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 Primitive Fish V2, Fish that survived Milleniums

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post Oct 16 2012, 05:13 PM, updated 12y ago

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Yes! Our Version 1 survived and evolved into V2 rclxms.gif

Version 1 by Ben Sow

Types of Primitive Freshwater fish
I followed this list from Monster Fish Keepers Website but the care list will be from various sources from the internet..
-Arowana(Discussion of this species will be held at Arowana forum not here.)
-Gars
-Knifefish
-Lungfish
-Polypterus(Bichirs and Ropefish)
-Arapaima Gigas(Not included in MFK)

Let's do a quick revision.
All credits are in V1, so do refer back.
All information are sorted by Ben. Thank you, Ben. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by genielee_83: Oct 16 2012, 05:33 PM
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post Oct 16 2012, 05:24 PM

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Gars

For this thread I will only show gars that are suitable for the normal aquaria.

Genus Atractosteus
Atractosteus tropicus—Tropical Gar- Maximum Size of 1.5M but reportedly smaller in aquaria
Very rare


Genus Lepisosteus
Lepisosteus oculatus—Spotted Gar- Mazimum size of 3ft
Long snout and spots. Spots to a higher degree towards the posterior of its body. Easily mistaken for Florida spotted gar.
Lepisosteus platostomus—Shortnose Gar
The shortnosed gar can be identified by its short snout, and by the lack of teeth rows in the upper jaw like the alligator gar, and the lack of spots on its body.
Lepisosteus platyrhincus—Florida Gar- Mazimum size of 3ft but reports say world record is at 132cm
A highly varied species of gar. Has more spots on its body and a shorter snout than many other gars. Easily mistaken for spotted gar.

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Florida Gar

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post Oct 16 2012, 05:28 PM

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Knifefish



Chitala Chitala: Rare and endangered...not likely to be readily available to the hobby, yet the scientific name is also used to describe the Clown Knife
Chitala Blanci: Also known as the Royal Knife
Chitala Lopis: Also known as the Giant Knife or Giant Mekong Knife
Notopterus Notopterus: Also known as the Asian Featherfin, Asian Black Knife, or Bronze Knife

user posted image Royal Knife user posted image Chitala Lopis
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post Oct 16 2012, 05:32 PM

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Lungfish

African Lungfish
There are 4 different species of African lungfish however the most common species to be found in the aquarium trade is
Protopterus annectens-Most common
Protopterus aethiopicus
Protopterus amphibius
Protopterus dolloi

user posted image Protopterus annectens

African lungfishes are easy to keep if you can dedicate a large aquarium to specimens since they accept a broad range of water values. They should preferable be kept in neutral to slightly acidic water.They eat anything that is offered to them including dry food. (You might have to train them before they accept dry food.) If a food source is too large to fit in their mouth they eat pieces out of it, this includes other larger living fishes. So don't assume that a fish is safe with your African lungfish just because it is too big to fit in its mouth.

user posted image South American Lungfish-Lepidosiren paradoxa.

The South American lungfish grows to be 1.2 m / 4 feet. South American lungfish can be kept in aquarium in the same way as other lungfishes.

They require a large aquarium which shouldn't house any other fishes due to their predatory and aggressive nature. The water should be neutral to slightly acidic. They accept any meaty food and you might be able to get them to accept dry food. Be sure to feed a diverse diet containing fish, crayfish, shrimp, and earth worms

There are no known successful breeding of South American lungfish in aquarium. They spawn during the rainy season and the male builds a nest in which the eggs are deposited. The male then guard the eggs and the young against other predators, egg eaters etc. The fry spend their first 6-8 weeks hanging from vegetation using adhesive glands. These glands are not present in older fishes.

user posted image Australian Lungfish-Neoceratodus forsteri

They have very small eyes and a long thick body which is covered in large scales. They are usually olive-green to brown with dark spots on the sides. The species is CITES protected but there are licensed breeders from which they can be bought. They grow upto 5ft/1.5m and weigh over 40kg. The Australian lungfish has unlike other lungfish only one lung.

Australian lungfish should when kept in aquarium be kept alone in a large aquarium with a neutral to slightly acidic water. They will eat anything meaty and their natural diet consists of frogs, tadpoles, small fishes, snails, shrimp and also vegetable parts. They detect prey by using their sense of smell and detecting electrical impulses.There are no reports of successful breedings in aquariums. They spawn during the night and it takes the fry 3 weeks to hatch. The fry grows slowly.

There also exist a few albino specimens of this fish. Those are however very rare and extremely expensive.
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post Oct 16 2012, 07:54 PM

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Congrats for the V2 thread rclxms.gif

Update of my tank, now with a Super Hiback Arowana biggrin.gif

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Current tank members :

1. Aragorn the Arowana (about 11")
2. Frankenstein I the Polypterus Endlicheri Endlicheri (12" or more)
3. Frankenstein II the Polypterus Endlicheri Endlicheri (13" or more) This guy really grows fast! sweat.gif
4. Fly The Flyriver Turtle (head to tail about 12")
5. Survivor, the Climbing Perch / Anabas Testudineus (about 4")
6. A normal white carp that somehow escapes the Frankenstein pair till now!

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post Oct 16 2012, 09:41 PM

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Congrats!!! rclxms.gif

should add in a post telling where we can get primitive fish specimens and from which reputable local LFS.
Also what type of primitve fish specimens we can find there.
easier to keep track on where to buy them when some of us got an empty tank to fill in biggrin.gif

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post Oct 16 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Oct 16 2012, 09:41 PM)
Congrats!!!  rclxms.gif

should add in a post telling where we can get primitive fish specimens and from which reputable local LFS.
Also what type of primitve fish specimens we can find there.
easier to keep track on where to buy them when some of us got an empty tank to fill in  biggrin.gif

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I got mine from a seller (KL), we did cod.
SO far it's happy deal. Got my first PEE, royal knife from icon_rolleyes.gif HIM

Add him and you'll start of just fine. rclxm9.gif
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post Oct 16 2012, 10:52 PM

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Woohoooo V2 !! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Ok ill list the LFS in sg buloh nursery road.

1st LFS (Dunno address/lot, please update tq)

-Alligator gar
-Royal knife fish
-Sturgeon
-Paddlefish
-Largemouth Bass
-Oscars
-Pacu
-Giant gourami (Kaloi)
-RTC

2nd LFS (Lot 62)

-Spotted gar
-Flagtail
-Blue/Green Kelah
-Oscars
-Pacu
-Giant gourami (Kaloi)
-RTC
-Channa Bleheri & other Channa's tongue.gif


P.S: Whoever can list out all of the fishes in Aquatics International I salute! brows.gif
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post Oct 16 2012, 11:06 PM

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dono if this is the right place to post my collection tongue.gif


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post Oct 17 2012, 03:30 PM

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V2 Come on!! smile.gif
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post Oct 17 2012, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(RCrex @ Oct 16 2012, 11:06 PM)
dono if this is the right place to post my collection tongue.gif
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Ive been wondering, how come some endlicheri got pale almost like albino, and some very dark?

Also, how to tell the difference between endlicheri endlicheri and endlicheri congicus?

BTW look at this amazing pic smile.gif

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post Oct 17 2012, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Oct 17 2012, 04:45 PM)
Ive been wondering, how come some endlicheri got pale almost like albino, and some very dark?

Also, how to tell the difference between endlicheri endlicheri and endlicheri congicus?

BTW look at this amazing pic smile.gif

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thanx, i'm not sure bout the difference, the white one used to hav darker stripes which my friend said this species do hav camouflage effect
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post Oct 18 2012, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(RCrex @ Oct 17 2012, 09:26 PM)
thanx, i'm not sure bout the difference, the white one used to hav darker stripes which my friend said this species do hav camouflage effect
Maybe true. Cuz mine also getting darker now. See how different they are before :

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post Oct 18 2012, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Oct 17 2012, 03:45 PM)

Also, how to tell the difference between endlicheri endlicheri and endlicheri congicus?

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as far as i know all the congicus is WC (wild caught).
Congicus is more bigger than endlicheri..the stripe also different..

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post Oct 18 2012, 08:30 PM

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Cool Ansorgii from Arare Fish

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post Oct 18 2012, 08:49 PM

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to tell the truth 1 of my endlicheri(or endlicheri congicus) died -.-, ive no idea how, maybe ate too much "drain" fishes without control diet zzz
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QUOTE(RCrex @ Oct 18 2012, 08:49 PM)
to tell the truth 1 of my endlicheri(or endlicheri congicus) died -.-, ive no idea how, maybe ate too much "drain" fishes without control diet zzz
My Frankenstein pair (2 endlicheris) can finish 30 feeder goldfishes in few hours! sweat.gif

I wish my bichirs can get this fat :

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post Oct 18 2012, 09:32 PM

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looks fat zzz, cute
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post Oct 18 2012, 11:22 PM

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Hey just wondering, can a fish die of over feeding?

Coz my channa bleheri kinda gulped quite a big feeder fish for its own size, looks like its stomach gonna explode. icon_question.gif
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Update of My Fish biggrin.gif

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