ok...then why whould the hollow itself says this to Ichigo? I'm confuse btw Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo now since All 3 are link togather my only guess is that the hollow is btw Zangetsu and Ichigo within Ichigo himself....


This post has been edited by Snake'eyes: Aug 15 2006, 05:44 PM

you might recall it if you watched the anime again. i'm quoting it right out of the anime just like you want.

sorry if no pics. can't be bothered to learn how to capture pics from the anime.


reason Ichigo always on the brink of losing is because he holds back from killing. he sort of limits himself to avoid killing his opponents, always saying "i deafeated you, its over" and shit like that.

You see, Hichigo is just saying crap to make Ichigo fell... no-spirit to fight. Okey, not all of them were crap. It is true that Hichigo is a part of Zangetsu, but Hichigo is not Zangetsu ohsan himself.

In the end Ichigo counquer Hichigo, am I right? with the guinuine tensa zangetsu.

Well now, ive already recalled it, thx to andymillenium post. But I dont think you have... prove me wrong. oh guide me to the "correct" path. Seriously...

maybe urahara and isshin r the leader of vaizards?? XD hahaha

When Hollow ichigo said "You should have known it from the very begining", he really mean that because Zangetsu had already told Ichigo how Zanpaktous are created a long time ago.

Remember? Shinigami candidates are given Katana to train. Students must learn to forge their own Zanpaktou from the given Katana. That is one of the basic requirement to be accepted as a ranked and seated Shinigami.

Creating their own Zanpaktou isn't like going to the blacksmith to borrow his anvil, but rather to learn how to communicate with their zanpaktou. Each zanpaktou is a part of the shinigami's spirit power. That is why every shinigami's zanpaktou reflects their own shinigami so well in terms of personality and even power...

Ichigo was part hollow to begin with. So the spirit power of the zanpaktou also consists of hollow ichigo while the real ichigo can also form masked ichigo.

ichigo was part hollow? izzit bcos he gain his own shinigami power after he nearly become a hollow?

Probably...

you wanted anime quoting i gave you anime qouting.

sigh. you don't even read my posts properly so whats the point. i just can't be bothered anymore.

i doubt so. but maybe thay are working with one another, since they have been hinted to know something of the vaizards' plans.

also Urahara might've based his research of the Hogyu-thingamagic on the Vaizards? who knows. anything is possible since the story on them hasn't been shown yet.

Amen halleluya peanut butter! See yourself in the mirror before saying that idiot.

Did I say I wan anime quoting? Ive told you twice, or maybe trice, I wont take your oppinion seriously without any proof! you didnt even give me that. You talked about anime? Dude, I could blast you long time ago about your previouss post ( 559 ) which luckily I didnt, you know why? Because I think farther then you, and also this is aMANGA SECTION bowzoe!

Or worst, his father married an arrancar. LOL
Just joking

Alright. Guys, time to cool down or there'll be hell to pay. And "a certain somebody" better get his arrogance down a notch. Play nice people. We're all here to have fun and enjoy Bleach. We don't need flame wars just because somebody disagrees with you. You don't win a million dollars by being right, and this sure as hell ain't a national debate championship either.


On a side note, I always viewed Hollow powers and Shinigami powers as manifestations of a person's own spiritual powers. We can shape our powers just as much as we are shaped by it. But don't take my word for it. This is my own interpretation of the manga.

actually... i would rather enjoy listening 2 ppl debating regarding on the facts in Bleach manga... cos it'll involve lots of discussion 2 fulfill our curiosity...
after all... most mangas dun leave full explanation to the plot which makes us very curious...

more debate = more knowledge on the manga... lol...

I don't mind the debates, but debating doesn't mean you can't play nice. We're all one happy family here, and I'd like for us to stay that way.

The most sinfull sin's... pride. Even war started between Iraq and Hisbullah because of that, let along a simple debate became a nasty one.

An apology to this thread.

maybe isshin is the vaizard's head and urahara did research about isshin and vaizard things then both of them get kicked out from soul society XD bcos they too busybody XD (just my own stupid jokes)

eh if the soul society ppl so afraid of aizen shouldnt they find uruhara n allow him back to soul society?
he should be the 1 that knows most about everything and he is a really strong guy...

wonder how strong is uruhara?

i doubt that'll happen. this problem began with Urahara himself. he created the "transformer", remember? he started all of this, in a way.

Remember how Ichigo gained his own 'shinigami power'? The mask itself was a clue that he almost turned into a hollow. It's a similar (doesn't mean exactly the same) process how the vaizards got their power. The vaizards themselves were actually ex-shinigami (forgot which chapter, cari sendiri).

Back to Ichigo, the 'hichigo' and Zangetsu both existed as result of his process in gaining the power.

p/s: hichigo does not have the hole like hollow, didn't he?

When ichigo was fighting with hichigo in the "mind" world, and when 1/2 hichigo was in the real world, didnt he transform into somekind of monster? Wasnt there any hole? I cant remember correctly myself, I was just saying so that anyone could check it. It should be somewhere chap 224 below. I just reformated my pc, so...