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 WHICH WILL BE BETTER ?, AMD A8 vs AMD FX-4100 vs Intel Core i5-3

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post Oct 29 2012, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(ryanlaw86 @ Oct 29 2012, 03:39 AM)
not everyone has the money to really get what they want you know ... do you see me recommending AMD ?? i even said save more cash and better go for i5 ... i would as well if i have the cash ...

i joined for 5 months so what ?? am i breaking any rules in this thread ??
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AMD is exactly cheaper than intel


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QUOTE(hajchin @ Oct 29 2012, 04:47 AM)
rclxms.gif ya ya
i wan play over clock  tongue.gif


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yup ~~
i need for do program gaming for multitasking  rclxms.gif
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i3 is far more than enuf for gaming or multitasking

i still dont recommend to take amd just for overclocking and i doubt 500w would be enuf for overclocking especially on an amd

i also dont recommend taking Aerocool casing, try to look for either CM K280 or CM Elite 343 Black Edition with USB3

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post Oct 29 2012, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Oct 29 2012, 05:21 AM)
some from czone, some from your price some from zhen^wei. cannot access viewnet pricelist ><
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I hope u r not refering to lowyat.net price list... That list doesnt seems to be update since early this year.
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post Oct 29 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(AssToast @ Oct 29 2012, 08:50 AM)
AMD is exactly cheaper than intel

i3 is far more than enuf for gaming or multitasking

i still dont recommend to take amd just for overclocking and i doubt 500w would be enuf for overclocking especially on an amd

i also dont recommend taking Aerocool casing, try to look for either CM K280 or CM Elite 343 Black Edition with USB3
AMD isn't exactly CHEAPER to begin with, FX 4xxx also costs nearly RM 400.

500w would be sufficient for AMD overclocking actually, my Phenom II X6 also overclocks on a 500w PSU only. smile.gif

but here's the thing, the FX 4 series is only worth if one does overclocking but that's it. If the person one day decides to upgrade, they're stuck with the lack luster FX 8 series, or they can just go for Phenom II - either way also not close to Ivy / Sandy i5 / i7 series.
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post Oct 29 2012, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Edison83 @ Oct 29 2012, 10:43 AM)
I hope u r not refering to lowyat.net price list... That list doesnt seems to be update since early this year.
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http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/priceLists
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post Oct 29 2012, 12:23 PM

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This one will blow any AMD spec away on gaming. Stock i3-3220 is compelling enough already.

Core i3-3220 - RM360
Asrock H61/MSI H61M-P31 motherboard - RM149/155
Kingston 4GB DDR3-1333 - RM54
Sapphire HD7770 1GB DDR5 - RM429
FSP Hexa 500W power supply - RM149
Casing of your choice - RM50-140

See for yourself:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming...ock,3106-5.html

Oh yeah, avoid Coolermaster Extreme power at all cost. Unless you have no choice.

FX-4100 is not true quad core as well. You want to overclock but you don't have the budget. FX series also have mediocre power consumption even at stock speed.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 29 2012, 11:03 AM)
AMD isn't exactly CHEAPER to begin with, FX 4xxx also costs nearly RM 400.

500w would be sufficient for AMD overclocking actually, my Phenom II X6 also overclocks on a 500w PSU only. smile.gif

but here's the thing, the FX 4 series is only worth if one does overclocking but that's it. If the person one day decides to upgrade, they're stuck with the lack luster FX 8 series, or they can just go for Phenom II - either way also not close to Ivy / Sandy i5 / i7 series.
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ops typo sweat.gif, wanted to meant not exactly cheaper
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post Oct 29 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(hajchin @ Oct 29 2012, 04:45 AM)
but i3 is dual core
i need 4 core for use it
Just like Core i3, the FX4100 is not a true quad core. In fact the FX4100 is more like Core i3, dual core with Hyperthreading (Intel's own SMT). AMD's version is called CMT (clustered multi-threading) for the new FX series. Naming it "quad core" is more for marketing purposes. wink.gif

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Generally, for that budget and gaming purpose, I would go for RM220+- processor. Pentium G850, for example.

Since you want to talk about clock, performance per clock goes :
Ivy Bridge / Sandy Bridge >>>>>> Llano / Piledriver >> Bulldozer

Going to practical side :
If you are going to overclock Bulldozer, you need ridiculous clock speed to achieve the stock performance of Ivy Bridge.
Due to this, Ivy Bridge is a better choice provided the price is similar.
What you earned : money from getting good cooler to handle the heat, TNB bill (high power consumption).

It is true that FX-4100 has better multithreaded performance than i3. But for that price, you can get older Phenom II x4 955, which actually performs faster than FX-4100 with changes left.

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Oct 29 2012, 02:53 PM)
Generally, for that budget and gaming purpose, I would go for RM220+- processor. Pentium G850, for example.

Since you want to talk about clock, performance per clock goes :
Ivy Bridge / Sandy Bridge >>>>>> Llano / Piledriver >> Bulldozer

Going to practical side :
If you are going to overclock Bulldozer, you need ridiculous clock speed to achieve the stock performance of Ivy Bridge.
Due to this, Ivy Bridge is a better choice provided the price is similar.
What you earned : money from getting good cooler to handle the heat, TNB bill (high power consumption).

It is true that FX-4100 has better multithreaded performance than i3. But for that price, you can get older Phenom II x4 955, which actually performs faster than FX-4100 with changes left.
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what is the last recommend for me the last CPU about 400 ?


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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 29 2012, 01:23 PM)
This one will blow any AMD spec away on gaming. Stock i3-3220 is compelling enough already.

Core i3-3220 - RM360
Asrock H61/MSI H61M-P31 motherboard - RM149/155
Kingston 4GB DDR3-1333 - RM54
Sapphire HD7770 1GB DDR5 - RM429
FSP Hexa 500W power supply - RM149
Casing of your choice - RM50-140

See for yourself:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming...ock,3106-5.html

Oh yeah, avoid Coolermaster Extreme power at all cost. Unless you have no choice.

FX-4100 is not true quad core as well. You want to overclock but you don't have the budget. FX series also have mediocre power consumption even at stock speed.
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what is the last recommend for me the last CPU about 400?
i am playing multitasking coz i need open many thing in 1 time and run in system 24 hour.....

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QUOTE(hajchin @ Oct 29 2012, 02:04 PM)
what is the last recommend for me the last CPU about 400 ?


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what is the last recommend for me the last CPU about 400?
i am playing multitasking coz i need open many thing in 1 time and run in system 24 hour.....
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i3 3220.
Don't underestimate the i3s. They are much more powerful than what you think.
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QUOTE(hajchin @ Oct 29 2012, 02:04 PM)
what is the last recommend for me the last CPU about 400 ?


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what is the last recommend for me the last CPU about 400?
i am playing multitasking coz i need open many thing in 1 time and run in system 24 hour.....
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Your budget is a problem. Overclocking setup also needs a better motherboard as well. Limited or no overclocking is allowed for budget motherboards.

What is your monitor resolution anyway?
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post Oct 29 2012, 05:46 PM

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just my opinion, current AMD, only trinity is worth to get, but since u wan to get discrete graphic card just go for intel


which exact applications(multi tasking) you want to run in 24 hours? can you list it? usually if its not too much you don't need to get AMD FX series for its multi tasking perfomance
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QUOTE(NoobHacker @ Oct 29 2012, 05:46 PM)
just my opinion, current AMD, only trinity is worth to get, but since u wan to get discrete graphic card just go for intel
which exact applications(multi tasking) you want to run in 24 hours? can you list it? usually if its not too much you don't need to get AMD FX series for its multi tasking perfomance
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Even Trinity is not worth it IMO....
If the price is too close to a Pentium G/i3+Discrete GPU... I'd take that combination instead.
Trinity is only good for very small form factor builds, where having a proper discrete GPU is out of the question.
FYI... the cheapest A85 board currently in the market costs RM419, that is the MSI A85XA-GD65.
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i think.. you should get i5 if you can spare for it and you can slowly get it (until the day come)... but if u think it hard for u to get dat much money now or in future so AMD maybe the best choice since AMD can beat intel only with price... that all smile.gif


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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 29 2012, 07:34 PM)
Even Trinity is not worth it IMO....
If the price is too close to a Pentium G/i3+Discrete GPU...  I'd take that combination instead.
Trinity is only good for very small form factor builds, where having a proper discrete GPU is out of the question.
FYI... the cheapest A85 board currently in the market costs RM419, that is the MSI A85XA-GD65.
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i just bought fm2 board ASUS F2A55M for rm2++ at viewnet last month. its for my parent build which dicrete gpu is out of question due to budget constrain. lingloong has better price on proc and fm2 board but unfortunately he has no stock for the fm2 board at that time.
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For myself opinion I nt recommend fx 4 series is ratherjust get phenom II x6. This series seem more reliable and should be satisfied ur need. And u can useleft money get better gpu. Ati 7850 oc is big improve of ati 7770.
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What os are u using? If I m nt mistaken win 7 itself will almost use ur 1gb ram so u left 3 gb ram and for multi tasking purpose I m afraid it will later occur lag problem for my self experience when open 10 over Web page system is already lag . After that I am too frusgated on the lag so I straight change to 16gb ram and all problem fix
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QUOTE(lex @ Oct 29 2012, 01:00 PM)
Just like Core i3, the FX4100 is not a true quad core. In fact the FX4100 is more like Core i3, dual core with Hyperthreading (Intel's own SMT). AMD's version is called CMT (clustered multi-threading) for the new FX series. Naming it "quad core" is more for marketing purposes. wink.gif
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Yes thats true. AMD should've used another term instead of 'cores' for Bulldozer/Piledriver.

QUOTE(hajchin @ Oct 29 2012, 01:41 AM)
AMD A8 vs AMD FX-4100 vs Intel Core i5-3470

WHICH WILL BE BETTER?
I OPEN 24 HOUR
GAMING FOR DIABLO 3 , GUILD WAR 2, MORE BIG GAME
WHICH THIS THE CHEAP AND PLAYING OVER CLOCK
THANK
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You can eliminate the A8 from your list. Consider the celerons since you're on a tight budget.
The i3 is generally better for gaming. Unless you specifically need the best performance in a few games like bf3 multiplayer which do better with cpus with more cores (even gimped ones on the fx).

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