player wasn't offside, or should he allow the goal unless he's absolutely sure a player is offside? Now I get that with the pace the game is played, it isn't easy to determine for sure if someone is offside or not but surely there is some guideline.
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No way in the world Coates had fouled Jagielka. Both men jumped for the ball, and Coates head it down to Suarez who was clearly a foot onside. Total howler for the linesman.

Graham Poll commented "Maybe the big game got better of him". Now, I really dont understand. If this joker of a linesman cant handle big matches, then why is he selected?

As again and again, Liverpool's games are making headlines because of officials, not the highlight of the match. It would have been a lucky win, but I'll take it and hands up and say everton did well. When Suarez scores, I was thinking of Houllier's era and the 3-2 win. I said, that was it! We nick it!

But the linesman took away all that happiness. I hope he cant sleep for 1 month after this.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 30 2012, 12:46 PM)
Effing hell. That is breaking news.


Added on October 30, 2012, 11:52 amStevie G had this to say about Suarez's disallowed goal.
It isn't that I'm whining about the past because I had heard suggestions that the goal was disallowed because Coates had fauled Jagielka when he knocked the ball down for Suarez. If what Stevie says is correct however, it was ruled out for offside, and clearly, Suarez wasn't.

It may just be a matter of using the wrong choice of words, but "I think so" is hardly reassuring. Now, the referee cannot award a goal until he's absolutely certain beyond no reasonable doubt that the ball had crossed the line but what is the rule with regards to the offside rule? Can a linesman deny a goal unless he's absolutely sure the player wasn't offside, or should he allow the goal unless he's absolutely sure a player is offside? Now I get that with the pace the game is played, it isn't easy to determine for sure if someone is offside or not but surely there is some guideline.
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We too have every right to be angry. What Stevie said is right, if every dubious despising is base on (doubtful) "I think so", f*cking hell, no f*cking wonder linemen & referees has been cock-eye in favoring our oppositions
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 30 2012, 12:02 PM)
No way in the world Coates had fouled Jagielka. Both men jumped for the ball, and Coates head it down to Suarez who was clearly a foot onside. Total howler for the linesman.

Graham Poll commented "Maybe the big game got better of him". Now, I really dont understand. If this joker of a linesman cant handle big matches, then why is he selected?

As again and again, Liverpool's games are making headlines because of officials, not the highlight of the match. It would have been a lucky win, but I'll take it and hands up and say everton did well. When Suarez scores, I was thinking of Houllier's era and the 3-2 win. I said, that was it! We nick it!

But the linesman took away all that happiness. I hope he cant sleep for 1 month after this.
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I think he panics and bottles it the linesman. The linesman still didn't have his flag up when Suarez has turned away to start celebrating. You can see that Suarez is definitely not offside , the linesman is in line and in a great position. He just puts his hand up after Distin and Osman argue. I think he has bottled it. I think he panicked and bottled it. FFS!

The sort of decisions demotivates fans and players to even have a respect on the refs these days. I'd rather see refs talking fourth official, seeing the replay and decide on the situation rather than panicking and making wrong decisions.
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Here's another point of contention we should not avoid just because we are Liverpool fans. David Moyes has accused Suarez of deliberately stamping on Distain and says he deserved to be sent off.

Now, how many think he did so intentionally? We all know he has a checkered past having bitten someone before amongst his usual antics like diving. Given his past, I find it plausible but unlikely. He dives and flops around but I'm not sure he's malicious.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 30 2012, 12:56 PM)
Here's another point of contention we should not avoid just because we are Liverpool fans. David Moyes has accused Suarez of deliberately stamping on Distain and says he deserved to be sent off.

Now, how many think he did so intentionally? We all know he has a checkered past having bitten someone before amongst his usual antics like diving. Given his past, I find it plausible but unlikely. He dives and flops around but I'm not sure he's malicious.
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All aboard the Suarez hate train! I'm sorry if this sounds cynical (because it's meant to be), but Suarez is the flavour of the month. Suarez goes down (with contact) and everyone says he dives. Torres gets sent off and everyone says he didn't dive. How many similar cases have we seen with Suarez where he was publicly chastised? Sure he makes a meal of these things but to go so far as to announce in public that I need my players to be wary of Suarez's play-acting (I'm looking at you Moyes)?

Because he bit someone, Suarez is automatically Hannibal Lecter. Everytime he trips over someone he meant to stamp them. Sigh, it's getting old. During the diving debate soccernet called Suarez the poster boy for diving. I don't see anyone talking about Bale's dive now. We've just got to get used to it. Suarez is the flavour of the month, even year. I guarantee you at the end of the year during the season review diving will come up and Suarez will get mentioned again.


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I think this means you can't allocate your EPF savings to PB mutual funds any more...

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Oct 30 2012, 01:13 PM)
All aboard the Suarez hate train! I'm sorry if this sounds cynical (because it's meant to be), but Suarez is the flavour of the month. Suarez goes down (with contact) and everyone says he dives. Torres gets sent off and everyone says he didn't dive. How many similar cases have we seen with Suarez where he was publicly chastised? Sure he makes a meal of these things but to go so far as to announce in public that I need my players to be wary of Suarez's play-acting (I'm looking at you Moyes)?

Because he bit someone, Suarez is automatically Hannibal Lecter. Everytime he trips over someone he meant to stamp them. Sigh, it's getting old. During the diving debate soccernet called Suarez the poster boy for diving. I don't see anyone talking about Bale's dive now. We've just got to get used to it. Suarez is the flavour of the month, even year. I guarantee you at the end of the year during the season review diving will come up and Suarez will get mentioned again.
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Would you feel differently if it were Christiano Ronaldo ver. Man Utd in the limelight? We need to be impartial here. I mean I'd defend Suarez but a lot of it has to do with me being a Liverpool fan. I can't say I know the bloke so I can't speak up for his character. In "Being: Liverpool", they focus on the other South American, Lucas Leiva much more and because we see him off the pitch, we can hazard a guess that he isn't Ted Bundy. Suarez is supposedly a quiet bloke off the pitch but I don't know much more than that.
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thank you suarez. your goal celebration really bring laughter to me!

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 30 2012, 12:56 PM)
Here's another point of contention we should not avoid just because we are Liverpool fans. David Moyes has accused Suarez of deliberately stamping on Distain and says he deserved to be sent off.

Now, how many think he did so intentionally? We all know he has a checkered past having bitten someone before amongst his usual antics like diving. Given his past, I find it plausible but unlikely. He dives and flops around but I'm not sure he's malicious.
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It was a clear cut foul when both players were chasing for the ball, caught the foot of Distin and a yellow card offense at most. Stamping? No way! I'm not even bias here. Look at the Huth and Suarez incident. That was intentional stamping.

As usual, best way to divert the controversy of Neville's diving, is to focus on your rival's misdoing.


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I think he panics and bottles it the linesman. The linesman still didn't have his flag up when Suarez has turned away to start celebrating. You can see that Suarez is definitely not offside , the linesman is in line and in a great position. He just puts his hand up after Distin and Osman argue. I think he has bottled it. I think he panicked and bottled it. FFS!

The sort of decisions demotivates fans and players to even have a respect on the refs these days. I'd rather see refs talking fourth official, seeing the replay and decide on the situation rather than panicking and making wrong decisions.
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Big match requires big officials. If he's the inexperience type, then he shouldnt be handling this match at all. No excuses from the FA. This is clearly a big disappointment in the game of football.

People were hard on diving issues, players cheating, etc. Personally, I find it more distasteful that officials keep creating controversy with dodgy decisions. It's the talk of every season. This is more serious than diving.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 30 2012, 01:21 PM)
Would you feel differently if it were Christiano Ronaldo ver. Man Utd in the limelight? We need to be impartial here. I mean I'd defend Suarez but a lot of it has to do with me being a Liverpool fan. I can't say I know the bloke so I can't speak up for his character. In "Being: Liverpool", they focus on the other South American, Lucas Leiva much more and because we see him off the pitch, we can hazard a guess that he isn't Ted Bundy. Suarez is supposedly a quiet bloke off the pitch but I don't know much more than that.
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Honestly speaking, I'd try my best to be impartial, but I can't help that I'm going to be biased in favour of Liverpool i.e. biased against the other clubs. Based on his style of play, the one thing I've not seen him do is make a malicious or cynical tackle. He is persistent though, if he loses the ball, like a pitbull he'll trail the ball until he wins possession back.
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solstice818 , i guess you need to change the subject to Capital One Cup instead Carling Cup..

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