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post Aug 11 2006, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Aug 10 2006, 12:01 AM)
try Aizen's shikai/bankai. that one needs intelligence to fight against. even if somebody is strong, that person wouldn't be able to defeat perfect hypnosis with brute force.

plus Kenpachi wasn't even in release form. where did you people get that idea from? shape of his sword? its just broken from too much use without any care. its a normal chipped sword, no release.

Kenpachi beating Tousen isn't good enough proof of level of power. it was just that Tousen's bankai couldn't really work on Kenpachi, which was his 'weakness' and lead to his loss. if Ichigo fought Tousen, i would be pretty sure he'd lose (without hollow Ichigo intefering) reason being Ichigo can't take as many hits as Kenpachi nor can he fight as though he was uninjured after taking that many hits.

for all we know, Kenpahi could easily beat Byakuya even after seeing Ichigo, who beat Kenpachi, losing to Byakuya quite badly. (no he didn't win because hollow Ichigo does not count)
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It's not he is a idiot, just the way he think is too special. Remember the time when he versus the blind captain? lol laugh.gif
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post Aug 11 2006, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Aug 10 2006, 12:01 AM)
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plus Kenpachi wasn't even in release form. where did you people get that idea from? shape of his sword? its just broken from too much use without any care. its a normal chipped sword, no release.
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What makes you think Kenpachi is even aware of his release states? Like Ichigo, his zanpakutou is always in shikai because he doesn't know how to reduce his amount of reiatsu to shape it into a normal katana. I believe Kenpachi is the same because he actually have to use the eyepatch creature to reduce his reiatsu. Also, if you noticed the shape (especially the hilt) and design of Kenpachi's katana, it's different from the normal non-release zanpakutous.

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post Aug 11 2006, 10:22 AM

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To my understanding, to even do an initial release, one has to know the name of one's sword.

In this case, Kenpachi is unable to communicate with his sword, what more know its name, hence, it is not even released. Remember, he had always relied on his own strength, and never even thought of using the power of his sword, until recently.

If you are referring to the shape of Kenpachi's sword, well, Ichigo's sealed form isn't exactly standard either.
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post Aug 11 2006, 10:42 AM

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A good point there. unlike the other one.

But he even said it himself, he cant sealed his sword even tho he wanted too, even tho he tried his best, it is because of his riatsu. And he also said, its the true form of his zanpakutou.

I dont think zaraki is stupid enough to not know what is shikai or bankai.
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post Aug 11 2006, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Iskandar Zulkarnain @ Aug 11 2006, 10:22 AM)
To my understanding, to even do an initial release, one has to know the name of one's sword.

In this case, Kenpachi is unable to communicate with his sword, what more know its name, hence, it is not even released. Remember, he had always relied on his own strength, and never even thought of using the power of his sword, until recently.

If you are referring to the shape of Kenpachi's sword, well, Ichigo's sealed form isn't exactly standard either.
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If you're referring to Ichigo's huge ass bandaged cleaver, I think that's his shikai form. He doesn't have a sealed form even the first zanpakutou (Rukia's) he held was like an oversized katana. I'm confusing myself now. rclxub.gif

QUOTE(Gxen @ Aug 11 2006, 10:42 AM)
A good point there. unlike the other one.

But he even said it himself, he cant sealed his sword even tho he wanted too, even tho he tried his best, it is because of his riatsu. And he also said, its the true form of his zanpakutou.

I dont think zaraki is stupid enough to not know what is shikai or bankai.
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I didn't say Zaraki is stupid enough to not know what are the release states, but simply state that he doesn't know (and consequently can't control) the current state of his zanpakutou.

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post Aug 11 2006, 11:53 AM

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rotfl....
he's the only captain that cant detect reatsu as well...
so dont surprise me that he is like ichigo who release his sword but didnt seal it...
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post Aug 11 2006, 01:52 PM

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1 thing I dont understand....Kenpachi's Zanpatou has been broken before by Ichigo after thier fight....so base on what I read so many times I still cant figure how the hell does Zaraki repair his sword back in his normal form vs 9th and 7th Captains division while he cant even release Shikai yet....

Other Captains,Vice-captains when their Blade broke all the need to do is just regain thier reitsu and the Blade will regain thier orginal form but Zaraki????
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post Aug 11 2006, 03:42 PM

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perhaps he isnt repairing it...he just change to a new blade

after all his soul slayer isnt in a shikai nor bankai state
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post Aug 11 2006, 04:01 PM

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maybe zaraki already regain his reiatsu unconsiously tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2006, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(gaijin_otoko @ Aug 11 2006, 03:42 PM)
perhaps he isnt repairing it...he just change to a new blade

after all his soul slayer isnt in a shikai nor bankai state
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not possible the blade he use against Ichigo is the same he uses to Fight the other 2 Captains.... tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2006, 06:18 PM

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maybe he jz recommunicate with his zanpaktou?
or maybe shinigamis use reatsu to bond back...
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post Aug 11 2006, 06:39 PM

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Zampaktuo is like a spirit, how can it be change? every shinigami has 1 spirit/zampaktuo. Its not just a blade, its a soul slayer. Auto-repiar is not a surprice.
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post Aug 11 2006, 06:43 PM

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or..or..maybe its a plot...a whole consipracy theory that was suppose to f*ck with our minds...my gawd those damn authors/scriptwriters...them good no?

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post Aug 11 2006, 07:29 PM

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i doubt that
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post Aug 13 2006, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Gxen @ Aug 10 2006, 12:22 AM)
Watch back episode 37 ~ 38.

[EDIT] Your oppinion is one of the funniest ive ever seen.

Meh, i just have to do it.
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yea. its funny because you don't understand it.

you use the anime as a reference which isn't accurate as they have change it slightly from the manga. in the manga, Kenpachi states that his sword is a normal sword. he only sees them merely as tools, not something you fight with. you use them.
plus he doesn't even communicate with his zanpakutou nor is able to use any of its abilities. Ichigo can communicate and use its abilities, thats one possible reason for him being able to shikai without knowing Zangetsu's name before his fight with Kenpachi.


and if you say that it is in release form because the hilt is different, try looking at Gin's zanpakutou. in its unreleased state, it resembles a wakizashi.
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post Aug 13 2006, 11:11 PM

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i agree with that smile.gif
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post Aug 13 2006, 11:21 PM

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Support you oppinion by putting up some pictures on that particular chapter which he said that. You mind?

I do have my doubts about his zampaktuo, some of it doesnt make sence. I believe it if there is proof.
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post Aug 14 2006, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Gxen @ Aug 13 2006, 11:21 PM)
Support you oppinion by putting up some pictures on that particular chapter which he said that. You mind?

I do have my doubts about his zampaktuo, some of it doesnt make sence. I believe it if there is proof.
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here's your proof:

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post Aug 14 2006, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Aug 14 2006, 12:27 AM)
here's your proof:

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What kind of a proof is that? its the same as Animes'.

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you use the anime as a reference which isn't accurate as they have change it slightly from the manga. in the manga, Kenpachi states that his sword is a normal sword.

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post Aug 14 2006, 09:01 AM

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There's no seal on the sword = normal sword. Not shikai nor bankai.

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