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Wizard Discussion v2, Come, all ye arcanists
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peinsama
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Apr 10 2013, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 10 2013, 11:13 AM) Thanks for the info. I think it is not just the ticks of wicked wind. The attack speed affects the freeze too. Attack speed affect freeze? o.O From what i know more aspd provides more ticks hence higher chance CM will be proc but you mentioned freeze. explain broseph! QUOTE(Gecko @ Apr 10 2013, 11:45 AM) Just out of curiosity .. what if i were to replace Wicked Wind with Blizzard-Unrelenting Storm (8 sec DoT as compared to WW's 6 sec DoT) .. would it generate/proc enough ApoC/LoH for me to spam other skills? The reason i'm asking, i noticed some builds using Blizzard as opposed to Energy Twister as main attack ... eg Avoid No. The reason why we use Wicked wind because as the aspd goes up, so does its chance to proc critical strike per hit hence proc CM as well. Blizzard Unrelenting Storm is only useful to slow down enemies and at the same time to be used to cool down players in Arreat Crater level 2 as the heat builds up
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Gecko
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Apr 10 2013, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(peinsama @ Apr 10 2013, 12:14 PM) Attack speed affect freeze? o.O From what i know more aspd provides more ticks hence higher chance CM will be proc but you mentioned freeze. explain broseph! No. The reason why we use Wicked wind because as the aspd goes up, so does its chance to proc critical strike per hit hence proc CM as well. Blizzard Unrelenting Storm is only useful to slow down enemies and at the same time to be used to cool down players in Arreat Crater level 2 as the heat builds up so u mean Blizzard wont crit and proc CM/LoH?? weird  bcos if i remember correctly last patch Blizz did a hotfix to make sure Blizzard do crit @ perhaps Blizzard tick is less than WW (not directly influenced by aspd)?
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peinsama
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Apr 10 2013, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Apr 10 2013, 12:26 PM) so u mean Blizzard wont crit and proc CM/LoH?? weird  bcos if i remember correctly last patch Blizz did a hotfix to make sure Blizzard do crit @ perhaps Blizzard tick is less than WW (not directly influenced by aspd)? That's for Arcane Power on Crit, broski.... if you wanna trigger proc CM through blizzard while perma freeze enemies......lol i dont think its doable though
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ALeUNe
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Apr 10 2013, 12:53 PM
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I'm the purebred with aristocratic pedigree
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QUOTE(peinsama @ Apr 10 2013, 12:14 PM) Attack speed affect freeze? o.O From what i know more aspd provides more ticks hence higher chance CM will be proc but you mentioned freeze. Yes, it seems it does affect freeze. As moba mentioned, you can perma-freeze with 3.01 attack speed. My personal test, at 3.10 attack speed, I could perma freeze snakes at A2 (perma freeze = not moving at all). There was drop of attack speed when I changed my rings to hellring (without IAS%) + Leoric's signet to gain exp points. The snakes at A2 did move intermittently when my attack speed dropped (they moved for 0.5 sec, not perma-freeze for me). P/S I remember moba's whopping 3.4 attack speed. This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 10 2013, 12:59 PM
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Davy123
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Apr 10 2013, 01:06 PM
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More aspd = more ww castings per second = more proc rate of CM per second = faster cool down of frost nova = better near-perma freezing capabilities. Aspd does not affect freeze duration, it indirectly reduces cooldowns for ur frost nova. But if your fingers arent pressing the buttons correctly, u will never be able to freeze well nevertheless even with high aspd. This 1.08 patch is a crazy buff to archons..damn its so interesting. With archons receiving extend timer even with teammate kills is a dream come true. Not to mention the increase mob density in all acts. There will be new farming routes, new party character arrangements and economy affected. When is live version coming out?
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MOBAJOBG
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Apr 10 2013, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Apr 10 2013, 01:06 PM) More aspd = more ww castings per second = more proc rate of CM per second = faster cool down of frost nova = better near-perma freezing capabilities. Aspd does not affect freeze duration, it indirectly reduces cooldowns for ur frost nova. But if your fingers arent pressing the buttons correctly, u will never be able to freeze well nevertheless even with high aspd. This 1.08 patch is a crazy buff to archons..damn its so interesting. With archons receiving extend timer even with teammate kills is a dream come true. Not to mention the increase mob density in all acts. There will be new farming routes, new party character arrangements and economy affected. When is live version coming out?  ...agreed with your explanation. ALeUNe If my fingers are in top form with the quickness of 3.4aps and 66cc, both ZK + SB are perma-freeze that means frozen solid like statue with no movement at all from them until ZK is dead after wind-up. [Edited] added crucial info in blue letters. This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Apr 10 2013, 01:23 PM
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yuhhaur
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Apr 10 2013, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Apr 10 2013, 01:06 PM) More aspd = more ww castings per second = more proc rate of CM per second = faster cool down of frost nova = better near-perma freezing capabilities. Aspd does not affect freeze duration, it indirectly reduces cooldowns for ur frost nova. But if your fingers arent pressing the buttons correctly, u will never be able to freeze well nevertheless even with high aspd. This 1.08 patch is a crazy buff to archons..damn its so interesting. With archons receiving extend timer even with teammate kills is a dream come true. Not to mention the increase mob density in all acts. There will be new farming routes, new party character arrangements and economy affected. When is live version coming out?  Jom lets Archon MP10!
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MOBAJOBG
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Apr 10 2013, 01:36 PM
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I'll play Archon MP10 in PTR since hp of monster has been reduced.
This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Apr 10 2013, 01:36 PM
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Davy123
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Apr 10 2013, 02:33 PM
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Empat Raksasa Ungu? Hahahah..yeah hoping to see it. I'll try to get into game as much as possible in 1.08 despite being busy with uni life lately.
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SUS2890
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Apr 10 2013, 02:33 PM
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So how? I'm still confuse la.
Chantodo wand damn ugly. Cannot EF + chant OH? Slorak?
This post has been edited by 2890: Apr 10 2013, 02:34 PM
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metalfreak
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Apr 10 2013, 03:08 PM
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bro @2890 Depends. Are you playing CM style? I still feel Chantodo Wand and Chantodo OH is good. EF is still okay but you benefit from the set weapon item bonus  . IF your source and helm has APOC, I guess EF will work too. As for 10 apoc, I think that is not enough. need at least from two sources. (Helm, Wand, or OH) This post has been edited by metalfreak: Apr 10 2013, 03:10 PM
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metalfreak
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Apr 10 2013, 03:11 PM
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how do you guys tag username o.O
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SUS2890
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Apr 10 2013, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 10 2013, 03:08 PM) bro @2890 Depends. Are you playing CM style? I still feel Chantodo Wand and Chantodo OH is good. EF is still okay but you benefit from the set weapon item bonus  . IF your source and helm has APOC, I guess EF will work too. As for 10 apoc, I think that is not enough. need at least from two sources. (Helm, Wand, or OH) Thanks! I bought Slorak. EF with AS also very expensive. OS ones no need say la. Chantodo with AS also expensive
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yuhhaur
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Apr 10 2013, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 10 2013, 03:11 PM) how do you guys tag username o.O CODE [@metalfreak]
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metalfreak
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Apr 10 2013, 03:35 PM
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oh...need the box bracket. Thanks
Test yuhhaur
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yuhhaur
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Apr 10 2013, 03:36 PM
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BTW do we need 4-piece tal?
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metalfreak
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Apr 10 2013, 03:41 PM
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So far I rojak. Used 2 pieces so far  Helm for Crit and bonus fire dmg from amulet (my chant wand does fire).
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SUS2890
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Apr 10 2013, 03:52 PM
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122-218 9 AS 9.5 CC 13 Arcane Power 10 APOC 189 INT
10m. Worth buying?
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MOBAJOBG
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Apr 10 2013, 03:53 PM
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Apprentice wizard can make use of Slorak for training to become familiar with the cmFreeze build ...just get the specimen that does "Increases Critical Hit Chance of Energy Twister by 8%".
This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Apr 10 2013, 03:57 PM
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fe3doe
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Apr 10 2013, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Apr 10 2013, 03:53 PM) Apprentice wizard can use Slorak for training to become familiar with the cmFreeze build. mobajobg i saw u keep on freezing the mobs when we were partying. I tried with my noob wiz but the freeze CD kinda long for me to spam another freeze.
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