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ALeUNe
post Dec 14 2012, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 10:10 AM)
^^I've a monk that is passable for mp10.
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Yes, we need to test MP10 uber.
Tonight? Any other monks wanna join?


Added on December 14, 2012, 10:17 am
QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 10:14 AM)
I've managed to build a tanker DH that doesn't need to kite at all, ...just throw Grenade -SG, perma-Gloom & fire Cluster Arrow -LfB once per/sec flanked by 2 Sentry -GT turrets.
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In that case, your DH can dish out a lot more damage.

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post Dec 14 2012, 10:43 AM

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It is possible to calculate the estimated damage with Cyclone and all. May be I will do it when I am free.

But for now, is it possible for a Monk with 200k DPS to deal 900k damage? Yes.

My monk (with some defense added) has 97k DPS when I am taking down Seightbreaker MP10.

Seightbreaker MP10 has 138,425,408HP.

Took me 3 minutes 27 seconds.

In average, I am dealing 668721 DPS ~ 668k DPS. So, a monk with double my inventory DPS? 900k? Hell ya.

Although I never play DH, I believe our spirit generation are a lot better (right? right?), Monk can spam Mantra every 3 seconds, and still able to use tons of skill.

But the best feature of a monk is monk ability hit multiple targets, so, Seightbreaker (or any single boss) may not tell the whole picture. Sweeping winds hits ALL targets surround you, all the time. The more targets there is, the better our overall DPS.

Monk > all classes in D3.

Muahahahaha!
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 14 2012, 01:24 AM)
thanks, needed that info. now into SOJ , so always searching for some new one, either FOT/SW/TR/Wave of light... so yeah testing out different forms of play to see which give the most dmg output
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as per your question, Cow nailed it. The elemental dmg will add up to your char DPS.

But it work better on black damage weapon, like Skorn because of the higher min max damage.


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post Dec 14 2012, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 14 2012, 11:43 AM)

Monk > all classes in D3.

Muahahahaha!
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post Dec 14 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 14 2012, 10:43 AM)
It is possible to calculate the estimated damage with Cyclone and all. May be I will do it when I am free.

But for now, is it possible for a Monk with 200k DPS to deal 900k damage? Yes.

My monk (with some defense added) has 97k DPS when I am taking down Seightbreaker MP10.

Seightbreaker MP10 has 138,425,408HP.

Took me 3 minutes 27 seconds.

In average, I am dealing 668721 DPS ~ 668k DPS. So, a monk with double my inventory DPS? 900k? Hell ya.

Although I never play DH, I believe our spirit generation are a lot better (right? right?), Monk can spam Mantra every 3 seconds, and still able to use tons of skill.

But the best feature of a monk is monk ability hit multiple targets, so, Seightbreaker (or any single boss) may not tell the whole picture. Sweeping winds hits ALL targets surround you, all the time. The more targets there is, the better our overall DPS.

Monk > all classes in D3.

Muahahahaha!
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Confirm, yes! as far as DH is concerned however still lose to barb's (via usage of mighty weapon) fury generation efficiency but most of the monk's awesome skills are being restraint by cooldown.

This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Dec 14 2012, 11:12 AM
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post Dec 14 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 14 2012, 10:15 AM)
Yes, we need to test MP10 uber.
Tonight? Any other monks wanna join?
i ma interested to join... is my monk qualify?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KitDee-1948/hero/5923257
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post Dec 14 2012, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(kkng77 @ Dec 14 2012, 11:08 AM)
i ma interested to join... is my monk qualify?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KitDee-1948/hero/5923257
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post Dec 14 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(kkng77 @ Dec 14 2012, 11:08 AM)
i ma interested to join... is my monk qualify?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KitDee-1948/hero/5923257
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Is Breath of Heaven -Blazing Wrath better than Blinding Flash -Faith in the Light? ...since you're not using it.
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post Dec 14 2012, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 11:16 AM)
Is Breath of Heaven -Blazing Wrath better than Blinding Flash -Faith in the Light? ...since you're not using it.
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Breath of Heaven is my defensive skill & heal members nearby and boost slight of my dps, Blinding will boost more dps but only 3 sec... lazy to keep casting, just cast moc will do...
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 14 2012, 11:15 AM)
Yes, we need to test MP10 uber.
Tonight? Any other monks wanna join?
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Meee... Mee.... Start wut time.. All monk pt?
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post Dec 14 2012, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 14 2012, 10:43 AM)
It is possible to calculate the estimated damage with Cyclone and all. May be I will do it when I am free.

But for now, is it possible for a Monk with 200k DPS to deal 900k damage? Yes.

My monk (with some defense added) has 97k DPS when I am taking down Seightbreaker MP10.

Seightbreaker MP10 has 138,425,408HP.

Took me 3 minutes 27 seconds.

In average, I am dealing 668721 DPS ~ 668k DPS. So, a monk with double my inventory DPS? 900k? Hell ya.

Although I never play DH, I believe our spirit generation are a lot better (right? right?), Monk can spam Mantra every 3 seconds, and still able to use tons of skill.

But the best feature of a monk is monk ability hit multiple targets, so, Seightbreaker (or any single boss) may not tell the whole picture. Sweeping winds hits ALL targets surround you, all the time. The more targets there is, the better our overall DPS.

Monk > all classes in D3.

Muahahahaha!
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Yes..there is a thread in monk forum at battlenet calculating true DPS. Cant find it now..but its easy to do.

1. Dismiss follower, since follower adds dps
2. Take Azmo as benchmark (MP6 is great as Azmo life is about 36Mil)
3. Time the total time to kill azmo.
4. Calculate 36M/time = True DPS.

From what I gather from the thread, monks output is usually 7.5X of the paper DPS, with WKL its about 9x.
Hence, a 200k monk can easily deal more than 1M damage per sec.

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 14 2012, 11:38 AM)
Yes..there is a thread in monk forum at battlenet calculating true DPS. Cant find it now..but its easy to do.

1. Dismiss follower, since follower adds dps
2. Take Azmo as benchmark (MP6 is great as Azmo life is about 36Mil)
3. Time the total time to kill azmo.
4. Calculate 36M/time = True DPS.

From what I gather from the thread, monks output is usually 7.5X of the paper DPS, with WKL its about 9x.
Hence, a 200k monk can easily deal more than 1M damage per sec.
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If this is the case, I think can remove Serenity -Ascension and replaced by Seven-Sided Strike -Fulminating Onslaught for more dps! otherwise, the lwyt gungho monk (Jedi Masters) are mp10 exponents.

This post has been edited by MOBAJOBG: Dec 14 2012, 12:03 PM
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post Dec 14 2012, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 14 2012, 11:59 AM)
If this is the case, I think can remove Serenity -Ascension and replaced by Seven-Sided Strike -Fulminating Onslaught for more dps! otherwise, the lwyt gungho monk (Jedi Masters) are mp10 exponents.
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If your life sustain is enough..dump serenity. smile.gif

The point of this..is to calculate the amount of true DPS a monk can dish out thats all. This is on the assumption of your normal toon skills and not for bragging rights.smile.gif
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Thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate it.
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post Dec 14 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(kkng77 @ Dec 14 2012, 11:08 AM)
i ma interested to join... is my monk qualify?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KitDee-1948/hero/5923257
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QUOTE(samuraislash @ Dec 14 2012, 11:33 AM)
Meee... Mee....  Start wut time.. All monk pt?
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Yeah, all monk party.
Just to test out if monks stand out (as claimed).

Do you qualify?
I'd like to give everyone the benefit of doubt.
I assume everyone will play his/her part in doing MP10 uber.
(Kill the uber in 8min. Facetank Ghom. Who will tank SB? etc etc tongue.gif )

I'll add you guys later.
Probably start the game after 9pm.

So, moba, are you joining?

P/S By the way, each player contributes 1 IM. Get your IM ready.


Added on December 14, 2012, 1:14 pm
QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 14 2012, 11:38 AM)
Yes..there is a thread in monk forum at battlenet calculating true DPS. Cant find it now..but its easy to do.

1. Dismiss follower, since follower adds dps
2. Take Azmo as benchmark (MP6 is great as Azmo life is about 36Mil)
3. Time the total time to kill azmo.
4. Calculate 36M/time = True DPS.

From what I gather from the thread, monks output is usually 7.5X of the paper DPS, with WKL its about 9x.
Hence, a 200k monk can easily deal more than 1M damage per sec.
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If this is the case, I think all heroes can do more than paper DPS.

For my build and experience, my monk is not really killing faster than other class heroes.

Anyway, we will try to run uber MP10 and see if we monk can kill faster than other class of heroes.
For barb and wiz, the average record I have is 16-20minutes to complete all 3 uber portals.
Hope we can beat that with our MoC.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Dec 14 2012, 01:22 PM
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post Dec 14 2012, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 14 2012, 01:10 PM)
Yeah, all monk party.
Just to test out if monks stand out (as claimed). 

Do you qualify?
I'd like to give everyone the benefit of doubt.
I assume everyone will play his/her part in doing MP10 uber.
(Kill the uber in 8min. Facetank Ghom. Who will tank SB? etc etc tongue.gif )

I'll add you guys later.
Probably start the game after 9pm.

So, moba, are you joining?

P/S By the way, each player contributes 1 IM. Get your IM ready.


Added on December 14, 2012, 1:14 pm
If this is the case, I think all heroes can do more than paper DPS.

For my build and experience, my monk is not really killing faster than other class heroes.

Anyway, we will try to run uber MP10 and see if we monk can kill faster than other class of heroes.
For barb and wiz, the average record I have is 16-20minutes to complete all 3 uber portals.
Hope we can beat that with our MoC.
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Actually no..I think only monks with SW build has a lot of hidden DPS.

The 45% from SW and damage/crits from cyclone is not refelcted in paper DPS.So too are the buffs from BoH/BL/Combo strike and MC Overraw. Therefore, on paper Monks looks weak but in game...FUUUUUUUUUU...1v1 its just insane. We should do a benchmark for all classes, DH/Barb/WD/Wizzy on MP10 and see who can kill fastest..


hence the rumours that during PvP..monks going to be nerfed....
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 14 2012, 01:31 PM)
Actually no..I think only monks with SW build has a lot of hidden DPS.

The 45% from SW and damage/crits from cyclone is not refelcted in paper DPS.So too are the buffs from BoH/BL/Combo strike and MC Overraw. Therefore, on paper Monks looks weak but in game...FUUUUUUUUUU...1v1 its just insane. We should do a benchmark for all classes, DH/Barb/WD/Wizzy on MP10 and see who can kill fastest..
hence the rumours that during PvP..monks going to be nerfed....
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I think you refer to combination of skills that deliver the damage simultaneously.

Yes, other class of heroes have that too.
i.e.
Barb's tornado + WW + battle rage + overpower + WoTB
Wiz's Frost Nova + explosion blast + twisters/meteor
DH's Bola + spike trap + death mark + sentry
WD's RoT + acid rain + zombie dogs + gargantuan + corpse spiders

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 14 2012, 01:31 PM)
Actually no..I think only monks with SW build has a lot of hidden DPS.

The 45% from SW and damage/crits from cyclone is not refelcted in paper DPS.So too are the buffs from BoH/BL/Combo strike and MC Overraw. Therefore, on paper Monks looks weak but in game...FUUUUUUUUUU...1v1 its just insane. We should do a benchmark for all classes, DH/Barb/WD/Wizzy on MP10 and see who can kill fastest..
hence the rumours that during PvP..monks going to be nerfed....
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i did azmodan MP10 in 88-90 seconds.
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post Dec 14 2012, 01:57 PM

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post Dec 14 2012, 02:01 PM

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^^Wow! so advance ka!? ...need to copy and paste their skill style! (still 40 posts left b4 new thread)

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